In defense of Littrell

JT Hammons · November 18, 2022

When Seth was hired he had tons of other options but chose to be the HC at UNT because he loved the place and saw the potential here. He still does and there is not a job he would rather have in the world. Which is why he turned down K-State when they came calling. Let that sink in for a minute, we have a coach that loves being here. He does not see this as a stepping stone like Dodge did or a retirement package like McCarney did.

And unlike Dickey, he has never said a bad thing about UNT, including the administration as well as the fans. He's never proclaimed things are "tough at North Texas" as many of his predecessors have. So I think some, not all of you need to be extremely careful about your bloodlust to run Seth out of town and put such a black mark on his career.

Part of the problem is everyone on here seems to think UNT can do better than Seth. Most others would disagree and would say be careful what you wish for.

When Seth arrived, this place was an absolute mess. UNT had just lost to a D III squad by 59 points, the biggest FCS win over an FBS team in history! Seth immediately turned a hapless program into a proud bowl team in HIS FIRST SEASON IN THE JOB FOLKS! After this season he will have led UNT to 6 bowls in 7 years. Think about that. That is a phenomenal record at a place like UNT.

He is the only coach since Hayden Fry to beat a top 25 team and he has taken the program to more bowls than Fry or any other coach in the history of UNT. And this season, he very well may win the conference! He has always run a very clean program with no NCAA infractions and he also has some of the highest GPA scores of any regime in the history of UNT.

On top of all this, the players love Seth. If he leaves I would anticipate major defections will occur. Firing Seth would set this program back years especially as it heads to a new conference. There would have never been a Mason Fine if it had not been for Seth's ability to identify talent. The players want to play for him.

I beg you, please keep an open mind and give Seth an extension that in line with what he deserves. The grass is not always greener on the other side. This program needs stability, and patience. There are brighter days ahead for all of you if you will give Seth a chance to finish the job he started.

untbowler · November 18, 2022

please tell me you are trolling?

Sure SL never has said a mean word about UNT, but he is making $2 million a year will little expectations, he has the best facilities of any UNT coach and yet he is batting .500, under .500 if you take out the FCS cupcake games.

Ironic his 2 best seasons were with DMac Recruits. He has enjoyed a below average CUSA and still can not succeed.

UNT deserves a coach who actually wants to be here, not with a foot out the door after Year 1, yes he was already looking, so don't spout UNT should be so grateful that SL "chose" to come here.

MGNation92 · November 18, 2022

Yes, we should be ever so grateful for a career .500 coach with no bowl wins or conference championships in 7 years. We should give him even more money!

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untphd · November 18, 2022

Again with the "at a place like North Texas."

GRN-WHT · November 18, 2022

Hi Mrs Littrell,

I know missing out on social hour at the Vaquero Club will be very devastating for you, but it’s way past time for you and your husband to kindly GTFO.

UNT Texas Hooligan · November 18, 2022

29 minutes ago, JT Hammons said:

When Seth was hired he had tons of other options but chose to be the HC at UNT because he loved the place and saw the potential here. He still does and there is not a job he would rather have in the world. Which is why he turned down K-State when they came calling.   Let that sink in for a minute, we have a coach that loves being here. He does not see this as a stepping stone like Dodge did or a retirement package like McCarney did.

And unlike Dickey, he has never said a bad thing about UNT, including the administration as well as the fans. He's never proclaimed things are "tough at North Texas" as many of his predecessors have. So I think some, not all of you need to be extremely careful about your bloodlust to run Seth out of town and put such a black mark on his career.

Part of the problem is everyone on here seems to think UNT can do better than Seth. Most others would disagree and would say be careful what you wish for.

When Seth arrived, this place was an absolute mess. UNT had just lost to a D III squad by 59 points, the biggest FCS win over an FBS team in history! Seth immediately turned a hapless program into a proud bowl team in HIS FIRST SEASON IN THE JOB FOLKS! After this season he will have led UNT to 6 bowls in 7 years. Think about that. That is a phenomenal record at a place like UNT.

He is the only coach since Hayden Fry to beat a top 25 team and he has taken the program to more bowls than Fry or any other coach in the history of UNT. And this season, he very well may win the conference!   He has always run a very clean program with no NCAA infractions and he also has some of the highest GPA scores of any regime in the history of UNT.

On top of all this, the players love Seth. If he leaves I would anticipate major defections will occur. Firing Seth would set this program back years especially as it heads to a new conference.   There would have never been a Mason Fine if it had not been for Seth's ability to identify talent. The players want to play for him.

I beg you, please keep an open mind and give Seth an extension that in line with what he deserves. The grass is not always greener on the other side. This program needs stability, and patience. There are brighter days ahead for all of you if you will give Seth a chance to finish the job he started.

You know what? You've convinced me. Forget the 0 bowl wins, 0 conference championships, .500 or below overall record, abysmal record against teams with a winning record, broken record of teams falling apart at crucial moments in the season, etc. We should just go ahead and fire up the extension tomorrow. Thank you for your wisdom. Why should we strive for more at Little Ole' UNT?

Edited November 18, 2022 by UNT Texas Hooligan

Matt from A700 · November 18, 2022

38 minutes ago, JT Hammons said:

When Seth was hired he had tons of other options but chose to be the HC at UNT because he loved the place and saw the potential here. He still does and there is not a job he would rather have in the world. Which is why he turned down K-State when they came calling.   Let that sink in for a minute, we have a coach that loves being here. He does not see this as a stepping stone like Dodge did or a retirement package like McCarney did.

And unlike Dickey, he has never said a bad thing about UNT, including the administration as well as the fans. He's never proclaimed things are "tough at North Texas" as many of his predecessors have. So I think some, not all of you need to be extremely careful about your bloodlust to run Seth out of town and put such a black mark on his career.

Part of the problem is everyone on here seems to think UNT can do better than Seth. Most others would disagree and would say be careful what you wish for.

When Seth arrived, this place was an absolute mess. UNT had just lost to a D III squad by 59 points, the biggest FCS win over an FBS team in history! Seth immediately turned a hapless program into a proud bowl team in HIS FIRST SEASON IN THE JOB FOLKS! After this season he will have led UNT to 6 bowls in 7 years. Think about that. That is a phenomenal record at a place like UNT.

He is the only coach since Hayden Fry to beat a top 25 team and he has taken the program to more bowls than Fry or any other coach in the history of UNT. And this season, he very well may win the conference!   He has always run a very clean program with no NCAA infractions and he also has some of the highest GPA scores of any regime in the history of UNT.

On top of all this, the players love Seth. If he leaves I would anticipate major defections will occur. Firing Seth would set this program back years especially as it heads to a new conference.   There would have never been a Mason Fine if it had not been for Seth's ability to identify talent. The players want to play for him.

I beg you, please keep an open mind and give Seth an extension that in line with what he deserves. The grass is not always greener on the other side. This program needs stability, and patience. There are brighter days ahead for all of you if you will give Seth a chance to finish the job he started.

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Mo Green · November 18, 2022

He's from Oklahoma!

C Rod · November 18, 2022

50 minutes ago, JT Hammons said:

Let that sink in for a minute, we have a coach that loves ~~being here~~ making 2 million dollars per year.

Fixed it for you.

El Paso Eagle · November 18, 2022

51 minutes ago, JT Hammons said:

On top of all this, the players love Seth. If he leaves I would anticipate major defections will occur. Firing Seth would set this program back years especially as it heads to a new conference. There would have never been a Mason Fine if it had not been for Seth's ability to identify talent. The players want to play for him.

As if the entirety of your message was not full of enough 💩, this comments show you do not have a freaking clue.

untphd · November 18, 2022

He is here and they are still leaving. It would be great if replaced Mason with another Mason , but he didn't.

Wag Tag · November 18, 2022

Seth is a great guy that is loyal and doesn't Bull Shit. I have never heard make excuses for losses.

We might be the only school in the country that bitches about the head coach compensation, but the majority supported it at the time. W-L is the deciding factor. The good news is he and the team have control over their destiny. He wins a Championship he will be back.

If we lose Seth he will have no problem landing on his feet. He is very well respected in the coaching community and I believe most coaches on the outside looking in believe he has done a good job.

Jonnyeagle · November 18, 2022

There is nothing personal about this it’s a matter of expectations are much different. In fact if we were staying in CUSA Seth might have done fine. We have to do better in the AAC. I do respect how Seth has handled his time here though and if a separation occurs it should be handled in a classy way I hope.

rcade · November 18, 2022

1 hour ago, JT Hammons said:

When Seth was hired he had tons of other options but chose to be the HC at UNT because he loved the place and saw the potential here. He still does and there is not a job he would rather have in the world. Which is why he turned down K-State when they came calling.

Littrell didn't turn down Kansas State because of loyalty to UNT. Negotiations broke down over the retention of assistant coaches and the buyout clause. K State had concerns that he would bolt to coach Oklahoma if Lincoln Riley left.

https://www.cjonline.com/story/sports/college/cat-zone/2018/12/07/north-texas-seth-littrell-reportedly-backs-away-from-kansas-state/6746244007/

I don't believe in coach loyalty or player loyalty. Anyone who can move up by leaving will leave.

The same goes for schools. If they can make a coaching change to better themselves, they will.

We don't need loyalty from Littrell. We need wins.

Edited November 18, 2022 by rcade

keith · November 18, 2022

1 hour ago, MGNation92 said:

Yes, we should be ever so grateful for a career .500 coach with no bowl wins or conference championships in 7 years. We should give him even more money!

6 years and one was a waste of a season with the Covid crap, but I understand your frustration. We need to let this season play out to see if we win any conference championships or bowl games in 7 years.

southsideguy · November 18, 2022

During the Fry era they were not a lot of bowl games. With his record in this day and age he would be in bowl game every year. I bet he would have won a few along the way. SL is no Haden Fry. Look at who Fry was playing during the season.

Yeah I don't want to fall off the cliff like LATECH did. If we were in the AAC this year we would have a losing record and would not be going to a bowl.

I still think Holtz would be a good candidate for the HC job.

JT Hammonds=Sexton?

Edited November 18, 2022 by southsideguy

meangreenbob · November 18, 2022

1 hour ago, C Rod said:

Fixed it for you.

2 million and don’t forget, no accountability.

cousin oliver · November 18, 2022

I have stated if Seth beats Rice and wins the championship game against UTSA he deserves a small 2 year extension. nothing you have stared is changing my mind on this.

untphd · November 18, 2022

How small would that be?

Wag Tag · November 18, 2022

6 minutes ago, meangreenbob said:

2 million and don’t forget, no accountability.

Again what a bunch of BS. You would be ok if he was making $1M? It is wins and losses period! He is being held accountable every day, because his record is there for all to see.

Cooke County Kid · November 18, 2022

I agree that SL has done a lot of good things in his tenure at UNT. It is now time to let us say thank you SL, take another step up and go hire a WINNER and pay him what it might cost. We “Found” the money for SL and we can find it for his replacement!

greenminer · November 18, 2022

This poster's profile says there are 20 posts, but I only see 2. Why is that?

keith · November 18, 2022

55 minutes ago, meangreenbob said:

2 million and don’t forget, no accountability.

I don't know why people are so hung up on how much he makes or thinks it's too much. We should be happy because it basically means at a minimum this amount is already "in the budget" and if we need to up the ante for a new coach we're starting with this as a base and not something a lot lower. He's also held accountable to the terms and conditions of his contract and as far as any of us know has not violated any of them. So, I don't get that either.

Got5onIt · November 18, 2022

KState wouldn’t allow him to bring certain coaches, according to the rumor on why he ultimately turned it down. Says a lot about him and his character and his relationships with his coaches, I guess. Still though, he’s had his time here. It’s time to get out.

This has to be MrAlien trolling under another account. The same NT should be grateful for being the dogs ass of college football tone…

Edited November 18, 2022 by Got5onIt