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The model also marks a significant win for the Group of 5 conferences, which produced their first CFP participant in the four-team system last year (Cincinnati) and unanimously supported the 12-team proposal. At least one Group of 5 program will make the 12-team playoff annually, and the improved profiles of leagues such as the AAC and Sun Belt increase the chances of two Group of 5 participants in some years. Although Group of 5 participants likely will be road teams playing in first-round matchups, they finally have a true seat at the table.

 

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49 minutes ago, cousin oliver said:

The model also marks a significant win for the Group of 5 conferences, which produced their first CFP participant in the four-team system last year (Cincinnati) and unanimously supported the 12-team proposal. At least one Group of 5 program will make the 12-team playoff annually, and the improved profiles of leagues such as the AAC and Sun Belt increase the chances of two Group of 5 participants in some years. Although Group of 5 participants likely will be road teams playing in first-round matchups, they finally have a true seat at the table.

 

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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34509512/college-football-playoff-expansion-answering-biggest-lingering-questions?platform=amp

How exactly is the AAC profile improved? They just lost UH, Cincy, and UCF to the Big 12. Those three are probably amongst the 5 best G5 programs since they started allowing the G5 to play in a BCS bowl game.

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7 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

How exactly is the AAC profile improved? They just lost UH, Cincy, and UCF to the Big 12. Those three are probably amongst the 5 best G5 programs since they started allowing the G5 to play in a BCS bowl game.

Jim, we're just going to have to up our game and make sure we take our seat.

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27 minutes ago, Hunter Green said:

Jim, we're just going to have to up our game and make sure we take our seat.

Exactly. At some point we've got to latch onto others' momentum and up our game to meet their set standard. Can't keep depending on the conference name to carry us, although it certainly helps in public perception.

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9 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

How exactly is the AAC profile improved? They just lost UH, Cincy, and UCF to the Big 12. Those three are probably amongst the 5 best G5 programs since they started allowing the G5 to play in a BCS bowl game.

You understand that people like you said the same exact thing about UH Cincy and others when they joined the AAC and whatnot?  The key is the AAC provides a vehicle to build your program and now with access to the playoffs that just increases their value.

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3 hours ago, cousin oliver said:

You understand that people like you said the same exact thing about UH Cincy and others when they joined the AAC and whatnot?  The key is the AAC provides a vehicle to build your program and now with access to the playoffs that just increases their value.

Never said that once. Those teams have a long history of being good or great. And UCF took advantage  of their location and talent (must be nice), so no, nobody with a brain thought they were watering down the AAC.

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32 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Never said that once. Those teams have a long history of being good or great. And UCF took advantage  of their location and talent (must be nice), so no, nobody with a brain thought they were watering down the AAC.

Dude you are probably one of the most respected posters on here but we just have to disagree on this. UH was Cougar high just a few years ago and the Big 12 wouldn’t touch them.  Heck man we beat Cincy in the New Orleans bowl not that long ago.  

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15 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

How exactly is the AAC profile improved? They just lost UH, Cincy, and UCF to the Big 12. Those three are probably amongst the 5 best G5 programs since they started allowing the G5 to play in a BCS bowl game.

UAB, UTSA, ECU, Temple, SMU, FAU, Memphis, USF and Navy have all had nationally ranked seasons of note. None of them are named UCF, UH, or UC. What can't happen is a CLT losing to William and Mary. That shitbed can't happen and when it inevitably does, it has to be rare. Don't be such a debbie downer. That same group named has us, Tulane, Tulsa and Rice. If which all 4 has a history of success. It's certainly an upgrade. 

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19 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

UAB, UTSA, ECU, Temple, SMU, FAU, Memphis, USF and Navy have all had nationally ranked seasons of note. None of them are named UCF, UH, or UC. What can't happen is a CLT losing to William and Mary. That shitbed can't happen and when it inevitably does, it has to be rare. Don't be such a debbie downer. That same group named has us, Tulane, Tulsa and Rice. If which all 4 has a history of success. It's certainly an upgrade. 

Yeah, I enjoyed watching UNT, UTSA, Charlotte, UAB, FAU, and Rice make it to BCS bowl games like UH, Cincy, and UCF have done…no wonder SMU is so thrilled to stay in this new conference!! I am sure they wouldn’t leave at the first chance possible, at all.

This is why people think we have a really smart fanbase.

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37 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Yeah, I enjoyed watching UNT, UTSA, Charlotte, UAB, FAU, and Rice make it to BCS bowl games like UH, Cincy, and UCF have done…no wonder SMU is so thrilled to stay in this new conference!! I am sure they wouldn’t leave at the first chance possible, at all.

This is why people think we have a really smart fanbase.

If that's your good program indicator then good luck. 

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21 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

If that's your good program indicator then good luck. 

I would imagine it’s the conference’s indicator, no? That’s P6, amirite?

Otherwise, it would appear very spare to those left behind in the AAC…and by reading from our resident Pony fans that seem to enjoy being here, they think it’s extremely spare…so do Tulane, ECU, USF, and Memphis.

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This 12-team playoff sounds like the first time North Texas (and every other G5 school) has an actual path to the national championship: Win your conference as the highest ranked G5 team, then win all your playoff games.


Obviously the odds are stacked against us, just like they would be to win the NCAA basketball tournament, but give me "unlikely but possible" any day over "completely bleeping impossible."

Has anyone seen data on the highest ranked G5 team in recent years at the time of year a 12-team playoff field would be set?

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10 minutes ago, rcade said:

Has anyone seen data on the highest ranked G5 team in recent years at the time of year a 12-team playoff field would be set?

From https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/31611084/college-football-playoff-expansion-12-team-historic-simulations-storylines-more

2014

First round

  • 9 Ole Miss (9-3) at 8 Michigan State (10-2)

  • 12 Boise State (11-2) at 5 Baylor (11-1)

  • 11 Kansas State (9-3) at 6 TCU (11-1)

  • 10 Arizona (10-3) at 7 Mississippi State (10-2)

 

2015

First round

  • 9 Florida State (10-2) at 8 Notre Dame (10-2)

  • 12 Houston (12-1) at 5 Iowa (12-1)

  • 11 TCU (10-2) at 6 Stanford (11-2)

  • 10 North Carolina (11-2) at 7 Ohio State (11-1)

 

2016

First round

  • 9 USC (9-3) at 8 Wisconsin (10-3)

  • 12 Western Michigan (13-0) at 5 Ohio State (11-1)

  • 11 Florida State (9-3) at 6 Michigan (10-2)

  • 10 Colorado (10-3) at 7 Oklahoma (10-2)

2017

First round

  • 9 Penn State (10-2) at 8 USC (11-2)

  • 12 UCF (12-0) at 5 Alabama (11-1)

  • 11 Washington (10-2) at 6 Wisconsin (12-1)

  • 10 Miami (10-2) at 7 Auburn (10-3)

2018

First round

  • 9 Washington (10-3) at 8 UCF (12-0)

  • 12 Penn State (9-3) at 5 Notre Dame (12-0)

  • 11 LSU (9-3) at 6 Georgia (11-2)

  • 10 Florida (9-3) at 7 Michigan (10-2)

 

2019

First round

  • 9 Florida (10-2) at 8 Wisconsin (10-3)

  • 12 Memphis (12-1) at 5 Georgia (11-2)

  • 11 Utah (11-2) at 6 Oregon (11-2)

  • 10 Penn State (10-2) at 7 Baylor (11-2)

 

2020

First round

  • 9 Georgia (7-2) at 8 Cincinnati (9-0)

  • 12 Coastal Carolina (11-0) at 5 Notre Dame (10-1)

  • 11 Indiana (6-1) at 6 Texas A&M (8-1)

  • 10 Iowa State (8-3) at 7 Florida (8-3)

2021

First round

  • 9 Oklahoma State (11-2) at 8 Ole Miss (10-2)

  • 12 Pittsburgh (11-2) at 5 Georgia (13-0)

  • 11 Utah (10-3) at 6 Notre Dame (11-1)

  • 10 Michigan State (10-2) at 7 Ohio State (10-2)

 

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30 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

I would imagine it’s the conference’s indicator, no? That’s P6, amirite?

Otherwise, it would appear very spare to those left behind in the AAC…and by reading from our resident Pony fans that seem to enjoy being here, they think it’s extremely spare…so do Tulane, ECU, USF, and Memphis.

Those programs you named are going to an already established conference that will dictate one of those 6 slots, their incoming new TV deal will see to that. You're just a debbie downer. Yes, the AAC will become weaker. It's up to the current and incoming members to keep the AAC up to standard. There's a P6 slot up for grabs and the CFB committe made that clear. The AAC already self proclaimed themselves just that. We must keep it going. I can guarantee you the MWC, AAC and SunBelt will be vying for positioning. Exactly, what is your point? 

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2 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Those programs you named are going to an already established conference that will dictate one of those 6 slots, their incoming new TV deal will see to that. You're just a debbie downer. Yes, the AAC will become weaker. It's up to the current and incoming members to keep the AAC up to standard. There's a P6 slot up for grabs and the CFB committe made that clear. The AAC already self proclaimed themselves just that. We must keep it going. I can guarantee you the MWC, AAC and SunBelt will be vying for positioning. Exactly, what is your point? 

But you said it was an upgrade?

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That the eventual new version of the AAC is better than CUSA? That's clown? 

Dumbass, the entire conversation has been about the reality that the AAC isn’t upgraded with adding in all of us while losing the three schools that made them trumpet being P6. 
 

UNT getting out of CUSA is obviously an upgrade. Claiming the AAC is upgrading with us is clown-show…

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24 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Dumbass, the entire conversation has been about the reality that the AAC isn’t upgraded with adding in all of us while losing the three schools that made them trumpet being P6. 
 

UNT getting out of CUSA is obviously an upgrade. Claiming the AAC is upgrading with us is clown-show…

Yeah, yeah. Keyboard warrior. Carry on. 

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6 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

UAB, UTSA, ECU, Temple, SMU, FAU, Memphis, USF and Navy have all had nationally ranked seasons of note.

UAB, UTSA, and FAU have never finished ranked.

ECU has finished top 10 in 1991. Only other time they finished ranked was 1983.

SMU  hasn't finished ranked since 1984

Temple finished ranked once in 1979.

Memphis, USF, and Navy have finished ranked multiple times recently.  USF for the 1st times in 2016 and 2017.  Memphis also for the 1st times in 2014, 2017, and 2019.

Not mentioned Tulsa finished ranked in 2010 and was ranked multiple times in the 2000s

Also not mentioned Tulane finished ranked more recently than most of the teams mentioned ending top 10 in 1998.

So USF and Memphis show it can be done even if it had never been done before

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54 minutes ago, NTXCoog said:

UAB, UTSA, and FAU have never finished ranked.

ECU has finished top 10 in 1991. Only other time they finished ranked was 1983.

SMU  hasn't finished ranked since 1984

Temple finished ranked once in 1979.

Memphis, USF, and Navy have finished ranked multiple times recently.  USF for the 1st times in 2016 and 2017.  Memphis also for the 1st times in 2014, 2017, and 2019.

Not mentioned Tulsa finished ranked in 2010 and was ranked multiple times in the 2000s

Also not mentioned Tulane finished ranked more recently than most of the teams mentioned ending top 10 in 1998.

So USF and Memphis show it can be done even if it had never been done before

I guess you’ll be called a keyboard warrior too…

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