Let me be very clear here regarding Seth

Tom McKrackin · June 23, 2022

If he gets us to another bowl game this season he will not be fired. UNT has NEVER fired a coach who led them to a bowl game and @Wren sure as hell won't be the first one to do it. Way to risky now that he is pulling down $750 G's a year. Am I happy about that no but I am realistic enough to know how things work around here.

Wag Tag · June 23, 2022

Why has the new Athletic Building not been announced and started? Could it be that the donating alumni are doing a wait and see. His recruiting has fallen off a cliff, which I think is a big red flag. I also think Gunnell better be a home run! A lot of alumni will not support a 6&6 with a bowl game with horrible recruiting and not being able to develop a Qb.

golfingomez · June 23, 2022

1 hour ago, Tom McKrackin said:

If he gets us to another bowl game this season he will not be fired. UNT has NEVER fired a coach who led them to a bowl game and @Wren sure as hell won't be the first one to do it. Way to risky now that he is pulling down $750 G's a year. Am I happy about that no but I am realistic enough to know how things work around here.

well that's a pretty short list... and i think you mean they didn't fire them that season... the previous two coaches that led us to bowl games also led the program to dumpster fire status...

UNTcrazy727 · June 23, 2022

1 hour ago, Tom McKrackin said:

If he gets us to another bowl game this season he will not be fired. UNT has NEVER fired a coach who led them to a bowl game and @Wren sure as hell won't be the first one to do it. Way to risky now that he is pulling down $750 G's a year. Am I happy about that no but I am realistic enough to know how things work around here.

IMO, you're wrong. He barely kept his job last year at 6-6 and won't be brought back if he repeats that. It gets murky at 7-5. It would probably depend on how competitive we are in our losses. Like if we lose to the 5 best teams on our schedule by double digits I don't think Littrell is brought back. Or if we lose ANOTHER bowl game to finish at 7-6 then I think Wren Baker will decide to move on. You can't fundraise with a .500 program.

untphd · June 23, 2022

Fla let 8-4 Mullen go and Miami let 7-5 Diaz go. It just depends on what your expectations are.

rcade · June 23, 2022

1 hour ago, Tom McKrackin said:

UNT has NEVER fired a coach who led them to a bowl game and @Wren sure as hell won't be the first one to do it.

I seem to recall Darrell Dickey getting the axe in Twenty Aught Six.

RBP79 · June 23, 2022

A 6&6 or 7&5 and another bowl loss he needs to be gone period.

And I hope he goes 12&0 and wins the bowl game...pass the Kool Aid please....

greenminer · June 23, 2022

3 hours ago, Tom McKrackin said:

UNT has NEVER fired a coach who led them to a bowl game and @Wren

We really need to do away with historical trends in Denton. We are in a vastly different environment with our spending and administrative interests compared to previous generations.

I think momentum will play a part in Wren's decision. If we win a bowl game (I don't think we will be, but I'll play along), I think we have to be finishing a 3+ game win streak for SL to feel safe. On the contrary, if a bowl win brings our last 4 games to 1-3, SL should be sweating.

Wren is always so positive about our athletics, which is great, but it has made it very hard to read where he stands on SL.

Edited June 23, 2022 by greenminer

greenminer · June 23, 2022

1 hour ago, rcade said:

I seem to recall Darrell Dickey getting the axe in Twenty Aught Six.

Tom didn't clarify this, but I think it's obvious he meant SAME season as a bowl game.

untbowler · June 23, 2022

4 hours ago, Tom McKrackin said:

If he gets us to another bowl game this season he will not be fired. UNT has NEVER fired a coach who led them to a bowl game and @Wren sure as hell won't be the first one to do it. Way to risky now that he is pulling down $750 G's a year. Am I happy about that no but I am realistic enough to know how things work around here.

the previous coaches did not have a Bowl Game Created specifically for the team, they earned the bowls not backing in due to grades and a losing record. Bowl games are handed out like candy now days, so being average to even below average gets you into a bowl.

MrAlien · June 23, 2022

I dont think schools in UNTs position can afford to wait until the end of the season to fire a coach. With recruiting, transfers, and the NIL, I think you need to have next seasons coaching system in place by Thanksgiving, because thats when everyone starts looking around for next season.

Mike Jackson · June 23, 2022

3 hours ago, greenminer said:

We really need to do away with historical trends in Denton. We are in a vastly different environment with our spending and administrative interests compared to previous generations.

I think momentum will play a part in Wren's decision. If we win a bowl game (I don't think we will be, but I'll play along), I think we have to be finishing a 3+ game win streak for SL to feel safe. On the contrary, if a bowl win brings our last 4 games to 1-3, SL should be sweating.

Wren is always so positive about our athletics, which is great, but it has made it very hard to read where he stands on SL.

I hope you are right. Your analysis is very balanced and it should be the criteria for bringing him back. Highly unlikely he hits that positive late season streak IMO especially with 5 of starting front 7 from defense last year gone now. The DB room has been the weak link under Seth most of his tenure. I hate to imagine both major parts of the defense struggling all year.

Jonnyeagle · June 23, 2022

4 hours ago, greenminer said:

We really need to do away with historical trends in Denton. We are in a vastly different environment with our spending and administrative interests compared to previous generations.

I think momentum will play a part in Wren's decision. If we win a bowl game (I don't think we will be, but I'll play along), I think we have to be finishing a 3+ game win streak for SL to feel safe. On the contrary, if a bowl win brings our last 4 games to 1-3, SL should be sweating.

Wren is always so positive about our athletics, which is great, but it has made it very hard to read where he stands on SL.

Good post. I agree 100%

drex · June 23, 2022

As I have said before, Seth does not want to be here. This will be a death march this fall.

untphd · June 24, 2022

31 minutes ago, drex said:

As I have said before, Seth does not want to be here. This will be a death march this fall.

Can this be true?

NT80 · June 24, 2022

13 hours ago, Tom McKrackin said:

If he gets us to another bowl game this season he will not be fired.

As we have seen first hand in sending losing teams to Bowl games...Bowl qualification is not always a sign of strength of program. Wren knows there needs to be a change. Glad you are not the AD.

DentonLurker · June 24, 2022

5 hours ago, drex said:

As I have said before, Seth does not want to be here.

I call BS on this.

greenminer · June 24, 2022

8 hours ago, Mike Jackson said:

I hope you are right. Your analysis is very balanced and it should be the criteria for bringing him back. Highly unlikely he hits that positive late season streak IMO especially with 5 of starting front 7 from defense last year gone now. The DB room has been the weak link under Seth most of his tenure. I hate to imagine both major parts of the defense struggling all year.

PB is earning my trust. I understand your points though; they def have merit.

greenminer · June 24, 2022

7 hours ago, drex said:

As I have said before, Seth does not want to be here. This will be a death march this fall.

Such a weird card to play.

I've had jobs to do that I didn't want to work, but I did them anyways. The difference here is, the burden is on SL to totally fake out 80+ student-athletes who are itching to see whether you are sincere or not.

If SL is half-assing this job, he's fooling a ton of people that have incredible insight.

UNTcrazy727 · June 24, 2022

14 hours ago, drex said:

As I have said before, Seth does not want to be here. This will be a death march this fall.

If this was true he wouldn't have changed our offensive philosophy in the middle of the season last year. He would have simply kept letting Aune throw us out of games, get fired, and collect the remainder of his contract.

Wag Tag · June 24, 2022

If Seth is replaced it will have to be with a recognizable name. Bringing in an assistant or an FCS coach will not be an option. It will have to be a coach with a reputation that can attract players ($2.5m) and only have a small NIL. I saw were Sprouts is doing an NIL program for women in the Big12 and PAC12. We finally had a chance to be on equal footing with SMU going to the AAC, that has been blown out of the water with the NIL.

UNTcrazy727 · June 24, 2022

1 hour ago, Wag Tag said:

If Seth is replaced it will have to be with a recognizable name. Bringing in an assistant or an FCS coach will not be an option. It will have to be a coach with a reputation that can attract players ($2.5m) and only have a small NIL. I saw were Sprouts is doing an NIL program for women in the Big12 and PAC12. We finally had a chance to be on equal footing with SMU going to the AAC, that has been blown out of the water with the NIL.

UTSA is laughing at this.

greenminer · June 24, 2022

2 hours ago, Wag Tag said:

If Seth is replaced it will have to be with a recognizable name. Bringing in an assistant or an FCS coach will not be an option. It will have to be a coach with a reputation that can attract players ($2.5m) and only have a small NIL. I saw were Sprouts is doing an NIL program for women in the Big12 and PAC12. We finally had a chance to be on equal footing with SMU going to the AAC, that has been blown out of the water with the NIL.

If there is a homerun hire standing at our door, and he is an assistant/FCS guy, you'd rule him out? Not even consider him?

Wag Tag · June 24, 2022

2 hours ago, greenminer said:

If there is a homerun hire standing at our door, and he is an assistant/FCS guy, you'd rule him out? Not even consider him?

Yes, 2 years ago no, but things have changed dramatically. It has to be a name that attracts attention from the media, fans competition and alumni!!! A coach with a successful history on a D1 stage. With the transfer portal and NIL money there will be no time for on the job training. I can’t imagine how hard it will be to recruit with a loosing record in the AAC.