hire A.D. 1st ?

wardly · December 5, 2022

What should our President do? Hire an A.D. first or Head Coach.

outoftown · December 5, 2022

AD first. For sure.

The AD job is more attractive if you get to hire the coach you are gonna ride with right away. The coaching job is less attractive if you will be paired with a later to be named AD who may or may not see you as his guy.

Edited December 5, 2022 by outoftown

rhaprez03-04 · December 5, 2022

This should be a poll

Edited December 5, 2022 by rhaprez03-04

Green Mean · December 5, 2022

We SHOULD hire an AD first and he/she should be able to hire their football coach but I'm not very optimistic that will happen.

Cr1028 · December 5, 2022

I feel differently, I feel like the coaching position is more urgent due to the recruiting timeline. I think the athletic department can go on autopilot under Mosely until a new AD is in place. I know it would be ideal to have the new AD hire the new head coach but I just don’t feel we have that kind of time. We NEED a head coach in place by the bowl game.

Edit: You guys have convinced me. Get the new AD and let him bring in his guy not named Fuente.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Cr1028

UNT Texas Hooligan · December 5, 2022

Just now, Cr1028 said:

I feel differently, I feel like the coaching position is more urgent due to the recruiting timeline. I think the athletic department can go on autopilot under Mosely until a new AD is in place. I know it would be ideal to have the new AD hire the new head coach but I just don’t feel we have that kind of time. We NEED a head coach in place by the bowl game.

I tend to agree with this sentiment. The Transfer Portal changing the landscape of recruiting has really pushed the urgency of finding a new coach that much more

p_phelps · December 5, 2022

You need a HC by the end of the week. Things are moving too quickly in college football right now. It will take a new coach time to assemble a staff. we need that done yesterday

Green Mean · December 5, 2022

Recruiting and the transfer portal will work itself out. There's no reason why an AD cannot be hired first and the first order of business is finding a FB coach. It all comes with the job and hitting the ground running. Forcing a newly hired AD to be stuck with the highest and most important job at the university and having no input and say in it whatsoever is kind of a crummy thing to do. We can work fast and do things the proper way.

GrandGreen · December 5, 2022

I highly doubt any coach you want is going to take a job and not know who his boss will be.

Looking at the returning roster, NT should be loaded next year with the big exception of the QB position.

No one knows if there is a QB here that can play because for some reason, Littrell just did not play backup QB's. I don't count Earl's run package that was used a few times.

Edited December 5, 2022 by GrandGreen

outoftown · December 5, 2022

2 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

I feel differently, I feel like the coaching position is more urgent due to the recruiting timeline. I think the athletic department can go on autopilot under Mosely until a new AD is in place. I know it would be ideal to have the new AD hire the new head coach but I just don’t feel we have that kind of time. We NEED a head coach in place by the bowl game.

I get the feeling and can't fully discount it. But I fear this is too short term thinking and that NT is effed anyway on this recruiting transfer portal window. So may as well take the long term view to get the best candidates in (which then has the AD first).

Also I have this weird feeling (absolutely no info) that Smatresk has already decided on Mosely, but that the coaching search will go a bit wider given that probably a decent number of the names on any made lists are already off the board.

NT93 · December 5, 2022

7 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

I feel differently, I feel like the coaching position is more urgent due to the recruiting timeline. I think the athletic department can go on autopilot under Mosely until a new AD is in place. I know it would be ideal to have the new AD hire the new head coach but I just don’t feel we have that kind of time. We NEED a head coach in place by the bowl game.

I agree that the coaching position is more urgent, but…

2 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

I highly doubt any coach you want is going to take a job and not know who his boss will be.

I feel this may be true as well.

It’s a tough situation, but I hope things have been going on behind the scenes to make it go smoothly.

Greenrex · December 5, 2022

2 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

I feel differently, I feel like the coaching position is more urgent due to the recruiting timeline. I think the athletic department can go on autopilot under Mosely until a new AD is in place. I know it would be ideal to have the new AD hire the new head coach but I just don’t feel we have that kind of time. We NEED a head coach in place by the bowl game.

I understand what you are saying and you make a valid point. On the other hand, I'm hoping for long term service in all positions and I have great expectations that the AD should arrive with a vision and a list of candidates. It's connective... if the new AD hires, then the new AD will be responsible/liable. AD first is a team building method. If the President conducts the coaching search, it indicates to me that he has already chosen the interim AD as the permanent AD.

Old Denton · December 5, 2022

ADs usually inherit their coaches and hire when needed.

DentonLurker · December 5, 2022

Given the timing, I might consider making Jared interim for a year and go ahead and hire a coach. Considering these hires are typically by committee, it’s not ever just the AD’s hire. And you get to see if Jared is a good fit for permanency.

GrayEagle · December 5, 2022

I hope that Mosely is elevated to the Athletic Director. He can take part in the search for the man that he would hire. The coach would know who the AD was and I believe that works better. I hope that the new AD can talk the coach into retaining Cobbs, Clements and possibly Gush. I believe that the running backs, offensive line and linebackers are the real strength of this club. It also could well be that the new coach, especially if it's Fuente, might not be able to hire all of his old staff.

NorthTexasSportsNetwork · December 5, 2022

1 minute ago, GrayEagle said:

I hope that Mosely is elevated to the Athletic Director. He can take part in the search for the man that he would hire. The coach would know who the AD was and I believe that works better. I hope that the new AD can talk the coach into retaining Cobbs, Clements and possibly Gush. I believe that the running backs, offensive line and linebackers are the real strength of this club. It also could well be that the new coach, especially if it's Fuente, might not be able to hire all of his old staff.

I feel like Gush was apart of the Bennett factor

Aquila_Viridis · December 5, 2022

This AD hire is critical and everything else will come from that. Immediate transfer issues and impact on next season are not nearly as important as having a solid AD and coach relationship in place.

MeanGreen4Life1998 · December 5, 2022

Need to get a Head Coach ASAP with the portal open and to get the ball rolling for next season and then get an AD. I would normally say AD first but UNT is in a bad spot with a HC

GrayEagle · December 5, 2022

For now, the interim AD is the AD. Wren and Mosely worked together and I feel comfortable that Mosely will make the right decision except that he would have to work with Neal to determine the amount of salary that he could pay.

NT80 · December 5, 2022

58 minutes ago, Old Denton said:

ADs usually inherit their coaches and hire when needed.

Except when there is an opening for both. AD's want to hire their own football coach. It makes them look good (or not) plus accountable. Schools want an AD to mentor their hire. AD first, football coach second.

MeanGreenTexan · December 5, 2022

37 minutes ago, NT80 said:

Except when there is an opening for both. AD's want to hire their own football coach. It makes them look good (or not) plus accountable. Schools want an AD to mentor their hire. AD first, football coach second.

This didn't seem to hamper us from getting Wren.

Matt from A700 · December 5, 2022

The school could save a lot of money if they just gave control of the AD to the loyal members of GMG.com.

dml7007 · December 5, 2022

2 hours ago, wardly said:

What should our President do? Hire an A.D. first or Head Coach.

IS this Alan Ward coming to visit our board for insight on coming back to be AD.

NT80 · December 5, 2022

29 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

This didn't seem to hamper us from getting Wren.

Neal hired Seth before Wren was hired. Lesson learned. Wren did not want to deal with Seth's ouster since it wasn't his rodeo, thus Neal had to be the guy to cut him loose.

MeanGreenTexan · December 5, 2022

4 minutes ago, NT80 said:

Neal hired Seth before Wren was hired. Lesson learned. Wren did not want to deal with Seth's ouster since it wasn't his rodeo, thus Neal had to be the guy to cut him loose.

What lesson was learned? Wren extended Littrell not once, but twice. Littrell was his guy too.

I have no doubt Wren voiced his opinion of Littrell to Neal for quite a while now. And if he wasn't hired away by WVU, the release would have come from Wren himself.