NCAA Talk Superthread

GMG_Dallas · March 18, 2022

31 minutes ago, greenminer said:

It's because the talent/ability across the league is PRO level. That's not the case across EVERY roster in D1

you're literally displacing one metric with another. IMO, you're replacing one metric that tries to use deep level evaluation and context with your own metric that abandons evaluation and context.

What? You must not have read what I said. I'm asking they pick a metric and actually use it. They have the NET. They ignore it. They have RPI. They ignore it. I'm not asking they use my own metric which is really just win-loss records. I'm asking they actually use the metrics they've created. They ignore their own metrics so why have them?

Edited March 18, 2022 by GMG_Dallas

CMJ · March 18, 2022

They do use them. They're just one metric of several that they look at. When they created the NET they never said it would be the sole thing they looked at.

greenminer · March 18, 2022

16 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

What? You must not have read what I said. I'm asking they pick a metric and actually use it. They have the NET. They ignore it. They have RPI. They ignore it. I'm not asking they use my own metric which is really just win-loss records. I'm asking they actually use the metrics they've created. They ignore their own metrics so why have them?

I think the bigger takeaway here is, no single metric can define these decisions. They have to look at all this stuff, combine it with the other numbers, plus what they gather from watching the games, and make their best guess. When you have that kind of process, it can result in looking like one metric being ignored.

It's not a perfect system but for the most part it's pretty good. I get frustration though. Hard to look at all the Indiana numbers, plus what we now see with their nearly 30 point loss against St. Marys, and speculate about what could be better. The numbers are supposed to eliminate bias, but it's pretty clear simply being in the B1G gives you an advantage over CUSA.

Just saw some back and forth on Twitter from an Indiana guy who made fun of our close win over TxState. I think he was kinda picking and choosing individual games to make his points, so I didn't want to engage him, and he wasn't going to even consider that a regular season Sun Belt champ like Tx State could actually be competitive.

EDIT: CMJ is right, no single metric was created with the intent to use ONLY that metric. That would be foolish.

Edited March 18, 2022 by greenminer

GMG_Dallas · March 19, 2022

2 hours ago, greenminer said:

I think the bigger takeaway here is, no single metric can define these decisions. They have to look at all this stuff, combine it with the other numbers, plus what they gather from watching the games, and make their best guess. When you have that kind of process, it can result in looking like one metric being ignored.

It's not a perfect system but for the most part it's pretty good. I get frustration though. Hard to look at all the Indiana numbers, plus what we now see with their nearly 30 point loss against St. Marys, and speculate about what could be better. The numbers are supposed to eliminate bias, but it's pretty clear simply being in the B1G gives you an advantage over CUSA.

Just saw some back and forth on Twitter from an Indiana guy who made fun of our close win over TxState. I think he was kinda picking and choosing individual games to make his points, so I didn't want to engage him, and he wasn't going to even consider that a regular season Sun Belt champ like Tx State could actually be competitive.

EDIT: CMJ is right, no single metric was created with the intent to use ONLY that metric. That would be foolish.

A few months ago I took the time (not saying you haven't) to read about the NET on the NCAA's website. On their website, they say it is to be used as the primary sorting tool for D1 basketball. It was actually created to replace RPI, not be used in conjuction. Now, it also says that Q1 wins and Q3/Q4 losses will be used to determine seeding and selection which is obviously where we're hurt with only 1 Q1 win and 2 Q3 losses. Even though Rutgers had 2 Q3 losses and 1 Q4 loss (at home to #319 10-20 Lafayette), they had plenty of Q1 opportunities to make-up for it in the eyes of the committee. They also say it's not a determining factor, is just an organizational piece, and blah blah blah. They have their built in cop-out. I get it, teams lacking NET-determined quality wins will be punished in a sense and I understand why. It still comes down to the committee's opinion. A 77th ranked team shouldn't get in over multiple teams ranked in the top 50.

Like you said, it's not perfect but it is pretty good. It's still new. I think it'll get better. I'm thankful the NCAA at least seems to care about evening the playing field in basketball a bit. I barely watch college football outside UNT. That includes playoffs and bowls. College basketball is one of the best in my opinion and it's thanks to the NCAA tournament.

CMJ · March 19, 2022

There have been a few really good games today (Illinois/Chattanooga and Miami/USC especially), but it's still been a step back from yesterday. Not exactly a surprise, I feel like either one or the other day gets the really good stuff.

GMG_Dallas · March 19, 2022

Davidson got robbed... I'm trying not to be a mid-major homer but that reviewed charge was a blocking foul, the foul on the inbounds pass was a good steal (ball hit the defender's knee, didn't see contact otherwise), 6 fouls called in 63 seconds on Davidson in crunch time is just incredible.

On Chattanooga, if they shot 60% from FTs instead of 50%, they maybe win the game in overtime. 65% from FTs gets them the win in regulation. Shame.

CMJ · March 19, 2022

We know all about missed free throws too!

CMJ · March 19, 2022

So, this UNC/Baylor game isn't too bad, eh?

Jonnyeagle · March 19, 2022

15 minutes ago, CMJ said:

So, this UNC/Baylor game isn't too bad, eh?

What a game!!!

Matt from A700 · March 19, 2022

F*** my bracket!!

CMJ · March 19, 2022

Not quite as good as the first game today, but the Kansas/Creighton one was a lot of fun too.

greenminer · March 19, 2022

9 minutes ago, CMJ said:

Not quite as good as the first game today, but the Kansas/Creighton one was a lot of fun too.

Great matchup of a couple of MBB good guys.

CMJ · March 20, 2022

This has been a crazy day. Really the only non competitive game was Providence/Richmond.

greenminer · March 20, 2022

Sunday's roster of games looks incredible!

CMJ · March 20, 2022

Yeah, I'll be listening to our game while I have like three others on mute.

greenminer · March 20, 2022

Rooting for 'Nova.

greenminer · March 20, 2022

FAU (5 seed) lost today to Northern Colorado (12) in the CBI.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401411725

GMG_Dallas · March 20, 2022

Shame for FAU to go out like that. I'll say I'm proud of Rice for battling against a tough 25-win Ohio team. They lost at the buzzer unfortunately. Ohio had wins against Belmont, Cleveland State, and Marshall this year.

CMJ · March 21, 2022

Not that anyone will wanna talk about it for a few days, but there were some legit great games today. I was only halfway watching them once we lost till I got sucked in to the last half and OT of the TCU/AZ game.

greenminer · March 21, 2022

greenminer · March 22, 2022

I don't like "All Time" talks if you want to discuss certainty, but it's def fun water cooler talk.

March Madness: Ranking the all-time starting fives for the 2022 NCAA tournament Sweet 16 teams

UNTLifer · March 25, 2022

Having family in Arkansas, I loved watching the Hogs take out Gonzaga last night even though my bracket is now officially firepit kindling. I am also a fan of Coach K and enjoyed the Duke win over Tech. Two really good games last night along with Houston/Arizona.