Tough Times Ahead for San Antonio?

[cousin oliver]

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Not a surprise, and why I’ve scoffed at the idea of us going P5 anytime in the near future. Even after the years we’ve spent in C-USA, we still have our heads under water in most sports there, and now we’re moving up again to an even higher level of competition. The transition would be easier if we already had better infrastructure in place. Nice to be in a large market and have people moving us up in conference every few years, but if that market doesn’t do enough for us in terms of the money we need to be competitive, expect some stormy weather ahead. Our AD has done a terrific job so far, but we can only do so much at a time.

Link:  http://www.rowdytalk.com/showthread.php/12002-Can-we-keep-up

[UNT Texas Hooligan]

They mortgaged their entire athletic future on one coach hoping a P5 would pay his buyout and scoop him up for a big pay day. No one has yet. So they are left holding the bag on his contract with no money for any athletic improvements or hell, even money to buyout Henson. Add to that, UTSA fans notoriously note that their AD Campos is a horrible fundraiser, and most of their athletics outside of football will suffer. Once Traylor leaves and their gravy train ends, I truly doubt they'll be much threat athletically. That's why the UTSA to Pac-12/Big 12 rumors were so comical to me. 

[Dannymacfan]

1 hour ago, UNT Texas Hooligan said:

They mortgaged their entire athletic future on one coach

Bingo!

[peanuts104]

8 hours ago, UNT Texas Hooligan said:

They mortgaged their entire athletic future on one coach

Sounds vaguely familiar.

Edit: Eyeroll all you want, but if it wasn't for Seth's stupid contract we would have canned his ass last year.

Edited April 12, 2023 by peanuts104

[El Paso Eagle]

I think many schools will start facing difficult decisions as doner money tightens if NIL does not get under control. Many will have to choose between one or the other or give less to both. 

[greenminer]

2 hours ago, peanuts104 said:

Sounds vaguely familiar.

Edit: Eyeroll all you want, but if it wasn't for Seth's stupid contract we would have canned his ass last year.

Yet, our present and future still seem fine. So i don’t see how it’s familiar.

(no eye rolls from me)

[Cr1028]

11 hours ago, peanuts104 said:

Sounds vaguely familiar.

Edit: Eyeroll all you want, but if it wasn't for Seth's stupid contract we would have canned his ass last year.

You didn’t see upping the contract to keep him as stupid at the time.

[UNTLifer]

2 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

You didn’t see upping the contract to keep him as stupid at the time.

Damn internet.

[peanuts104]

5 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

You didn’t see upping the contract to keep him as stupid at the time.

Oh man, you pulled some stuff I said from 5 years ago. Congrats.

[Cr1028]

27 minutes ago, peanuts104 said:

Oh man, you pulled some stuff I said from 5 years ago. Congrats.

Well seeing as the contract (that you think was stupid) was signed the summer after your comments were made “5 years ago” then I think it is relevant. Seth‘s last extension was signed after his second 9 win season and flirtation with KState. There were VERY few people against that contract at the time, you and I were not in that group.

Edited April 12, 2023 by Cr1028

[TheColonyEagle]

I learned from the Seth Littrell contract extension. UTSA did not. Others won’t either. 

I will always ALWAYS look through the prism of “who did they beat” from now on when it comes to thinking we should extend a coach or not. Same will go for Morris, Hodge, etc. 

If a coach can parlay beating up mediocre teams into P5 offers. Good luck to them. Littrell would’ve more than likely already been fired by KState and probably be an offensive analyst at OU by now. 

[peanuts104]

4 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

Well seeing as the contract (that you think was stupid) was signed the summer after your comments were made “5 years ago” then I think it is relevant. Seth‘s last extension was signed after his second 9 win season and flirtation with KState. There were VERY few people against that contract at the time, you and I were not in that group.

Yeah I know, I changed my mind. It was 5 years ago.

[Tom McKrackin]

On 4/11/2023 at 10:37 AM, cousin oliver said:

Link:  http://www.rowdytalk.com/showthread.php/12002-Can-we-keep-up

If I were a UTSA fan, or even a part of the admin there, I would be very disappointed in this charlatan.  He wants more everything and basically admits is cause he wants to cover his own ass.  Here’s an idea, why doesn’t he donate some of his 2 million a year salary to the cause?  I mean, if he truly cares like he says he does?

[Cr1028]

2 hours ago, Tom McKrackin said:

If I were a UTSA fan, or even a part of the admin there, I would be very disappointed in this charlatan.  He wants more everything and basically admits is cause he wants to cover his own ass.  Here’s an idea, why doesn’t he donate some of his 2 million a year salary to the cause?  I mean, if he truly cares like he says he does?

Snake oil salesman. As soon as the last of Frank Wilson’s recruits finish their eligibility after the 2023 season UTSA is going to rue the day they made that ridiculous deal.

[97and03]

8 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

Well seeing as the contract (that you think was stupid) was signed the summer after your comments were made “5 years ago” then I think it is relevant. Seth‘s last extension was signed after his second 9 win season and flirtation with KState. There were VERY few people against that contract at the time, you and I were not in that group.

I was against it. 

[Cr1028]

40 minutes ago, 97and03 said:

I was against it. 

And you were right when so many of us were wrong. You have every right to ridicule the contract as much as you want. You are one of a select few that had the right foresight.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Cr1028

[Mike Jackson]

On 4/11/2023 at 7:58 PM, peanuts104 said:

Sounds vaguely familiar.

Edit: Eyeroll all you want, but if it wasn't for Seth's stupid contract we would have canned his ass last year.

You mean November 2021 maybe?  Anyways when you compare Traylor's resigning to Seth’s it is an order of magnitude worse decision by UNT leadership.  Chiefly because out football trophy case has a lot of trophies and none of them due to Seth’s leadership.  Without Traylor the UTSA trophy case is empty.  I don’t know why more of us here didn’t share @97and03's opinion on the second resigning.  We acted like we were the program with an empty trophy case, no history,and renting a subpar pro stadium (even when it was brand new 30 years ago) that a basketball team never wanted and vacated it in less than 10 years.  How much does UTSA pay to play there?   UTSA leadership had a lot of reasons to be excited and desperate to hold on Traylor.   
 

Traylor is simultaneously tempering expectations in the new conference and backhandedly fund raising.  I think as long as they don’t have an on campus stadium generating revenue and AAC level athletic facilities the deck is stacked against them.  And the primary reason that the PAC 12 wouldn’t consider UTSA is their lack academic prestige.  You put Rice academics with UTSA’s recent football success and their status as San Antonio’s D1 Football team, they are mentioned in PAC 12 expansion rumors before SMU, Rice and Tulane*.  
 

*Yes, before downvote or eye roll SMU, Rice and Tulane have be listed as possible Pac 12 expansion candidates from reputable sports news sources.  🤷🏽‍♂️

Edited April 15, 2023 by Mike Jackson

[emmitt01]

10 hours ago, 97and03 said:

I was against it. 

[meangreenfaninno]

11 hours ago, 97and03 said:

I was against it. 

[rcade]

No one should ever quote what I said five-plus years ago. That guy was an idiot.

[Jonnyeagle]

13 hours ago, Mike Jackson said:

Traylor is simultaneously tempering expectations in the new conference and backhandedly fund raising.

[Moobs]

On 4/11/2023 at 10:37 AM, cousin oliver said:

Link:  http://www.rowdytalk.com/showthread.php/12002-Can-we-keep-up

I loved the first minute of this video! Did anyone else catch what he said about the weather? He talks about one game in his time there that the team didn’t perform very well in bad weather. I remember that game, and I loved every drop of rain that fell at Apogee that day and was proud to stand in it and cheer on our Mean Green!

[UNTLifer]

2 hours ago, Moobs said:

I loved the first minute of this video! Did anyone else catch what he said about the weather? He talks about one game in his time there that the team didn’t perform very well in bad weather. I remember that game, and I loved every drop of rain that fell at Apogee that day and was proud to stand in it and cheer on our Mean Green!

Those were Roadrunner tears.