From The Biggest Seth Homer SInce Day 1: It's Time For Change

[TheReal_jayD]

It’s time for change. I have always been the biggest Seth cheerleader since December 2015. But after seven year I believe it is more than enough of a sample size to pull the trigger. Disclaimer I don't think Wren will put that trigger until after the last game. But I think it has to and will be done after the season. The stats below are enough to old yeller Seth.

Record in non-conference games 12-19

Record in post season 0-6

Combine that with the lack of energy, enthusiasm and charisma. It’s a recipe for disaster.  Not to mention the difficulties he has had finding a DC and QB to off the most important positions on a football team. Now I do think Phil Bennett is one of the best DC in the country. I think this defense is just extremely young. Hell, this team as a whole is extremely young. I believe we have between 5 and 7 seniors starting each week. When you have teams like SMU and UTSA starting 18 plus. I think that makes a huge difference. I blame that on Seth roster management. The lack of aggression in the beginning of the portal days. To now you rarely see this team bring in an immediate impact starter that lacks multiple years of eligibility left. I think this staff and roster is the best we have seen at North Texas since probably 2013. But I think they need a new voice and captain leading the ship. I believe the team is as tired of hearing the same "at the end of the day" BS as the fans are. At the END OF THE DAY Seth Littrell teams have falling short in every game that matters. Dickey and Dodge had excuses. McCarthy had health issues. Seth has zero excuses. He has had more resources, budget and facilities than any other coach in CUSA since the day he arrived. And he hasn't converted that into success on the field.

Now what will the post Seth era look like. I look at Wren most successful hires so far. Rodney Delong and Grant McCasland. What do they have in common? Head coaching experience, local ties, energy and winning record at multiple records. I don't want to hear that UNT is just a basketball school. We have all the resources to be able to be successful at both. The North Texas program has improved in many aspects in the last 7 years. It just time for change to take the program to the next level. GMG

 

Edited September 18, 2022 by Coach Andy Mac

[tmjerm]

I too have finally arrived at this point after yesterday.  It’s over.  

[NorthTexasWeLove]

Outside of the 2015 football season, we are currently, as it sits today, in no better shape than we were before SL arrived on campus. I only state this due to your bending over backwards post to smear lipstick all over this pig. SL is a bad football coach. There is no other way to state the obvious. 

[Wag Tag]

The one thing that kept me excited for Seth is his improvement with recruiting, except for this year.

There is high school recruited talent on this roster. Everybody else has transfer talent that has experience and been highly rated in some cases. Phil's drive and philosophy has not changed, the talent level has.

I have bitched about the weight room (5,000 sq ft for all sports) and the rehab area for many years. This area needs to be addressed now and not be waiting on the master plan. Put money into this area and the NIL. " Help me develop and pay me" is the future of college football.

We are a force and talent in every sport except football. I feel confident that Wren will hire a coach with head coaching experience, at what level will be determine by the pay and what improvements are we going to make.

[tmjerm]

Hold on now, we owe Seth the respect he’s due. We had some fun, won some games, increased our talent and made a bunch of bowl games.  We still aren’t winning them and haven’t had a significant win in a long time but don’t ignore his impact.   It’s over and I’m done but I appreciate the advancement - and we have indeed advanced.  

[GRN-WHT]

5 minutes ago, tmjerm said:

Hold on now, we owe Seth the respect he’s due. We had some fun, won some games, increased our talent and made a bunch of bowl games.  We still aren’t winning them and haven’t had a significant win in a long time but don’t ignore his impact.   It’s over and I’m done but I appreciate the advancement - and we have indeed advanced.  

Advanced??

He’ll be lucky to win 4 games in the worst conference in the country. This team will be lucky to win 2 games next season even with a new coach. 
 

We’ve regressed back to Todd Dodge territory. 

[Tom McKrackin]

45 minutes ago, Wag Tag said:

The one thing that kept me excited for Seth is his improvement with recruiting, except for this year.

There is high school recruited talent on this roster. Everybody else has transfer talent that has experience and been highly rated in some cases. Phil's drive and philosophy has not changed, the talent level has.

I have bitched about the weight room (5,000 sq ft for all sports) and the rehab area for many years. This area needs to be addressed now and not be waiting on the master plan. Put money into this area and the NIL. " Help me develop and pay me" is the future of college football.

We are a force and talent in every sport except football. I feel confident that Wren will hire a coach with head coaching experience, at what level will be determine by the pay and what improvements are we going to make.

You say Seth has been recruiting talent except one year?  Where exactly is it?  Is he redshirting everyone so we can get drive by weak teams like UNLV?  Please explain.  Because I don’t think Seth can recruit worth a damn.

[Tom McKrackin]

24 minutes ago, tmjerm said:

Hold on now, we owe Seth the respect he’s due. We had some fun, won some games, increased our talent and made a bunch of bowl games.  We still aren’t winning them and haven’t had a significant win in a long time but don’t ignore his impact.   It’s over and I’m done but I appreciate the advancement - and we have indeed advanced.  

I can buy into that because Seth has never said a mean word about North Texas but on the other hand I will not allow us to whitewash over all of his blunders and I’ll advised decisions and hirings.

[TheReal_jayD]

1 hour ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Outside of the 2015 football season, we are currently, as it sits today, in no better shape than we were before SL arrived on campus. I only state this due to your bending over backwards post to smear lipstick all over this pig. SL is a bad football coach. There is no other way to state the obvious. 

Agree to disagree. This roster is talented and deep. The problem is we are young across the board. And well above average in a couple key positions. QB and CB ring a bell. 

[tmjerm]

10 minutes ago, Tom McKrackin said:

I can buy into that because Seth has never said a mean word about North Texas but on the other hand I will not allow us to whitewash over all of his blunders and I’ll advised decisions and hirings.

Gagreed, just saying there are some respects to be paid despite the need to move on 

[Marty]

agree, just think he should have been fired at the end of last season. There's no energy or sense of urgency in the program anymore. 

[p_phelps]

1 hour ago, Wag Tag said:

The one thing that kept me excited for Seth is his improvement with recruiting, except for this year.

There is high school recruited talent on this roster. Everybody else has transfer talent that has experience and been highly rated in some cases. Phil's drive and philosophy has not changed, the talent level has.

I have bitched about the weight room (5,000 sq ft for all sports) and the rehab area for many years. This area needs to be addressed now and not be waiting on the master plan. Put money into this area and the NIL. " Help me develop and pay me" is the future of college football.

We are a force and talent in every sport except football. I feel confident that Wren will hire a coach with head coaching experience, at what level will be determine by the pay and what improvements are we going to make.

most of the best HS recruits aren't on this roster anymore. 

[southsideguy]

I think at this time he is just going through the motions.

[UNT Family Man]

The roster has more consistent depth than before he arrived. He and the staff have failed at the portal — huge. JuCo as well— fail. 
 

Alec Morris— Alabama; Austin Aune— TCU (committ), NY Yankees, Arkansas; Jace Ruder— UNC; Armani Gillmore— Kentucky; JD Head— La Tech; Earle— Tarlton.  He has gone to the portal for P5’s predominately at the Qb position but has swung and missed. He also prefers big athletes at the position over pure passers. Miss again.

Replacing staff was another problem— OC, DC, and Qb coach. He ran off some others than we’re good to great recruiters. 
 

Would love to see the move after Memphis— Start on the process and name the new person the day after the season ends. Trying to salvage the December recruiting period. Also, would allow the team to refocus against a weak CUSA schedule either building momentum (and not allowing it to be credited to Mumbles) or complete train wreck and we can blame it on a Mumbles hangover.

If Wren finds and names them, then they can build an AAC staff, hopefully retain our best players, and recruit. 

Edited September 18, 2022 by UNT Family Man

[Cr1028]

3 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Outside of the 2015 football season, we are currently, as it sits today, in no better shape than we were before SL arrived on campus. I only state this due to your bending over backwards post to smear lipstick all over this pig. SL is a bad football coach. There is no other way to state the obvious. 

I think it is time for him to go also but I don’t agree at all that we are as bad off as we were in 2015. No chance.

[Cr1028]

2 minutes ago, texx2818 said:

Are you paying attention? UNLV had mercy on us. UTSA won’t. Expect a 72-7 drubbing.

You obviously don’t remember what it was like in 2015 or 2008 if you think this year is as bad as those.

[Glory to the Green]

I’m not quite ready, but I can understand where you guys are coming from.  The two losses on the season have been freaking awful, but it’s still only two losses. I’m willing to give the team/SL a few more games, but yesterday was tough to watch. 

[tmjerm]

5 minutes ago, texx2818 said:

Are you paying attention? UNLV had mercy on us. UTSA won’t. Expect a 72-7 drubbing.

I am.  I want a new coach.  Don’t revisionist history though.  The man achieved some shit.  If you can’t acknowledge that at the same time as wanting change then I don’t get you. 

[tmjerm]

2 minutes ago, texx2818 said:

I spent like $600 for an RV pass and invited people from out of state to watch us get laughed off the field by Marshall. What have you done other than simp?

Hahaha I can only assume that’s directed to me.  I’m not mad at you, I know it’s frustrating times.  If you’re wanting to measure, I’ve done more than that and using the word “simp” is a real simp thing to do.  Congrats on your $600.  We want the same thing and I want to party with you someday about our success. I get you’re mad, me too.  Seth did some stuff though and ignoring that isn’t right so I’ll die on that hill I guess. 

[southsideguy]

It has gotten so bad I might be out town for the LATECH and I don't want to give my tickets to anyone because I embarrassed on how we play and get curb stomped

[tmjerm]

Just now, texx2818 said:

Actually wasn’t referring to you for simping, but it was a perfect term.

Rage out my dawg 

[meangreenbob]

7 minutes ago, texx2818 said:

What has he achieved? 0-6? 30K fans for LaTech (still no sell out)? Destroying Fine’s career?

Exactly. What the hell has he been doing for the last SIX years besides depositing those big checks? 

[Marty]

44 minutes ago, UNT Family Man said:

Replacing staff was another problem— OC, DC, and Qb coach. He ran off some others than we’re good to great recruiters. 
 

 

Tommy Perry

[Cr1028]

18 minutes ago, texx2818 said:

I’ve been around this program (and even part of it) for a long time and you are simply relying on recency bias.

When UTSA drubs us by 60 what will you say then?

I will say they are a good FBS team that nearly beat Texas. I won’t be saying that we experienced the worst FBS loss to a FCS team in the history of college football on homecoming in a game we paid them for.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

35 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

I think it is time for him to go also but I don’t agree at all that we are as bad off as we were in 2015. No chance.

UNLV is to the MWC what FIU is to CUSA and they boatraced us out of town. If they wanted, 70 could've been on that scoreboard. For crying out loud, UNLV went 2-10 last year. We. Are. Awful.