The Pac-12's media rights negotiations are "not going very well," CBS Sports' Barrett Sallee told FOS.

DentonStang · July 1, 2023

The poor communication from the PAC on expansion: ceding the narrative to their enemies (Big12) and then finally responding with vague and deadlines that didn't exist creating expectations unnecessarily is bad enough, but the SDSU thing is beyond bizarre. How can this level of PR dysfunction exist in California, the home of vapid and endless PR?

NT80 · July 1, 2023

2 hours ago, DentonStang said:

The poor communication from the PAC on expansion: ceding the narrative to their enemies (Big12) and then finally responding with vague and deadlines that didn't exist creating expectations unnecessarily is bad enough, but the SDSU thing is beyond bizarre. How can this level of PR dysfunction exist in California, the home of vapid and endless PR?

You really want this PAC dysfunction to be your new home? I understand the perceived promotion to "P5". But the label is getting watered down by the year as more move-ups happen and more access to the CFP, eventually it will become P2 and G8.

DentonStang · July 2, 2023

3 hours ago, NT80 said:

You really want this PAC dysfunction to be your new home? I understand the perceived promotion to "P5". But the label is getting watered down by the year as more move-ups happen and more access to the CFP, eventually it will become P2 and G8.

Yes. It's still 8 figures of additional media income every year, it still comes with much more visibility in the media, better opponents that people have heard of and have credibility, this easier recruiting and better attendance, and associates SMU with some premier national universities. There are almost no downsides, despite having to deal with California idiots and dysfunction.

Plus, think about Cal fans showing up at SMU and realizing the Bush II presidential library is there! Perfect.

wardly · July 4, 2023

So it appears that SDSU jumped the gun and may be a ship without a port. Would the BIG 12 consider them and if so who would they pair the Aztecs' with for admittance ?

NT80 · July 4, 2023

1 hour ago, wardly said:

So it appears that SDSU jumped the gun and may be a ship without a port. Would the BIG 12 consider them and if so who would they pair the Aztecs' with for admittance ?

Colorado is rumored to be seriously considering it. The Big 12 would rather have PAC12 schools than another moveup in SDSU. Anything that weakens the PAC12 elevates the Big12.

meanrob · July 5, 2023

On 7/1/2023 at 5:57 PM, DentonStang said:

Yes. It's still 8 figures of additional media income every year, it still comes with much more visibility in the media, better opponents that people have heard of and have credibility, this easier recruiting and better attendance, and associates SMU with some premier national universities. There are almost no downsides, despite having to deal with California idiots and dysfunction.

Plus, think about Cal fans showing up at SMU and realizing the Bush II presidential library is there! Perfect.

You think Cal fans travel?

UNTLifer · July 5, 2023

4 hours ago, wardly said:

So it appears that SDSU jumped the gun and may be a ship without a port. Would the BIG 12 consider them and if so who would they pair the Aztecs' with for admittance ?

No

DentonStang · July 5, 2023

55 minutes ago, meanrob said:

You think Cal fans travel?

What do you mean travel? They've all moved to Frisco from what I can tell

ntmeangreen11 · July 5, 2023

52 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

What do you mean travel? They've all moved to Frisco from what I can tell

You guys may very well buy yourself in to the PAC but I took particular joy in seeing twitter posts from the Highland Park Hand Humpers loyal who actually believe you will stop playing in front of 15k crowds if the opponent is Cal and not East Carolina. I'm aware our attendance sucks for student body size, fair, but I'm not delusional enough to think switching to the PAC would change that.

Green Otaku · July 5, 2023

7 hours ago, wardly said:

So it appears that SDSU jumped the gun and may be a ship without a port. Would the BIG 12 consider them and if so who would they pair the Aztecs' with for admittance ?

The Big12 is not going to vote in a team that would lower their payout, and I don't think the networks are willing to take SDSU at a full share so no, I don't see it happening.

Wag Tag · July 5, 2023

17 hours ago, NT80 said:

Colorado is rumored to be seriously considering it. The Big 12 would rather have PAC12 schools than another moveup in SDSU. Anything that weakens the PAC12 elevates the Big12.

Only item that makes CU relevant is Dion. How long will that last?

DentonStang · July 5, 2023

19 hours ago, NT80 said:

Colorado is rumored to be seriously considering it. The Big 12 would rather have PAC12 schools than another moveup in SDSU. Anything that weakens the PAC12 elevates the Big12.

This whole Colorado thing is so silly. It's not happening for many reasons. Most of all logic.

Big12 Mouthpieces:

PAC is so worthless their deal will be less than Big12

Also Big12 Mouthpieces:

But we are going to add one of their worst, lowest value programs, Colorado, and it'll get us more money.

Those two things are direct contradictions

cousin oliver · July 5, 2023

2 hours ago, Wag Tag said:

Only item that makes CU relevant is Dion. How long will that last?

So true - he will bail at the next best offer. Perhaps gunning for Fla St?

NT80 · July 5, 2023

51 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

This whole Colorado thing is so silly. It's not happening for many reasons. Most of all logic.

Big12 Mouthpieces:

PAC is so worthless their deal will be less than Big12

Also Big12 Mouthpieces:

But we are going to add one of their worst, lowest value programs, Colorado, and it'll get us more money.

Those two things are direct contradictions

The Big12, Pac12, and ACC are roughly on the same level now, but the Pac12 is on a slippery slope.

If the Big12 can purge from the Pac12, it wounds them further and knocks them down. Less assets for the next round of media deals would be worse than this round.

If the media deal now involves less exposure for the Pac12 on mainstream networks like ESPN, Fox, CBS, etc, it hurts their visibility to the rest of the country. Out of sight, out of mind.

C Rod · July 5, 2023

C Rod · July 5, 2023

MrAlien · July 5, 2023

Seems like more then a few Pac12 schools are not happy with their potential payout from a new media deal, and if they dont get what they want then they will leave. None of the media outlets are keen to even make a deal knowing these schools are on the verge of leaving. They may have to end up using their own pac12 network and offer direct to consumer, however there are no guarantees on payouts.

NT80 · July 5, 2023

35 minutes ago, MrAlien said:

Seems like more then a few Pac12 schools are not happy with their potential payout from a new media deal, and if they dont get what they want then they will leave. None of the media outlets are keen to even make a deal knowing these schools are on the verge of leaving. They may have to end up using their own pac12 network and offer direct to consumer, however there are no guarantees on payouts.

Here is an article that relates to D2C, Direct to Consumer, media. It will require subscriptions and doesn't sound like a winning answer to a lot of questions if this is the format they go with.....

https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-football/pac-12-media-rights-is-conference-network-going-direct-to-consumer-d2c-latest-update-rumors-surrounding-deal-expansion-news

NT80 · July 5, 2023

2 hours ago, C Rod said:

That is huge, if correct. The PAC schools wanted the upcoming Pac12 Media Days (July 21) to focus on the upcoming football season, with head coaches and players, and questions about them. They did not want the event to turn into a rumor-fest about the-now-unannounced media deal and expansion or contraction.

Mike Jackson · July 5, 2023

19 hours ago, ntmeangreen11 said:

I'm not delusional enough to think switching to the PAC would change that.

I think we should be. But if the main media partner ends up being Apple+, Colorado leaves, and/or we don’t Getinge one of the 3 best brands left in the league in Denton every year we shouldn’t. Regularly getting 25k for PAC 12 matchups isn’t out of the question. I still believe you can activate at least half of the 300k local alumni by competing with P5 teams and wining over 45% of the time against them.

42 minutes ago, MrAlien said:

They may have to end up using their own pac12 network and offer direct to consumer, however there are no guarantees on payouts.

I think a version of that using Sinclair to distribute and buy a few games for Stadium TV is the way to go if a streaming partner is not willing to “overpay” based on the rumored payout numbers released. I believe The next conference that figures out that over the air isn’t dead for live events will be able to grow their brand. Until most larger TV screens are produced without digital receivers or pay TV over the air is developed broadcasting over the air is far from dead.

DentonStang · July 6, 2023

6 hours ago, C Rod said:

I don't know when the deal will be done, but this guy 100% just makes up stuff. Scroll through his history

Green Otaku · July 6, 2023

Not the first time it's been talked about. This tweet came out quite a few days ago.

Notice it says a more substantive framework will be presented on their media day, not that any kind of deal or even numbers/final numbers would be presented. There is no concrete info on a date and everyone is just guessing. So take the good and bad reports with a huge grain of salt, as most things out are best guesses.

dodgefan · July 6, 2023

Pac bowl tie-ins are:
- Jimmy Kimmel LA Bowl vs Mountain West
- Radiance Technologies Independence Bowl vs Big 12
- San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl vs ACC
- SRS Distribution Las Vegas Bowl vs SEC
- Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl vs ACC
- Valero Alamo Bowl vs Big 12

NT80 · July 7, 2023

Some good background info in this article from July 1....

"The informal deadline for a deal is July 21, when players and coaches will gather in Las Vegas for the Pac-12's preseason media extravaganza.

If there's no media rights agreement by then, the existential crisis will dominate the proceedings and divert attention from the coaches and players — a PR nightmare, in other words.

We would interpret that scenario to mean Kliavkoff has been unable to secure a satisfactory deal, and the odds for Pac-12 survival would drop.

But make no mistake: News could break at any point. The situation is highly fluid."

https://www.ksl.com/article/50678163/pac-12-survival-our-forecasts-for-media-rights-revenue-network-partners-and-expansion-as-the-saga-continues

DentonStang · July 7, 2023

Informal deadline according to who? This speculation. There have been endless "informal deadlines" guessed at. Just guesses. No evidence to assume this deadline is any more real. PAC has a year before they must have a deal. Time is getting short but nowhere near critical.