Sam Houston State (3/19/23)

[CMJ]

18 minutes ago, meangreenfaninno said:

Yes but would you agree they have an obligation to post accurate information?

Sure, but it's also widely said around here they've inflated up before too.

[Arkstfan]

Unless things have changed, host school pays NIT/NCAA based on tickets sold. If you are mailing a check based on tickets sold you, don't report a larger number than the sales number, even if it is people who were in the building.

[greenminer]

7 hours ago, meangreenfaninno said:

Yes but would you agree they have an obligation to post accurate information?

That doesn't mean we need to get outraged lol.

[Arkstfan]

As to arena size. There is absolutely a benefit in not having too many seats. I've repeated this line many times. It's much better to have a thousand too few seats than a thousand too many.

Gonzaga has a 6000 seat arena they built in 2004. They'd made NCAA in 1995. Then again in 1999 when they made the crazy Elite Eight run. They've not missed the tournament since that run in 1999.

They've got a great set up. Community of around 6000. About 80 miles from nearest P5 and four hours plus from nearest major pro team.

Single game tickets run $36 to $75. 

No season tickets are available unless on the list.

To get on the list there are three tiers that entitle you to a shot to buy some single game tickets during the year, conference tournament tickets, neutral site tickets and NCAA Tournament tickets.

For $250 you get on the list for day before and day of game ticket availability, shot at tickets during Christmas break when students are gone, neutral site, conference and maybe NCAA tickets

For $500 get those benefits plus possibility of tickets a day earlier.

For $1000 (which is sold out) you get all of that plus social passes to pre-game donor activities.

School says if you buy one of those annual memberships you will likely get tickets for 3-5 games a year. If you are bottom level, get the cheapest tickets and get them five times and each time can get the maximum four tickets, that's $48.50 per ticket.

Scarcity is profitable.

I mean yeah it's a lot easier when you've been in the Dance every year for 25 years and hold the nation's longest active Sweet 16 streak at 8 seasons but they had a streak of four and one of three of not making it that far. 

But if you average 2000 for example, having 2500 is good because there will be games people are turned away and maybe some buy a season ticket to make sure it doesn't happen again, some others buy because they afraid it will happen to them. Then 3000 seats might be a good number and so on. Problem is hard to handle hard infrastructure that way.

Memphis used to play at Mid-South Coliseum, it held 11,200 and the Tigers were packing it to the rafters. They quit taking season ticket applications when it got to the point it was estimated you'd get tickets in 20 years. If they had a bad year, you kept your seats because you'd never get them back when things got better.

Then they moved to the Pyramid which had 20,000 seats and everyone on the waiting list got tickets. Soon after Tigers hit a dry spell and average attendance fell well below what it had been in the Coliseum. People figured out they could dump the season tickets, buy just the games they wanted, if they wanted any and could go back and likely have better season tickets than they had before whenever they wanted.

Excess capacity is an issue all across Division I football and basketball outside a few schools.

[greenminer]

 

[Green Otaku]

1 hour ago, Arkstfan said:

As to arena size. There is absolutely a benefit in not having too many seats. I've repeated this line many times. It's much better to have a thousand too few seats than a thousand too many.

Gonzaga has a 6000 seat arena they built in 2004. They'd made NCAA in 1995. Then again in 1999 when they made the crazy Elite Eight run. They've not missed the tournament since that run in 1999.

They've got a great set up. Community of around 6000. About 80 miles from nearest P5 and four hours plus from nearest major pro team.

Single game tickets run $36 to $75. 

No season tickets are available unless on the list.

To get on the list there are three tiers that entitle you to a shot to buy some single game tickets during the year, conference tournament tickets, neutral site tickets and NCAA Tournament tickets.

For $250 you get on the list for day before and day of game ticket availability, shot at tickets during Christmas break when students are gone, neutral site, conference and maybe NCAA tickets

For $500 get those benefits plus possibility of tickets a day earlier.

For $1000 (which is sold out) you get all of that plus social passes to pre-game donor activities.

School says if you buy one of those annual memberships you will likely get tickets for 3-5 games a year. If you are bottom level, get the cheapest tickets and get them five times and each time can get the maximum four tickets, that's $48.50 per ticket.

Scarcity is profitable.

I mean yeah it's a lot easier when you've been in the Dance every year for 25 years and hold the nation's longest active Sweet 16 streak at 8 seasons but they had a streak of four and one of three of not making it that far. 

But if you average 2000 for example, having 2500 is good because there will be games people are turned away and maybe some buy a season ticket to make sure it doesn't happen again, some others buy because they afraid it will happen to them. Then 3000 seats might be a good number and so on. Problem is hard to handle hard infrastructure that way.

Memphis used to play at Mid-South Coliseum, it held 11,200 and the Tigers were packing it to the rafters. They quit taking season ticket applications when it got to the point it was estimated you'd get tickets in 20 years. If they had a bad year, you kept your seats because you'd never get them back when things got better.

Then they moved to the Pyramid which had 20,000 seats and everyone on the waiting list got tickets. Soon after Tigers hit a dry spell and average attendance fell well below what it had been in the Coliseum. People figured out they could dump the season tickets, buy just the games they wanted, if they wanted any and could go back and likely have better season tickets than they had before whenever they wanted.

Excess capacity is an issue all across Division I football and basketball outside a few schools.

 

 

 

[UNTFan23]

12 hours ago, Arkstfan said:

As to arena size. There is absolutely a benefit in not having too many seats. I've repeated this line many times. It's much better to have a thousand too few seats than a thousand too many.

Gonzaga has a 6000 seat arena they built in 2004. They'd made NCAA in 1995. Then again in 1999 when they made the crazy Elite Eight run. They've not missed the tournament since that run in 1999.

They've got a great set up. Community of around 6000. About 80 miles from nearest P5 and four hours plus from nearest major pro team.

Single game tickets run $36 to $75. 

No season tickets are available unless on the list.

To get on the list there are three tiers that entitle you to a shot to buy some single game tickets during the year, conference tournament tickets, neutral site tickets and NCAA Tournament tickets.

For $250 you get on the list for day before and day of game ticket availability, shot at tickets during Christmas break when students are gone, neutral site, conference and maybe NCAA tickets

For $500 get those benefits plus possibility of tickets a day earlier.

For $1000 (which is sold out) you get all of that plus social passes to pre-game donor activities.

School says if you buy one of those annual memberships you will likely get tickets for 3-5 games a year. If you are bottom level, get the cheapest tickets and get them five times and each time can get the maximum four tickets, that's $48.50 per ticket.

Scarcity is profitable.

I mean yeah it's a lot easier when you've been in the Dance every year for 25 years and hold the nation's longest active Sweet 16 streak at 8 seasons but they had a streak of four and one of three of not making it that far. 

But if you average 2000 for example, having 2500 is good because there will be games people are turned away and maybe some buy a season ticket to make sure it doesn't happen again, some others buy because they afraid it will happen to them. Then 3000 seats might be a good number and so on. Problem is hard to handle hard infrastructure that way.

Memphis used to play at Mid-South Coliseum, it held 11,200 and the Tigers were packing it to the rafters. They quit taking season ticket applications when it got to the point it was estimated you'd get tickets in 20 years. If they had a bad year, you kept your seats because you'd never get them back when things got better.

Then they moved to the Pyramid which had 20,000 seats and everyone on the waiting list got tickets. Soon after Tigers hit a dry spell and average attendance fell well below what it had been in the Coliseum. People figured out they could dump the season tickets, buy just the games they wanted, if they wanted any and could go back and likely have better season tickets than they had before whenever they wanted.

Excess capacity is an issue all across Division I football and basketball outside a few schools.

TL;DR is 10k is likely too many for North Texas. Somewhere between 5k and 7500 is likely a good sweet spot for our program. 

[golfingomez]

37 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

TL;DR is 10k is likely too many for North Texas. Somewhere between 5k and 7500 is likely a good sweet spot for our program. 

i keep hearing a lot of "too big" and "too much"...

this doesn't sound very Texan... in fact... this sounds pretty GD communist... and it's definitely not what Jesus would have wanted...

[UNTLifer]

1 hour ago, golfingomez said:

i keep hearing a lot of "too big" and "too much"...

this doesn't sound very Texan... in fact... this sounds pretty GD communist... and it's definitely not what Jesus would have wanted...