SMU potentially to the PAC-12

[dodgefan]

10 minutes ago, ADLER said:

That's almost verbatim what the Pac12 presidents have been saying lately concerning their own conference.

Oh really, can you provide the receipts to back up your claims?

[ADLER]

11 minutes ago, dodgefan said:

Oh really, can you provide the receipts to back up your claims?

They'll be coming on the signed GOR's, or lack thereof, right along that primrose pathway.

[UNTLifer]

22 hours ago, SMU2006 said:

NIL. 

If used as intended, name, image and likeness, SMU wouldn't have a shot, but in true SMU fashion, you have found a way to abuse the system for your benefit.  Paying kids to just be on the team was not the intent, but then again, the NCAA does have the where with all to enforce anything.

[El Paso Eagle]

 

 

[Mike Jackson]

6 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

 

 

For more background on the sinking ship that SMU fan…err I mean fans can’t wait to ride down with.  😂

 

[greenminer]

 

[DentonStang]

7 hours ago, Mike Jackson said:

For more background on the sinking ship that SMU fan…err I mean fans can’t wait to ride down with.  😂

 

Yes the crazy 12-anon media have all kinds of conspiracy theories.  They know nothing.  Next they tell us commissioner Kliavkoff was buddies with Jeffrey Epstein 

[greenminer]

 

[greenminer]

 

[Mike Jackson]

3 hours ago, DentonStang said:

Yes the crazy 12-anon media have all kinds of conspiracy theories.  They know nothing.  Next they tell us commissioner Kliavkoff was buddies with Jeffrey Epstein 

So the big money media rights deal paying a depleted PAC 12 adding SMU and maybe SDSU is a done deal right?  I am sure those great Southern California viewership numbers for SDSU and DFW area SMU game viewership numbers have media executives salivating to pay the PAC 12 well over 30 million per team.  Man, I am going to rush out a bulk buy SMU season tickets to scalp them for all those Cal, Stanford, Colorado and SDSU fans that are going to pack Ford Stadium.  

[greenminer]

 

There's significant question of what SMU brings to the PAC12...

...to provide inventory.

...the value of the conference is significantly lower than what they thought...

[DentonStang]

46 minutes ago, Mike Jackson said:

So the big money media rights deal paying a depleted PAC 12 adding SMU and maybe SDSU is a done deal right?  I am sure those great Southern California viewership numbers for SDSU and DFW area SMU game viewership numbers have media executives salivating to pay the PAC 12 well over 30 million per team.  Man, I am going to rush out a bulk buy SMU season tickets to scalp them for all those Cal, Stanford, Colorado and SDSU fans that are going to pack Ford Stadium.  

Is it done?  Not done?  Going badly?  Almost done?  Trending higher than B12?  Lower?  Who knows.  But none of these media outlets do either. 

We (SMU fans) knew about the PAC move for a LONG time. You'll remember me posting that we may not even play a game against you in the AAC.  It didn't quite happen that fast, but NONE of these media outlets that claim to know the details of the negotiations ever reported anything about the possibility of SMU/SDSU to the PAC despite ton of people involved and aware.  They just aren't plugged in.

You'll notice that most of the media outlets talking are B12 outlets like Dennis Dodd.  They aren't reputable P12 outlets.  These people are mostly just peddling schadenfreude for the B12 audience and maybe a few of them are propaganda.

Take for example the recent stories on CBS and Turner pulling out. These outlets are reporting it as they are walking away and not interested. Possible. But equally possible P12 has narrowed down bidders to finalists and are negotiating final terms. At that point CBS and Turner are no longer bidding because they lost and are excluded, not because they are not interested. But it is never reported that way by the B12 doom media. 

Yormark is a salesman/media guy. He's definitely winning the PR game and controlling the narrative.  That's doesn't mean it's accurate.

Edited February 16, 2023 by DentonStang

[greenminer]

3 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

Is it done?  Not done?  Going badly?  Almost done?  Trending higher than B12?  Lower?  Who knows.  But none of these media outlets do either. 

You'll notice that most of the media outlets talking are B12 outlets like Dennis Dodd.  They aren't reputable P12 outlets.  These people are mostly just peddling schadenfreude for the B12 audience and maybe a few of them are propaganda.

Take for example the recent stories on CBS and Turner pulling out. These outlets are reporting it as they are walking away and not interested. Possible. But equally possible P12 has narrowed down bidders to finalists and are negotiating final terms. At that point CBS and Turner are no longer bidding because they lost and are excluded, not because they are not interested. But it is never reported that way by the B12 doom media. 

Yormark is a salesman/media guy. He's definitely winning the PR game and controlling the narrative.  That's doesn't mean it's accurate.

Still trying to find PAC12 outlets, which is hard right now.  Can you point us in the right direction?

[MrAlien]

It sounds like Amazon is the front runner for the P12 media deal, which could prove lucrative who doesn't have prime? 

[UNTLifer]

44 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

Yormark is a salesman/media guy. He's definitely winning the PR game and controlling the narrative.  That's doesn't mean it's accurate.

Similar to the Biden Administration?

[Rudy]

If the Amazon Prime deal falls through, maybe the Pac 12 can stream their games on pornhub?

[untphd]

1 minute ago, Rudy said:

If the Amazon Prime deal falls through, maybe the Pac 12 can stream their games on pornhub?

Not more hookers.

[Mike Jackson]

2 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

Is it done?  Not done?  Going badly?  Almost done?  Trending higher than B12?  Lower?  Who knows.  But none of these media outlets do either. 

You'll notice that most of the media outlets talking are B12 outlets like Dennis Dodd.  They aren't reputable P12 outlets.  These people are mostly just peddling schadenfreude for the B12 audience and maybe a few of them are propaganda.

Take for example the recent stories on CBS and Turner pulling out. These outlets are reporting it as they are walking away and not interested. Possible. But equally possible P12 has narrowed down bidders to finalists and are negotiating final terms. At that point CBS and Turner are no longer bidding because they lost and are excluded, not because they are not interested. But it is never reported that way by the B12 doom media. 

Yormark is a salesman/media guy. He's definitely winning the PR game and controlling the narrative.  That's doesn't mean it's accurate.

It isn’t just PR.  The PAC 12 is in the worst position by far of the P5 conferences.  My pure logic base speculation is that Washington and Oregon should really consider taking their football programs independent if they are not going to get 30 million plus with the next PAC 12 deal.    There isn’t some anti PAC 12 conspiracy, the math is easy.  If Notre Dame’s bargain basement number for football only after the current deal is 40 million with NBC (reports are already out that the opening bid will be at least 60 million and their currently already getting 25 million).   Washington/Oregon can schedule any G5 team they want on a whim (including P5 teams Texas Tech, Baylor, and Houston) for recruiting purposes and ratings.  If building a complete compelling football schedule isn’t a challenge and your other programs can easily find a conference home, there is no reason not to explore what is financially available for going independent.  They could always backtrack and go back to the PAC 12 if they don’t like the bids they get.  Minimally it is logical that Oregon and Washington would get 30 million based on deals already signed.   Virtually guaranteed afternoon and Saturday evening FBS content for NBC from September till the first Saturday in December.  And NBC pays only around 120 million per year 60 million for Notre Dame and 60 million for Oregon/Washington combined.

[NT80]

2 hours ago, DentonStang said:

We (SMU fans) knew about the PAC move for a LONG time. You'll remember me posting that we may not even play a game against you in the AAC.  It didn't quite happen that fast, but NONE of these media outlets that claim to know the details of the negotiations ever reported anything about the possibility of SMU/SDSU to the PAC despite ton of people involved and aware.  They just aren't plugged in.

You'll notice that most of the media outlets talking are B12 outlets like Dennis Dodd.  They aren't reputable P12 outlets.  These people are mostly just peddling schadenfreude for the B12 audience and maybe a few of them are propaganda.

Take for example the recent stories on CBS and Turner pulling out. These outlets are reporting it as they are walking away and not interested. Possible. But equally possible P12 has narrowed down bidders to finalists and are negotiating final terms. At that point CBS and Turner are no longer bidding because they lost and are excluded, not because they are not interested. But it is never reported that way by the B12 doom media. 

Yormark is a salesman/media guy. He's definitely winning the PR game and controlling the narrative.  That's doesn't mean it's accurate.

[DentonStang]

11 minutes ago, Mike Jackson said:

It isn’t just PR.  The PAC 12 is in the worst position by far of the P5 conferences.  My pure logic base speculation is that Washington and Oregon should really consider taking their football programs independent if they are not going to get 30 million plus with the next PAC 12 deal.    There isn’t some anti PAC 12 conspiracy, the math is easy.  If Notre Dame’s bargain basement number for football only after the current deal is 40 million with NBC (reports are already out that the opening bid will be at least 60 million and their currently already getting 25 million).   Washington/Oregon can schedule any G5 team they want on a whim (including P5 teams Texas Tech, Baylor, and Houston) for recruiting purposes and ratings.  If building a complete compelling football schedule isn’t a challenge and your other programs can easily find a conference home, there is no reason not to explore what is financially available for going independent.  They could always backtrack and go back to the PAC 12 if they don’t like the bids they get.  Minimally it is logical that Oregon and Washington would get 30 million based on deals already signed.   Virtually guaranteed afternoon and Saturday evening FBS content for NBC from September till the first Saturday in December.  And NBC pays only around 120 million per year 60 million for Notre Dame and 60 million for Oregon/Washington combined.

Nothing you say is untrue except there are no credible numbers behind it.  We're talking about a new horizon with streaming, and we're talking timeslots and volume vs just individual teams value.  Plus likely dismantling or selling or partnering PAC12 network, etc.

[greenminer]

A couple thoughts:

SMU finding out there is one thing their amount of money can't by: media rights.  All this back door talk, and they for once cannot wave their budget around.  Their money doesn't matter.  PAC12 is trying to find leverage for more TV money, and SMU is there only to do the bare minimum: fill up the schedule inventory.  So, they'll accept this supposed invite because, hey! PAC12, but everyone else is backing out and it appears we are watching the beginning of the end of the PAC12.  This might seem better than AAC right now, but I see regional foes growing with each other (Belt last decade+, for example).  We could see some cool stuff happen in this region coming up, and SMU will find itself on the outside looking in because it is so desparate to look relevant on the national scale, it is forgetting where it is rooted.

[DentonStang]

49 minutes ago, greenminer said:

A couple thoughts:

SMU finding out there is one thing their amount of money can't by: media rights.  All this back door talk, and they for once cannot wave their budget around.  Their money doesn't matter.  PAC12 is trying to find leverage for more TV money, and SMU is there only to do the bare minimum: fill up the schedule inventory.  So, they'll accept this supposed invite because, hey! PAC12, but everyone else is backing out and it appears we are watching the beginning of the end of the PAC12.  This might seem better than AAC right now, but I see regional foes growing with each other (Belt last decade+, for example).  We could see some cool stuff happen in this region coming up, and SMU will find itself on the outside looking in because it is so desparate to look relevant on the national scale, it is forgetting where it is rooted.

Aww shucks, you're right. It might turn out badly so we had better not even try. Much better to sit around playing Charlotte and UAB waiting to be relegated to the new version of FCS.  At least then nobody could laugh at us for trying and failing. 

[Mike Jackson]

23 minutes ago, Rudy said:

If the Amazon Prime deal falls through, maybe the Pac 12 can stream their games on pornhub?

Without UCLA & USC cheerleaders what’s the point?  

[Mike Jackson]

52 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

Aww shucks, you're right. It might turn out badly so we had better not even try. Much better to sit around playing Charlotte and UAB waiting to be relegated to the new version of FCS.  At least then nobody could laugh at us for trying and failing. 

The fact that you are on a board of an old FCS team that has caught up to your current conference spouting this is the richest of ironies.  I wonder what is the going rent rate for space in Highland Park heads?  😂

[TIgreen01]

Worst case scenario, all but WSU and OSU leave the Pac12 this is MWC + Pac12 roster:

Air Force, Boise, Colorado St, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego St, San Jose St, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming, Wash St, Oregon St, SMU

Vs the AAC:

East Carolina, Memphis, Navy, South Florida, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa;  Charlotte, FAU, North Texas, Rice, UAB, UTSA

I do tend to think that Washington and Oregon leave the Pac12.  Whether they get a B10 invite or go independent, they should leave that group.  I think it's a stretch to assume that the 4 corner schools gain all that much by jumping.  Presumably they don't add much value to their OWN media deal.  Why would the Big12 water down their media money by adding them?  Doesn't make sense to me.  Of those 4 corner schools, the 2 most likely to add value to Big 12 are Arizona and Colorado.  Arizona values basketball and there is no question the Big12 is the best basketball conference now, and likely still even after all this dust settles.  But their football is a mess.  Colorado already left the Big12 once, and it was a vastly superior conference then vs today.  Realistically, Pac12 can still lose Wash and Oregon and then pickoff the best of the MWC.  That could then look something like this:

New Pac10:

Arizona, Arizona St, Boise, Colorado, Oregon St, San Diego St, SMU, UNLV, Utah, Wash St

New MWC10:

Air Force, Colorado St, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, San Jose st, Utah St, UTEP, Wyoming

The new Pac10 is definitely not a power conference with that new lineup, but it is a step above the new MWC and the new AAC.  The new AAC is a better conference than the new MWC (which has essentially become the old Big West/WAC again).

Edited February 16, 2023 by TIgreen01