SMU -ACC?

[untjim1995]

3 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Sadly, many do not care about UNT sports. A lot of our alumni are big time college football fans but have no faith that winning has been important to the University and Athletic leadership. Get pissed all you want and try and justify it, but with this many alums' so close to the school and to year after year have the attendance issues the issue is systemic and has still not been addressed. A lot of people want the school they support to take steps to make winning a priority.

This.

We nuked generations of fans. What we have now is a following that started in the early 00s and has slowly developed. Those alumni numbers don’t matter because they don’t care at all about UNT sports. Never have, never will. 
 

The way forward is winning, winning conference titles, winning bowl games, and watching the train build up from the current students and younger alumni. I don’t know a single friend from UNT that I graduated with that cares more about us than some other school, whether it’s their team from childhood, a team that they adopted, or the teams their kids now attend and root for. It’s a tough reality that people here won’t talk about or face.

[ADLER]

Yes, WINNING should be our plan! I wonder why no other school ever thought of that.  (sarcasm) 

Winning is an objective, not a strategy. What are the steps necessary to achieve that objective?

[97and03]

3 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

This.

We nuked generations of fans. What we have now is a following that started in the early 00s and has slowly developed. Those alumni numbers don’t matter because they don’t care at all about UNT sports. Never have, never will. 
 

The way forward is winning, winning conference titles, winning bowl games, and watching the train build up from the current students and younger alumni. I don’t know a single friend from UNT that I graduated with that cares more about us than some other school, whether it’s their team from childhood, a team that they adopted, or the teams their kids now attend and root for. It’s a tough reality that people here won’t talk about or face.

First, congratulations on having friends.

Second, you need better friends. 

[El Paso Eagle]

On 7/22/2022 at 8:31 AM, UNTLifer said:

The only problem is that nobody in Dallas watches smu.  They can't deliver the viewers we can.

@UNTLifer Should we have the "potential"? Yes. But we have been hearing fr 40 years about how many alums' we have, yet they are not watching or attending. There's an old sayinging about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We need to make winning the number one priority. The average fans are tired of hearing about potential and the sleeping giant. Prove that winning is the cornerstone of your football program and then you can start tapping the "lost" alums.

[Rudy]

8 hours ago, ADLER said:

Yes, WINNING should be our plan! I wonder why no other school ever thought of that.  (sarcasm) 

Winning is an objective, not a strategy. What are the steps necessary to achieve that objective?

If winning was the only thing that mattered, texass wouldn't sell out Darrel K Royal.

[MrAlien]

14 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Sadly, many do not care about UNT sports. A lot of our alumni are big time college football fans but have no faith that winning has been important to the University and Athletic leadership. Get pissed all you want and try and justify it, but with this many alums' so close to the school and to year after year have the attendance issues the issue is systemic and has still not been addressed. A lot of people want the school they support to take steps to make winning a priority.

Its not the lack of winning, its a lack of simple organization by the university and the alumni.  Just talking to friends from other schools, their social media has them well informed on schedules, TV channels, and where the Dallas viewing spots are.   

[untjim1995]

5 minutes ago, MrAlien said:

Its not the lack of winning, its a lack of simple organization by the university and the alumni.  Just talking to friends from other schools, their social media has them well informed on schedules, TV channels, and where the Dallas viewing spots are.   

This has everything to do with culture. North Texas is a school that just doesn't place importance on attending ANYTHING, especially anything athletic, that is UNT related. Its a school that celebrates music/arts, lower cost, and convenience to DFW. Its gotten better in the last few years, as Denton as a college town has become more "cool" than it ever was when most of the students were commuters from DFW and its suburbs. But the university also gets zero help from Dentonites, too, most of whom either don't care or actively loathe our athletic teams.

Edited July 26, 2022 by untjim1995

[GreenFlag]

38 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

This has everything to do with culture. North Texas is a school that just doesn't place importance on attending ANYTHING, especially anything athletic, that is UNT related. Its a school that celebrates music/arts, lower cost, and convenience to DFW. Its gotten better in the last few years, as Denton as a college town has become more "cool" than it ever was when most of the students were commuters from DFW and its suburbs. But the university also gets zero help from Dentonites, too, most of whom either don't care or actively loathe our athletic teams.

Level of competition matters as does the product on the field/court. I've seen some great crowds over the past few years in FB and MBB against competition that isn't a big draw. I think 30K at a football game and 9K at a basketball game is a leap forward. We've also done very poorly at times when our team and or opponent just aren't very good. I disagree about Dentonites, they show up when there is a good product or when the opponent is a household name...just like everyone else.

[Jonnyeagle]

7 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

This has everything to do with culture. North Texas is a school that just doesn't place importance on attending ANYTHING, especially anything athletic, that is UNT related. Its a school that celebrates music/arts, lower cost, and convenience to DFW. Its gotten better in the last few years, as Denton as a college town has become more "cool" than it ever was when most of the students were commuters from DFW and its suburbs. But the university also gets zero help from Dentonites, too, most of whom either don't care or actively loathe our athletic teams.

I think your hypothesis was correct 15-20 years ago but since RV got here we have done a much better job athletically indoctrinating the freshman students as well as the transfers.  The problem now is results and in particular consistent winning.  
 

A good example would be the great crowd we had for that La Tech game a few years back, you know the one where the Mean Joe Greene statue was unveiled?  That was a fantastic crowd and yet we somehow managed to put a stain on an otherwise great day by squandering a lead in the closing seconds of the game.

[Mike Jackson]

23 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Sadly, many do not care about UNT sports. A lot of our alumni are big time college football fans but have no faith that winning has been important to the University and Athletic leadership. Get pissed all you want and try and justify it, but with this many alums' so close to the school and to year after year have the attendance issues the issue is systemic and has still not been addressed. A lot of people want the school they support to take steps to make winning a priority.

Exactly why you can’t hold on the longest tenured head coach is the state while not winning anything significant.  That sends a “penny pinching we are not serious” message  so why would local alumni take them serious?

[UNTLifer]

10 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

@UNTLifer Should we have the "potential"? Yes. But we have been hearing fr 40 years about how many alums' we have, yet they are not watching or attending. There's an old sayinging about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We need to make winning the number one priority. The average fans are tired of hearing about potential and the sleeping giant. Prove that winning is the cornerstone of your football program and then you can start tapping the "lost" alums.

When we win they come. See the HOD Bowl for example. The problem is that we never do so consistently and suffer some idiotic loss that kills all momentum.