College Football Playoff board of managers to meet, with 'momentum' toward playoff expansion

[NT80]

American Athletic Conference commissioner Mike Aresco said his conference is open to 12 or 16 teams, and that giving all 10 FBS conference champions automatic bids, "that would be ideal."

"That would energize and really help college football become much healthier," Aresco said. "It would make championship game weekend enormous. We think a 16-team playoff is something we absolutely should consider, and if it included 10 automatic and six at-larges it would be great for college football."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34497744/sources-cfp-board-managers-meet-momentum-playoff-expansion

 

[untjim1995]

This is how the P5 commissioners are laughing at the idea of G5s getting an automatic bid

[untphd]

8 hours ago, NT80 said:

American Athletic Conference commissioner Mike Aresco said his conference is open to 12 or 16 teams, and that giving all 10 FBS conference champions automatic bids, "that would be ideal."

"That would energize and really help college football become much healthier," Aresco said. "It would make championship game weekend enormous. We think a 16-team playoff is something we absolutely should consider, and if it included 10 automatic and six at-larges it would be great for college football."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34497744/sources-cfp-board-managers-meet-momentum-playoff-expansion

 

D2 and D3 have 28 and 32 team playoffs. I have followed it for years. Is it perfect, no. Is it a lot better than what D1 has, hell yea. All conference champions should be in the playoffs.

[DentonLurker]

1 hour ago, untphd said:

All conference champions should be in the playoffs.

I agree with this completely, but I don’t think the P5’s will ever let it happen. They’re not willing to split that pie any further than they have to.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

This would, over time, create parity throughout the sport. So, therefore, it will never be allowed by the big walleted and the puppeted strung politicians. It's shameful that something so simple and reasonable will never be allowed by what is relatively a small group of people. 

[MeanGreen22]

The compromise will end up being all P5 champs get auto bids, 3 at-large with 1 guaranteed to a G5 school. It’s been setup to go down like that for a while. 

[MrAlien]

what works for college football is big teams and rivalry games played in front of packed stadiums and broadcast on national TV... very few bowl games and even some playoff games can fill a stadium, the interest just does not seem to be there. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

4 minutes ago, MrAlien said:

what works for college football is big teams and rivalry games played in front of packed stadiums and broadcast on national TV... very few bowl games and even some playoff games can fill a stadium, the interest just does not seem to be there. 

The interest of consumption is certainly there. That's why conferences are entering into the billion dollar TV deal realm. The interest of physically entering into stadiums is waning. The game productions of major television companies is just way better than anything in-person, unless of course you're an absolute die-hard fan. 

[southsideguy]

I like the atmosphere at the game.  The people I sit around every year, the band.  I love game day live, I hate the red man who slows the game down for commercials for tv.  I love how everyone is sitting/standing around waiting for red man to give them the sign it is ok to start the game again.

[MrAlien]

13 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

The interest of consumption is certainly there. That's why conferences are entering into the billion dollar TV deal realm. The interest of physically entering into stadiums is waning. The game productions of major television companies is just way better than anything in-person, unless of course you're an absolute die-hard fan. 

You are absolutely right if we are talking about the college football regular season.  However the interest level drops dramatically in the college football post season.  Most of the bowl games are nowhere close to capacity, even the bigger bowl games and payoff games hardly come close to the big regular season rivalry games as far as viewers.  

Lets say a 16 team playoff did happen, and schools like Tulsa and Washington got matched to play in the Peach Bowl round 1... would anyone expect a capacity crowd or even a decent TV rating?

[emmitt01]

17 minutes ago, MrAlien said:

You are absolutely right if we are talking about the college football regular season.  However the interest level drops dramatically in the college football post season.  Most of the bowl games are nowhere close to capacity, even the bigger bowl games and payoff games hardly come close to the big regular season rivalry games as far as viewers.  

Lets say a 16 team playoff did happen, and schools like Tulsa and Washington got matched to play in the Peach Bowl round 1... would anyone expect a capacity crowd or even a decent TV rating?

It's illogical to compare attendance and ratings for current bowl games with a playoff format where the winner moves on and still has a legitimate (albeit unlikely) shot at playing for a national title.   In your hypothetical above, no I am not watching if it's the Peach Bowl where the winner just gets a trophy....but it Tulsa is playing to move on in the playoff then I'm glued to the set.  

[UNTcrazy727]

1 hour ago, MeanGreen22 said:

The compromise will end up being all P5 champs get auto bids, 3 at-large with 1 guaranteed to a G5 school. It’s been setup to go down like that for a while. 

This is the best setup, IMO. We don’t need a 9-3 MAC/C-USA champ in the playoffs. The format being discussed the most is the 6 highest ranked conference champs and 6 wildcards. 

[untjim1995]

This tells you who will be in any expanded playoff. 92-8 is the answer.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

6 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

This tells you who will be in any expanded playoff. 92-8 is the answer.

Is this supposed to be telling? Since college football games have been broadcasted on television you can make the argument that over 92% of these very teams are the one's being broadcasted and advertised to the mouth-breathing consumer. Start broadcasting evenly and broadly and then reexamine this in 2080. Otherwise, this is just more of the same. Advertise and advocate for the 'big guys' while looking for avenues (like this very graph) to knock down the little guy. 

[untjim1995]

Just now, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Is this supposed to be telling? Since college football games have been broadcasted on television you can make the argument that over 92% of these very teams are the one's being broadcasted and advertised to the mouth-breathing consumer. Start broadcasting evenly and broadly and then reexamine this in 2080. Otherwise, this is just more of the same. Advertise and advocate for the 'big guys' while looking for avenues (like this very graph) to knock down the little guy. 

Well, you are advocating for a colossal change in how college football is promoted, attended, and covered. I doubt we will ever see that happen. These power teams have money, power, fans, media, and legislatures to protect them. Its hard to get fans when they students and alumni of your own university are already fans of some Power school. And its even harder when the media won't cover them. Last week and this week, the Ticket did a college football preview on the upcoming season--they promoted doing coverage on the local, regional, and national teams that they felt were worth their time to cover. This is in DFW, not Houston, not NYC. They covered Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Baylor, Texas A&M, Texas, TCU, and SMU. And then said that SMU "deserves" to be in the Big 12, since they "act like they are already there and have the money to compete".

Not one mention of North Texas...a team that is located in DFW's market, will play SMU in AAC competition next year, and has several grads that work at the station.

That chart shows how hard it is for a La Tech, UTSA, or Tulsa to make any kind of a leap upward as a program because they are in the G5. And those guys get all the coverage their TV, radio, and print media can provide around them. Then there is us...a program that can't even get a mention in a "College Football Preview" on the most-listened to station in the Metroplex (and country).

But, who knows, maybe by 2080, things will be different...

[NorthTexasWeLove]

2 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Well, you are advocating for a colossal change in how college football is promoted, attended, and covered. I doubt we will ever see that happen. These power teams have money, power, fans, media, and legislatures to protect them. Its hard to get fans when they students and alumni of your own university are already fans of some Power school. And its even harder when the media won't cover them. Last week and this week, the Ticket did a college football preview on the upcoming season--they promoted doing coverage on the local, regional, and national teams that they felt were worth their time to cover. This is in DFW, not Houston, not NYC. They covered Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Baylor, Texas A&M, Texas, TCU, and SMU. And then said that SMU "deserves" to be in the Big 12, since they "act like they are already there and have the money to compete".

Not one mention of North Texas...a team that is located in DFW's market, will play SMU in AAC competition next year, and has several grads that work at the station.

That chart shows how hard it is for a La Tech, UTSA, or Tulsa to make any kind of a leap upward as a program because they are in the G5. And those guys get all the coverage their TV, radio, and print media can provide around them. Then there is us...a program that can't even get a mention in a "College Football Preview" on the most-listened to station in the Metroplex (and country).

But, who knows, maybe by 2080, things will be different...

You're not wrong. But that graphic and several like it are made, posted and shared as if the results were somehow organically created and it's just the way it is. So when TV deals are made with conferences (in the billion figure amount) and watching listings start getting made people are programmed to have an understanding as to why it is the way it is. These networks, media outlets, etc are just catering to the consumer... without mentioning, for obvious reasons, that they themselves are the one's that created the consumer and pigeon-holed them toward the product in which we will consume. It all started, politically, in the mid-20th century. It has spiraled from there with other agreeable almunus politicians sinking their teeth into this. What has happened and is continuing to happen is simply wrong. But yes, 8% of the collegiate sport consumer roots for over 50% of FBS programs. I believe it. 

[Wag Tag]

They will expand only to be able to add more teams from their conference, which will mean more money for their conference. If they did add one G5 would that mean a G5 playoff for that spot? Now that could be cool.

[MrAlien]

again the regular season is very different from the post season... during the regular season you watch your team, and pay close attention to all the other teams in your team's conference.  during the post season, fans are interested if their team is in it, but could probably care less about other teams. 

I think 4-6 team playoff works well enough... but if they start pairing the top CUSA team against the top SEC team in a playoff game, its going to end in a blow out, and no one is tuning in to watch after the 2nd quarter. 

[NT80]

3 hours ago, MeanGreen22 said:

The compromise will end up being all P5 champs get auto bids, 3 at-large with 1 guaranteed to a G5 school. It’s been setup to go down like that for a while. 

Playoffs get more un-associated watchers than a lame minor Bowl game will.   It's like March Madness, you will watch and cheer for the underdog to advance in the playoffs but won't watch the Boca Bowl no matter who is playing!

I have no problem with P5 champs getting auto bids, and at-large is certainly needed.  But the G5's are at a scheduling disadvantage.  That is the reason they cannot climb very high in polls.  Unless you had a schedule like Cincy last year that included a Notre Dame win and play a conference ranked team you will never qualify as at-large over a SEC or Big10 school.  

North Texas this season could go 12-0 and never be considered for an at-large because our schedule is so weak.

[UNTcrazy727]

3 minutes ago, NT80 said:

Playoffs get more un-associated watchers than a lame minor Bowl game will.   It's like March Madness, you will watch and cheer for the underdog to advance in the playoffs but won't watch the Boca Bowl no matter who is playing!

I have no problem with P5 champs getting auto bids, and at-large is certainly needed.  But the G5's are at a scheduling disadvantage.  That is the reason they cannot climb very high in polls.  Unless you had a schedule like Cincy last year that included a Notre Dame win and play a conference ranked team you will never qualify as at-large over a SEC or Big10 school.  

North Texas this season could go 12-0 and never be considered for an at-large because our schedule is so weak.

But in the proposed model UNT would likely get the 6th auto-bid as the 6th highest ranked conference champion. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

15 hours ago, NT80 said:

American Athletic Conference commissioner Mike Aresco said his conference is open to 12 or 16 teams, and that giving all 10 FBS conference champions automatic bids, "that would be ideal."

"That would energize and really help college football become much healthier," Aresco said. "It would make championship game weekend enormous. We think a 16-team playoff is something we absolutely should consider, and if it included 10 automatic and six at-larges it would be great for college football."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34497744/sources-cfp-board-managers-meet-momentum-playoff-expansion

 

The instant the NCAA approves a proposal like this, the P5s are going to break away and form their own governing body.

4 hours ago, MeanGreen22 said:

The compromise will end up being all P5 champs get auto bids, 3 at-large with 1 guaranteed to a G5 school. It’s been setup to go down like that for a while. 

This would honestly be best.    It at least gives the best G5 team a seat at the table.   That G5 team could sometimes be ranked way below the other 7 teams in the playoff.   Or, they could be up in the mix like Cincy was this past year.   Either way, a G5 team is guaranteed a spot in the playoff.

[untjim1995]

1 hour ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

The instant the NCAA approves a proposal like this, the P5s are going to break away and form their own governing body.

This would honestly be best.    It at least gives the best G5 team a seat at the table.   That G5 team could sometimes be ranked way below the other 7 teams in the playoff.   Or, they could be up in the mix like Cincy was this past year.   Either way, a G5 team is guaranteed a spot in the playoff.

This. Especially the top sentence.

The way a G5 gets in will ONLY be if its ranked in the top 5, like Cincy did. And Cincy was as much a P5 as it was a G5--a program moving up to those ranks next year. IOW, they ain't getting in without something miraculous happening. 

What I actually think will happen is that the B1G and SEC will expand to having 24 teams each. They will setup playoffs for their conference champions using those BCS bowls and setup a national title between them. This won't happen until 2035 or so, when the ACC loses its GOR and can be severely poached. That will leave a bigger level of programs left out in the cold as G8's, the Pac/Big12/ACC leftovers will be MWC/AAC type level then.

UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Virginia, and Rutgers (24)

Miami, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina, Duke,  Va Tech, Tennessee, Kentucky, Auburn, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, A&M, OU, Mizzou, and Kansas (24)

Notre Dame as the all-encompassing independent.

49 teams--culled down from the current 73 P5 teams (adding in UH, Cincy, UCF, and BYU).

Wait about 10 years and then see another culling/break-off, leaving them with about 32-36 total teams in an official NFL-lite setup...hell, the NFL may actually run that setup by then, too.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

On 9/1/2022 at 3:23 PM, untjim1995 said:

This. Especially the top sentence.

The way a G5 gets in will ONLY be if its ranked in the top 5, like Cincy did. And Cincy was as much a P5 as it was a G5--a program moving up to those ranks next year. IOW, they ain't getting in without something miraculous happening. 

What I actually think will happen is that the B1G and SEC will expand to having 24 teams each. They will setup playoffs for their conference champions using those BCS bowls and setup a national title between them. This won't happen until 2035 or so, when the ACC loses its GOR and can be severely poached. That will leave a bigger level of programs left out in the cold as G8's, the Pac/Big12/ACC leftovers will be MWC/AAC type level then.

UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Virginia, and Rutgers (24)

Miami, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina, Duke,  Va Tech, Tennessee, Kentucky, Auburn, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, A&M, OU, Mizzou, and Kansas (24)

Notre Dame as the all-encompassing independent.

49 teams--culled down from the current 73 P5 teams (adding in UH, Cincy, UCF, and BYU).

Wait about 10 years and then see another culling/break-off, leaving them with about 32-36 total teams in an official NFL-lite setup...hell, the NFL may actually run that setup by then, too.

This isn't true. If the verbiage that I am seeing and reading is accurate, it's the 6th HIGHEST rated conference CHAMPIONS, and then of course 6 at large. There are only 5 'P5" conferences. The playoff committee actually attempted to create parity in this format. Now, there will be a 'G5' in the playoff every year. Now, with that said, the AAC HAS to make sure it continues to do everything it possibly can to maintain that edge as the best perceived 'G5' conference in the country. The members, old and new, must carry their weight to make sure that happens as well. Charlotte sure as shit didn't carry a bright torch yesterday for the future of the conference. But that's nasty CUSA version of CLT. 

This is kind of big news.