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Why did you leave a position as head coach of UIW in December of 2021 to accept an offensive coordinator position at Washington State?   Maybe if UIW was falling off in talent but they had a terrific team in 2022 that went deep into the playoffs.  I am still scratching my head on that decision.

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jtm0097 Grand Master

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If I remember correctly, Eric was working out of a trailer at Incarnate Word. I'm sure the jump to a P5 OC from an FCS HC was a large bump in pay. He took a bet on himself and it worked out. I don't blame him for making the move.

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  On 12/14/2022 at 2:50 PM, jtm0097 said:

If I remember correctly, Eric was working out of a trailer at Incarnate Word. I'm sure the jump to a P5 OC from an FCS HC was a large bump in pay. He took a bet on himself and it worked out. I don't blame him for making the move.

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I am not sure what he was making at Incarnate Word because it is a private school, but he was making $750,000 at Washington State, and I am guessing that is a bump up from a small new FCS program.

It is obviously up for debate, but I would think many would see a coordinator position at a power 5 school as being a higher level position than a head coach in FCS.

Shoot, this year we even saw an active FBS head coach take a coordinator position at another FBS school!

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  On 12/14/2022 at 2:50 PM, jtm0097 said:

If I remember correctly, Eric was working out of a trailer at Incarnate Word. I'm sure the jump to a P5 OC from an FCS HC was a large bump in pay. He took a bet on himself and it worked out. I don't blame him for making the move.

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I would argue the opposite in the scenario you laid out.   When you "bet on yourself", you're saying, "I can succeed despite less resources".    A bump in pay isn't "betting on himself".  It's taking the money.

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  On 12/14/2022 at 2:44 PM, cousin oliver said:

Why did you leave a position as head coach of UIW in December of 2021 to accept an offensive coordinator position at Washington State?   Maybe if UIW was falling off in talent but they had a terrific team in 2022 that went deep into the playoffs.  I am still scratching my head on that decision.

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Meanwhile some people on this board expecting Carthel to leave his HC job to become a coordinator here…

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  On 12/14/2022 at 3:00 PM, MeanGreenTexan said:

I would argue the opposite in the scenario you laid out.   When you "bet on yourself", you're saying, "I can succeed despite less resources".    A bump in pay isn't "betting on himself".  It's taking the money.

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I was thinking along the lines of going from HC to OC and moving your family across the country.

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  On 12/14/2022 at 2:44 PM, cousin oliver said:

Why did you leave a position as head coach of UIW in December of 2021 to accept an offensive coordinator position at Washington State?   Maybe if UIW was falling off in talent but they had a terrific team in 2022 that went deep into the playoffs.  I am still scratching my head on that decision.

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Look where it's lead him.

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UNTLifer Grand Master

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Do you yell at your players?  If so, would you rate your yelling as:

A).  Woody Hayes

B).  Phil Bennett

C).  Seth Littrell after a cup of coffee

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p_phelps Veteran

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  On 12/14/2022 at 2:44 PM, cousin oliver said:

Why did you leave a position as head coach of UIW in December of 2021 to accept an offensive coordinator position at Washington State?   Maybe if UIW was falling off in talent but they had a terrific team in 2022 that went deep into the playoffs.  I am still scratching my head on that decision.

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Maybe a pay raise? Strictly a guess, I know it's probably available to find out but I didn't look 

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