College athletics leaders say timing of NCAA presidential change 'perfect,' but job 'not an enviable one'

[NT80]

"The hire comes at a turning point, as the NCAA is in the midst of restructuring its entire organization while the transfer portal and name, image and likeness (NIL) rights have already created unintended consequences."

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33817559/college-athletics-leaders-say-timing-ncaa-presidential-change-perfect-job-not-enviable-one

 

[Coach Andy Mac]

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"Will he or she simply be in charge of dismantling the NCAA? And having all the decision-making devolved to the conferences or the schools?" Aresco said. "Or will that person be expected to be a transformative figure and try to get some of these issues resolved or under control? You know, NIL is not what we expected, wanted it to be. It's the Wild West. It isn't NIL, it seems to be buying players and making sure you retain them, and that's not what was intended. The portal and NIL have created a perfect storm. ... What's our mission? Is this going to become semi-pro sports, or is there going to be any retention of the amateur model? Those are all things that are going to face a new president."

 

[RBP79]

NIL creates Semi-Pro league. NT, as well as the majority of universities, will never compete with OU, Texas, and the Alabama's of the P5's.

[southsideguy]

Judy! Judy!

[NT80]

2 hours ago, RBP79 said:

NIL creates Semi-Pro league. NT, as well as the majority of universities, will never compete with OU, Texas, and the Alabama's of the P5's.

But NT is competing with them (just not winning very often).  This athletic year we played the #1 men's basketball team and hosted the #1 softball team in the country. 

The Gap is talent = recruiting = $$, facilities, coaching. 

[untjim1995]

10 minutes ago, NT80 said:

But NT is competing with them (just not winning very often).  This athletic year we played the #1 men's basketball team and hosted the #1 softball team in the country. 

The Gap is talent = recruiting = $$, facilities, coaching. 

In 2020, the biggest revenue producers for college football were:

Texas, A&M, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Penn State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Wisconsin, Florida State, Auburn, Iowa, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Michigan State, Louisville, and Arkansas

When we play any of these teams in a home game in Denton, then and only then can you say we are "competing" with them. Basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, and volleyball are all different animals than football. You can see those teams listed above somehow play a game in one of those sports at a G5 every once in a while.

It's fine and good for these top 40 schools to go their own way and play each other in games that are more equal. Ask any Longhorn, Aggie, Sooner, Razorback, or other P5 giant and they will all tell you they absolutely hate the bodybag games, too, as they have to pay a ton for a glorified scrimmage to be played 95% of the time. Watching a setup of currently lower P5s and the G5s play each other and give them a chance to actually play for and win a national title is 100000000x more interesting to me than to watch Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Clemson, and someone else vie for a playoff slot, while we watch UCF, Boise State, or some other G5 get a few crumbs to play a P5 team that absolutely doesn't care one bit about playing in whatever BCS bowl game is given to them. And, no that's not the same as i-aa in the 80's. We aren't suggesting that we play in a conference of podunk schools from Louisiana and Texas while the best conference in the country is basically in our backyard. Playing a conference game against SMU or Tulane is not equal to playing a conference game against SFA or Nicholls State.

[NT80]

8 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

In 2020, the biggest revenue producers for college football were:

Texas, A&M, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Penn State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Wisconsin, Florida State, Auburn, Iowa, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Michigan State, Louisville, and Arkansas

It's fine and good for these top 40 schools to go their own way and play each other in games that are more equal. 

...

They can't and won't do that, for the exact revenue reason you mentioned.  They all need a minimum of 7 home games each season, and all need a minimum 7 wins each season to keep those alum and support $$ rolling in.  That won't happen if they just play themselves.

[untjim1995]

6 minutes ago, NT80 said:

They can't and won't do that, for the exact revenue reason you mentioned.  They all need a minimum of 7 home games each season, and all need a minimum 7 wins each season to keep those alum and support $$ rolling in.  That won't happen if they just play themselves.

Not true. They'll take 6 home games against each other if it means more money...and it will. The networks are dying to get the P5 giants to breakaway. The money the SEC and the B1G make right now will look like the SBCUSA payout when the colleges of these NFL-lite machines pull away. No more Texas vs UNT games or A&M vs UTSA or LSU vs McNeese State to pay for, from a network or a fan perspective. They will get 4 conferences of 10 teams, so you have 9 conference games, plus a game against a team from the other conferences to correspond with where you finish. 12 games, then a playoff system that gets the top 16 teams into their playoffs, with the big bowls serving as hosts for quarter finals, semi finals, and the championship.

This is so easy to see, its not even funny. You almost have to want to not see it.

By the way, the rest of us, the remaining 80 teams can build up something very similar too. It won't be hard. And we would be playing the same teams we always play. 

We shouldn't be playing Texas or A&M in football, period. If an opponent won't/can't do a home-and-home series, they aren't supposed to be playing each other. That's the "Christians vs the Lions" trick in the Roman times.

[untcampbell]

Texas, A&M, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Penn State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Wisconsin, Florida State, Auburn, Iowa, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Michigan State, Louisville, and Arkansas

The money those teams brings in correlates well with the investment most of these program put into football, and to a lesser extent, athletics in general. That investment started a long, long time ago when a handful of college administrators  recognized the potential value that big and fast fellas running with and throwing a ball could bring to their university. 

They innovated, invested, branded, even cheated, all in the realization that winning a game brings more publicity and money to a school than just about any academic accomplishment. They beat teams from nearby military bases and less visionary, underfunded schools, and they developed rivalries with the other visionaries. And their brands grew, bringing pride to their alums, and people from all across the country became fans of some of those teams, whether they went to school there or not.

Very few underfunded, underinvested and less visionary schools move up to the elite level. But they can continue to play the sport's elites. And fans of those schools that didn't jump in fairly early pay, admittedly a lot less, to watch and care and dream.

 

GMG

[NT80]

18 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

They'll take 6 home games against each other if it means more money...and it will.

That's why it won't work, it's not more money to play a road game.  Each home game at these SEC schools brings in ~$25mil per home game.  They want 7, not 6.  A road game only nets them ~$2mil.  Plus, all their games are televised; they get revenue regardless who they play.

Edited April 28, 2022 by NT80

[untjim1995]

8 minutes ago, NT80 said:

That's why it won't work, it's not more money to play a road game.  Each home game at these SEC schools brings in ~$25mil per home game.  They want 7, not 6.  A road game only nets them ~$2mil.  Plus, all their games are televised; they get revenue regardless who they play.

Hold on, you think the networks aren't gonna pay double (at least) for Tennessee to play a schedule that doesn't include a home game versus Austin Peay or Middle Tennessee but does include a road game at Ohio State?

Tennessee could play Kentucky, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and Miami at home, while playing Arkansas, LSU, Auburn, Texas A&M, Oregon, and Ohio State on the road for a 12-game schedule. And you're telling me the University of Tennessee would lose money? Because they could EASILY raise (justifiably) prices to cover one less home game, while getting 2x or 3x what they get now from TV...no more Vandy games, no more games against FCS spares, or bodybag games against G5s, but 6 games against big time opponents. The revenue that those 6 tickets would generate would dwarf the 7 games that you played before. Raise parking, concessions, tickets, souvenirs, etc...their fans will pay it. And most importantly, the network money will easily give them more cash. Networks pay for FCS spares and bodybag games versus the teams they want to cover because they have to. Give them a reason to not and to actually cover two teams they do want to cover, that money rocket will shoot off into orbit so fast, it isn't even funny.

[Jonnyeagle]

24 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Hold on, you think the networks aren't gonna pay double (at least) for Tennessee to play a schedule that doesn't include a home game versus Austin Peay or Middle Tennessee but does include a road game at Ohio State?

Tennessee could play Kentucky, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and Miami at home, while playing Arkansas, LSU, Auburn, Texas A&M, Oregon, and Ohio State on the road for a 12-game schedule. And you're telling me the University of Tennessee would lose money? Because they could EASILY raise (justifiably) prices to cover one less home game, while getting 2x or 3x what they get now from TV...no more Vandy games, no more games against FCS spares, or bodybag games against G5s, but 6 games against big time opponents. The revenue that those 6 tickets would generate would dwarf the 7 games that you played before. Raise parking, concessions, tickets, souvenirs, etc...their fans will pay it. And most importantly, the network money will easily give them more cash. Networks pay for FCS spares and bodybag games versus the teams they want to cover because they have to. Give them a reason to not and to actually cover two teams they do want to cover, that money rocket will shoot off into orbit so fast, it isn't even funny.

I see your point @untjim1995

our hand is dealt we can’t change the cards.

what in your opinion is our best play?  Do we double down or fold em?

[NT80]

4 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

Tennessee could play Kentucky, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and Miami at home, while playing Arkansas, LSU, Auburn, Texas A&M, Oregon, and Ohio State on the road for a 12-game schedule. 

 Tennessee (or any P5) will Never Volunteer (lol) to play that kind of schedule with 6 home/6 road games vs that tough of competition.

-the 7 home game revenue is not there

-don't want all tough games

Edited April 28, 2022 by NT80

[untjim1995]

2 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

I see your point @untjim1995

our hand is dealt we can’t change the cards.

what in your opinion is our best play?  Do we double down or fold em?

My belief has always been that we missed the boat for anything Power Based because we nuked generations of fans in the 80s when we CHOSE to stay at the 1-AA level for 12 freaking years and then ran a program for the next 15 years as a bare-bones outfit that whored itself out for money in any way you could. 

That said, what we have shown the ability to do with building Apogee, funding the program to be a G5 competitive program, and getting decent fan support for a school at our level of play is that we are playing at a level that is where we should be. I think the NIL bit will get controlled so that SMU and others can’t just buy teams without any support. But I also think that the NCAA will be forced to give up the Power 40 (or so) and we will be in the second group, which would be just fine and we can enjoy playing teams we are competitive with, from money to fans. 
 

What we will never be is anything like Texas or A&M. And that’s ok—nobody else in this state is like them, either.

[RBP79]

5 hours ago, NT80 said:

But NT is competing with them (just not winning very often).  This athletic year we played the #1 men's basketball team and hosted the #1 softball team in the country. 

The Gap is talent = recruiting = $$, facilities, coaching. 

Well...I'm one of the few who believe play the big boys often enough (referring to football) and you'll eventually get the talent. 

 Ie...BSU, Cincinnati, even FSU back in my day.