Final 22-23 Home Attendance Stats

[NorthTexasWeLove]

Programs that take themselves seriously get their students to show in droves. Figure it out. 

[cousin oliver]

12 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Programs that take themselves seriously get their students to show in droves. Figure it out. 

But many do not it appears.

[emmitt01]

21 hours ago, Green Otaku said:

OSU's arena seats 13.6k. This year's attendance:

UTA: 5,324

S. Illinois: 5,324

Tulsa: 9,856

PV A&M: 5,683

SHSU: 5,368

AMCC: 6,007

WV: 6,134

Texas: 7,369

OU: 10,789

ISU: 6,656

Ol Miss: 9,973

TCU: 9,581

TT: 7,467

KU: 11,165

KSU: 11,124

Baylor: 7,965

EWU: 4,978

UNT: 4,807

=124,446 

Season average= 6,914

They averaged 50.64% capacity on the season on a year they finished 20-16. Yes they are in the Big12 and get boosts from opponents, but we who are 29-7 and finished the year at 3,611. 34.38% capacity on our best season of all time. On a bad year they are still outdrawing us by 15%. The only time I can see that they've had a similar record to what we had this year was 20-21 where they finished 21-9 but covid happened. The other year is 2012-13 where they finished 24-9, they averaged 9,814. 

You’re overlooking the biggest part of the argument.   OSU fans go to games to see OSU…North Texas people, sadly, go to see the opponent.  So, a Big XII slate essentially doubles their crowd (fans of their team and fans of the opponent) whereas we would just see a bump in those interested in the opponent.  
 

It’s the truth.  Why?  North Texas alums have the biggest inferiority complex I’ve ever seen and can’t be convinced that we belong.  Ever notice that on threads where one of our posters feels we’ve been slighted, one of our other posters will come along and talk about the history and grandeur of whomever is given better treatment than us?  
If we’re winning, our fanbase can’t even get “way to go team” out of their mouths before uttering “who’s gonna steal our coach??!  How many players are gonna leave??!”  We actually EXPECT to be forever in last place instead of EXPECTING to compete with and maintain success over others.  
 

Did anyone see the postgame press conference from FAU’s last game?  They had NEVER won a NCAA tournament game before, yet their players repeatedly said “we BELONG here.”

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.  Nobody has to hold North Texas back; we’ll do it ourselves.

Edited March 25, 2023 by emmitt01

[NT93]

20 hours ago, Green Otaku said:

OSU's arena seats 13.6k. This year's attendance:

UTA: 5,324

S. Illinois: 5,324

Tulsa: 9,856

PV A&M: 5,683

SHSU: 5,368

AMCC: 6,007

WV: 6,134

Texas: 7,369

OU: 10,789

ISU: 6,656

Ol Miss: 9,973

TCU: 9,581

TT: 7,467

KU: 11,165

KSU: 11,124

Baylor: 7,965

EWU: 4,978

UNT: 4,807

=124,446 

Season average= 6,914

They averaged 50.64% capacity on the season on a year they finished 20-16. Yes they are in the Big12 and get boosts from opponents, but we who are 29-7 and finished the year at 3,611. 34.38% capacity on our best season of all time. On a bad year they are still outdrawing us by 15%. The only time I can see that they've had a similar record to what we had this year was 20-21 where they finished 21-9 but covid happened. The other year is 2012-13 where they finished 24-9, they averaged 9,814. 

Surely playing a Big 12 schedule instead of a CUSA schedule would account for them outdrawing us by 15%.

[Green Otaku]

2 hours ago, CMJ said:

I'm not sure if that is true nationwide.  I know "big name" programs and all that, but watching on TV I don't see much of a difference in attendance between weekday and weekend games.  

This. It feels like the students get traded out for the alumni on the weekend, so the crowds look to be about the same. 

[Green Otaku]

44 minutes ago, NT93 said:

Surely playing a Big 12 schedule instead of a CUSA schedule would account for them outdrawing us by 15%.

I mentioned the boost of who they played in my post. I also only used them as an example because @meangreenfaninno said look at the sparse OSU crowd. Even on a down year they are outdrawing us. 

The bigger issue is we had a team that had 4 losses until we played Rice, and 5 until we played CLT. If you look at the games between then and their attendance that is not a good turnout for such a low loss team. Again the issue is that the very best season in our history is drawing poorly. 

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/249/north-texas-mean-green

[Green Otaku]

1 hour ago, emmitt01 said:

You’re overlooking out the biggest part of the argument.   OSU fans go to games to see OSU…North Texas people, sadly, go to see the opponent.  So, a Big XII slate essentially doubles their crowd (fans of their team and fans of the opponent) whereas we would just see a bump in those interested in the opponent.  
 

It’s the truth.  Why?  North Texas alums have the biggest inferiority complex I’ve ever seen and can’t be convinced that we belong.  Ever notice that on threads where one of our posters feels we’ve been slighted, one of our other posters will come along and talk about the history and grandeur of whomever is given better treatment than us?  
If we’re winning, our fanbase can’t even get “way to go team” out of their mouths before uttering “who’s gonna steal our coach??!  How many players are gonna leave??!”  We actually EXPECT to be forever in last place instead of EXPECTING to compete with and maintain success over others.  
 

Did anyone see the postgame press conference from FAU’s last game?  They had NEVER won a NCAA tournament game before, yet their players repeatedly said “we BELONG here.”

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.  Nobody has to hold North Texas back; we’ll do it ourselves.

 

Great post. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

57 minutes ago, Green Otaku said:

I mentioned the boost of who they played in my post. I also only used them as an example because @meangreenfaninno said look at the sparse OSU crowd. Even on a down year they are outdrawing us. 

The bigger issue is we had a team that had 4 losses until we played Rice, and 5 until we played CLT. If you look at the games between then and their attendance that is not a good turnout for such a low loss team. Again the issue is that the very best season in our history is drawing poorly. 

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/249/north-texas-mean-green

I don't know I would call 20 wins a down year at Oklahoma State. I would call that an average year for them while still having a big12 schedule that still includes UT and OU. 

Edited March 25, 2023 by NorthTexasWeLove

[NorthTexasWeLove]

54 minutes ago, Green Otaku said:

 

Great post. 

I second that. 

[Green Otaku]

15 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

I don't know I would call 20 wins a down year at Oklahoma State. I would call that an average year for them while still having a big12 schedule that still includes UT and OU. 

 

15 losses until they played us, 7th place out of 10, won 1 game in the Big12 tourney vs last place OU. Maybe not a down year, but definitely a poor year. 

 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

12 minutes ago, Green Otaku said:

 

15 losses until they played us, 7th place out of 10, won 1 game in the Big12 tourney vs last place OU. Maybe not a down year, but definitely a poor year. 

 

By no means a great year, but they've had many a seasons with sub-20 wins. They aren't a powerhouse winning 25+ a year by any stretch. 

[NorthTexasSportsNetwork]

On 3/24/2023 at 2:05 PM, meanJewGreen said:

As one poster put in an earlier thread, COVID had a lot to do with hurting mid major momentum IMHO. 

I know its 3 years in the future, but I feel like we missed that momentum lift in 2020 and 2021

I actually agree on this, and while it seems old, you nailed it we missed the momentum. If we would’ve gone on to the sweet 16 or something instead of Covid hitting, we are averaging 5-6K a game and things are different.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

33 minutes ago, NorthTexasSportsNetwork said:

I actually agree on this, and while it seems old, you nailed it we missed the momentum. If we would’ve gone on to the sweet 16 or something instead of Covid hitting, we are averaging 5-6K a game and things are different.

Naw. We are a liberal arts university. We have a lot of liberal art students and alum. Add that with basically no legitimate marketing presence, this is the result. 

I'll even add, do you think our metroplex alum are aware that we're on the doorstep of 30 wins? Do you think they know we're in the NIT final 4? Do you think they know our HC is averaging over 20 wins a season? We can't assume everyone is on social media and then we can't assume the ones that are follow UNT athletics  we also can't assume alumni are signed up for mass emails. Our athletics department has been marketing to basically the die-hard fan for the better part of 18 months. It's a huge problem and not to come off sounding bitter, but I blame Wren Baker. 

Edited March 25, 2023 by NorthTexasWeLove

[aztecskin]

I mean I don’t know how to get current students to love basketball. Even telling them the game is free and all that isn’t going to bring students in if they don’t care about hoop. 

 

and yeah weeknight games are for Denton people and weekends are for DFW people + kids. 

I bought season tix to SLU and they had 50% attendance for weeknights (and would email me discounted additional ticket offers) and had 70%+ for weekends (including friday nights). 

To me the marketing has to be to basketball fans in Denton and immediate surrounding area without kids to boost weeknight games. The rest is for the wider metro because it’s easier to get there and spend a day. 

It’s been a while since i’ve been in Denton for a game but another thing killing the vibe is that there isn’t much ti do immediately after but drive home. Going to a game isn’t really much of a night out. Might be losing some folks if you can’t get a food truck out there pre game or something. Those are gimmicks though and just serve to make it easier for people already thinking about going. 
 

[NT80]

On 3/25/2023 at 10:34 AM, NT93 said:

Surely playing a Big 12 schedule instead of a CUSA schedule would account for them outdrawing us by 15%.

Exactly.   If we were in the Big12 with that schedule of course our attendance would be better.  Our media interest would be better, marketing easier, and more opponent fans by far.  

Some current excuses for lack of attendance and program excitement:   lame OOC opponents, lack of name conference opponents, poor non-game entertainment, poor arena atmosphere outside before and after games, slow pace of play, difficult ticketing and admission procedures, inconsistent seating enforcement, large non-athletic support culture on campus, sold seats with invisible fans that never come.

[MeanGreen22]

14 hours ago, aztecskin said:

I mean I don’t know how to get current students to love basketball. Even telling them the game is free and all that isn’t going to bring students in if they don’t care about hoop. 
 

I just don’t think the university does enough to get students in the door. This dates back to when I was a student. People don’t go to UNT because of our sporting events, but it doesn’t mean a lot of the students don’t like to watch sports. You just gotta figure out how to engage them. And historically, we haven’t been good at it unfortunately.