Don’t Criticize Unless You Donate!

2020 Sucks · December 26, 2022

UNT86 · December 26, 2022

All of this! Just put on green and it is the same with us.

Are you stepping up? Do you show up win or lose, rain or shine? Are you all in? If not, this video should speak directly to you.

Jonnyeagle · December 26, 2022

1 hour ago, UNT86 said:

All of this! Just put on green and it is the same with us.

Are you stepping up? Do you show up win or lose, rain or shine? Are you all in? If not, this video should speak directly to you.

I am stepping up. I just wish there was a designated fund for the AC

drex · December 26, 2022

It would be interesting to see the stats on the members of this board who donate and who buy football/basketball season tickets...it would probably be frightening.

UNT86 · December 26, 2022

I would imagine most of the complaints are from the exact people Deon is talking about. Keyboard warriors, but not much else. The "I'll wait until I see if they win" crowd. "I'm not giving until they do this or that or fire him or her" while I contribute the minimum to the program.

untcampbell · December 26, 2022

12 hours ago, drex said:

It would be interesting to see the stats on the members of this board who donate and who buy football/basketball season tickets...it would probably be frightening.

Often thought this, that we voluntarily put in our nameplate what we donate to the program each year on tickets, MGSF, etc. I'd be the first to admit my number isn't as high as I'd like it to be, or even as high as its been in the past.

My biggest giving years were during the five-year period where I paid for the continued right to buy club seats but that was also when I made good on my commitment to give more when a new stadium was built..

But by identifying donation levels, it would add context to the posts complaining about the Athletic Department not spending enough money on a particular coach, or marketing, or a program, etc.

Not much of a fan of Mr. Sanders style but he got it right on this one.

GMG

SilverEagle · December 26, 2022

You know, this is UNT forgodsakes. To provide a little historical context, I first uttered my "wrinkled $100 bill" analogy about North Texas students, and their penchant for bitchin, BEFORE Hayden Fry arrived and started/introduced the concept of giving/donating to the athletic department. As you should know by now, giving back to the University and the Athletic department was discouraged/forbidden before Jitter Nolan and Hayden Fry's arrival. The Mean Green Club was started about 1973 and the UNT endowment fund did not get created/started until 1974. That's why our endowment, as of 2020 was 217.8 million, and Texas State's (founded in 1899) is 342 million as of 2022.

Bitching and moaning about any sort of inconvenience was a North Texas student tradition long before fund raising got started.

Having said all that I would add a subtitle to this thread. " And don't donate just so you can criticize/complain".

aztecskin · December 26, 2022

yeah we got a lot of small-minded, small-plans-having people here. But a lot of programs have that. The *main* difference here is that we don't have enough big time difference-makers here.

Like, one billionaire from NT makes a big difference and makes all people who like to complain on the message-board even more irrelevant.

Side.Show.Joe · December 26, 2022

14 hours ago, drex said:

It would be interesting to see the stats on the members of this board who donate and who buy football/basketball season tickets...it would probably be frightening.

You should start a thread with a poll and maybe we could glean some information from the results.

NT80 · December 26, 2022

55 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

You know, this is UNT forgodsakes. To provide a little historical context, I first uttered my "wrinkled $100 bill" analogy about North Texas students, and their penchant for bitchin, BEFORE Hayden Fry arrived and started/introduced the concept of giving/donating to the athletic department. As you should know by now, giving back to the University and the Athletic department was discouraged/forbidden before Jitter Nolan and Hayden Fry's arrival. The Mean Green Club was started about 1973 and the UNT endowment fund did not get created/started until 1974. That's why our endowment, as of 2020 was 217.8 million, and Texas State's (founded in 1899) is 342 million as of 2022.

Bitching and moaning about any sort of inconvenience was a North Texas student tradition long before fund raising got started.

Having said all that I would add a subtitle to this thread. " And don't donate just so you can criticize/complain".

I would like to see The Mean Green Club become a thing again within the Athletic Department. It was donors but also had a social aspect to it. Wren changed it to the MGSF and we lost another part of our history because of it. Keep the MGSF too if needed but The MGC needs to return!

untcampbell · December 26, 2022

2 hours ago, SilverEagle said:

To provide a little historical context, I first uttered my "wrinkled $100 bill" analogy about North Texas students, and their penchant for bitchin, BEFORE Hayden Fry arrived and started/introduced the concept of giving/donating to the athletic department

That was the inspiration for my profile picture, SE. Thanks!

GMG

MeanGreen_MBA · December 26, 2022

1 hour ago, NT80 said:

I would like to see The Mean Green Club become a thing again within the Athletic Department. It was donors but also had a social aspect to it. Wren changed it to the MGSF and we lost another part of our history because of it. Keep the MGSF too if needed but The MGC needs to return!

The Mean green Club changed to the MGSF because of the change in tax laws, Not because Wren did anything. You cannot take tax exemptions on certain donations like to the MGC, but you can for scholarships…MGSF. Or some such change to the tax code.

ExADofficeIntern · December 26, 2022

17 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

I am stepping up. I just wish there was a designated fund for the AC

I wish that they did this and I think you would have more donors if little things like this were done.

I also think you could attract donors (even people who may $40-50) for a Saturday night dinner up at Apogee just to hear Morris, his staff talk scheme, recruiting, etc…

I have long thought AD office should embrace this and even do offer to let the GMG pod come up and do shows live (if they were up for it).

NT80 · December 26, 2022

14 minutes ago, MeanGreen_MBA said:

The Mean green Club changed to the MGSF because of the change in tax laws, Not because Wren did anything. You cannot take tax exemptions on certain donations like to the MGC, but you can for scholarships…MGSF. Or some such change to the tax code.

Not exactly true. But like I said, keep the MGSF name for people that want to donate to scholarships. However, have other giving programs for some that want to donate to specific projects or to other things than scholarships. It can all be under the Mean Green Club name...

Smut has the Mustang Club umbrella for Annual Fund (scholarships), Capital Projects, Operational Funds, Sport-specific giving, etc.

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kj86 · December 26, 2022

2 hours ago, NT80 said:

I would like to see The Mean Green Club become a thing again within the Athletic Department. It was donors but also had a social aspect to it. Wren changed it to the MGSF and we lost another part of our history because of it. Keep the MGSF too if needed but The MGC needs to return!

Yes! I always felt like I was a part of something with the MGC. Surely, tax laws don't dictate what you call your donation program. Change it back.

flyonthewall · December 26, 2022

23 hours ago, NT80 said:

It can all be under the Mean Green Club name...

This. Guys come in that don't care anything about tradition. "hey I got an idea, lets change the name of the Mean Green Club to MGSF" I disliked it then and I dislike it now. Instead of building on something, lets change the name, confuse people, and then not grow which is/was the intended consequence, and do so without asking any of your customers/stakeholders what they think.

It is my hope that in 2023 people will start examining the fundraising arm of the athletic department and apply some metrics and goals, then hold people accountable.

stadium naming rights........somebody other than lovelace/mcnatt....lets start here.

Edited December 27, 2022 by flyonthewall

jtm0097 · December 27, 2022

How about we start the Gomeangreen club? Fellow posters of the board can start a fund. We all throw in a monthly fee. Pool the money together and have fun events. We could go to random bars and shoot the shit about the football team. Harry and co could have the podcast going. I don't know, just throwing ideas out there.

tmjerm · December 27, 2022

13 minutes ago, jtm0097 said:

How about we start the Gomeangreen club? Fellow posters of the board can start a fund. We all throw in a monthly fee. Pool the money together and have fun events. We could go to random bars and shoot the shit about the football team. Harry and co could have the podcast going. I don't know, just throwing ideas out there.

That’s the kind of individual ownership we need! Good job! I’m in.

Venson · December 27, 2022

15 minutes ago, jtm0097 said:

How about we start the Gomeangreen club? Fellow posters of the board can start a fund. We all throw in a monthly fee. Pool the money together and have fun events. We could go to random bars and shoot the shit about the football team. Harry and co could have the podcast going. I don't know, just throwing ideas out there.

I am down with this idea. I would be willing to help put it all together.

DentonLurker · December 27, 2022

3 hours ago, flyonthewall said:

This. Guys come in that don't care anything about tradition. "hey I got an idea, lets change the name of the Mean Green Club to MGSF" I disliked it then and I dislike

it now. Instead of building on something, lets change the name, confuse people, and then not grow which is/was the intended consequence, and do so without asking any of your customers/stakeholders what they think.

It is my hope that in 2023 people will start examining the fundraising arm of the athletic department and apply some metrics and goals, then hold people accountable.

stadium naming rights........somebody other than lovelace/mcnatt....lets start here.

This. I’m pretty sure the Mean Green Club was just a name that belonged to UNT and wasn’t a separate entity anyway. I don’t think the change in names had anything to do with tax laws or anything. It was just a preference of AD staff to use a new name.

jtm0097 · December 27, 2022

9 minutes ago, Venson said:

I am down with this idea. I would be willing to help put it all together.

Yeah, I definitely would be down to assist with something like this.

ExADofficeIntern · December 27, 2022

25 minutes ago, jtm0097 said:

How about we start the Gomeangreen club? Fellow posters of the board can start a fund. We all throw in a monthly fee. Pool the money together and have fun events. We could go to random bars and shoot the shit about the football team. Harry and co could have the podcast going. I don't know, just throwing ideas out there.

I would like to get in on this as well… just to add another idea to this as well…

have the event/events held at DFW area mean green alumni businesses. I would also like to think at said events you could see us (if that’s a fair term to use) do some donations that could be used donated for specific projects/programs

Wag Tag · December 27, 2022

You can have the greatest coach in the world, but if you don’t have facilities and NIL money we will never reach out full potential. At least by season tickets and if you have to split up among other fans. This allows to budget and not get crushed on bad weather days! GMG

NT80 · December 27, 2022

11 hours ago, DentonLurker said:

This. I’m pretty sure the Mean Green Club was just a name that belonged to UNT and wasn’t a separate entity anyway. I don’t think the change in names had anything to do with tax laws or anything. It was just a preference of AD staff to use a new name.

The Mean Green Club was definitely a University sponsored entity for Athletics donors, at least two separate times. It was also a social fan group a couple times in the past, and probably the birthplace of GMG.com.

cousin oliver · December 27, 2022

27 minutes ago, NT80 said:

The Mean Green Club was definitely a University sponsored entity for Athletics donors, at least two separate times. It was also a social fan group a couple times in the past, and probably the birthplace of GMG.com.

Who actually started the Mean Green Club? I had always been told it was RV.