Ukraine

Jonnyeagle · February 24, 2022

I usually get pretty engrossed in wars and watching them on TV but for some reason this one just does not move the needle for me. It seems like they should just give Russia the areas that they want and be over with it. Seems silly to have people die over this when most of the residents want to be with Russia anyway. I am open to other thoughts on this.

LongJim · February 24, 2022

1 hour ago, Jonnyeagle said:

I usually get pretty engrossed in wars and watching them on TV but for some reason this one just does not move the needle for me.

What would make it "move the needle" for you? I'm open to your thoughts on this.

GBarksdale · February 24, 2022

1 hour ago, Jonnyeagle said:

Seems silly to have people die over this when most of the residents want to be with Russia anyway.

Most Ukranians don't want to be with Russia. It's been a bone of contention with them for centuries.

MDH · February 24, 2022

1 hour ago, Jonnyeagle said:

I usually get pretty engrossed in wars and watching them on TV but for some reason this one just does not move the needle for me. It seems like they should just give Russia the areas that they want and be over with it. Seems silly to have people die over this when most of the residents want to be with Russia anyway. I am open to other thoughts on this.

Russia wants Odessa - not just those 2 areas. They've lacked a freshwater port since USSR breakup.

UNT Texas Hooligan · February 24, 2022

1 hour ago, Jonnyeagle said:

I usually get pretty engrossed in wars and watching them on TV but for some reason this one just does not move the needle for me. It seems like they should just give Russia the areas that they want and be over with it. Seems silly to have people die over this when most of the residents want to be with Russia anyway. I am open to other thoughts on this.

16 minutes ago, GBarksdale said:

Most Ukranians don't want to be with Russia. It's been a bone of contention with them for centuries.

But they don't want to be with Russia. I once dated a Ukrainian that explained to me how deep it goes

Edited February 24, 2022 by UNT Texas Hooligan

LongJim · February 24, 2022

Edited February 24, 2022 by Coach Andy Mac

Quoner · February 24, 2022

Every time you think you've seen the dumbest post possible, the blackhole just opens that much further to prove you wrong.

MeanGreenTexan · February 24, 2022

20 minutes ago, UNT Texas Hooligan said:

But they don't want to be with Russia. I once dated a Ukrainian that explained to me how deep it goes

Quoner · February 24, 2022

23 minutes ago, UNT Texas Hooligan said:

But they don't want to be with Russia. I once dated a Ukrainian that explained to me how deep it goes

My mother is full Ukrainian after her grandmother fled alone to NYC in her teenage years to escape Russia and settled with the others in the city. You’re spot on and for those who don’t have a frame of reference, think of how Miami Cubans feel about Castro and multiply by size of territories.

UNT Texas Hooligan · February 24, 2022

3 minutes ago, Quoner said:

My mother is full Ukrainian after her grandmother fled alone to NYC in her teenage years to escape Russia and settled with the others in the city. You’re spot on and for those who don’t have a frame of reference, think of how Miami Cubans feel about Castro and multiply by size of territories.

Exactly, and for reference, Pro-Russian Ukrainians are considered "separatists" in the country. I don't think I would want to openly join a country that has launched multiple attacks on me over the years, attempted to hack and de-stabilize my infrastructure, and just see me as an imperialist target for a borderline dictator trying to cement his legacy.

MeanGreenTexan · February 24, 2022

51 minutes ago, GBarksdale said:

Most Ukranians don't want to be with Russia. It's been a bone of contention with them for centuries.

This is confirmed by Ukraine's relationship with Western countries instead of Mother Russia like their neighbor, Belarus. Ukraine has sought ties with the rest of Europe since the fall of the USSR.

It's hard for me to understand why Estonia, Latvia, & Lithuania all got into NATO, but Ukraine (who has lobbied for decades) has not yet been admitted. This would not be happening if Ukraine would have been able to join like they've wanted to.

mustangfan · February 24, 2022

Putin feels like NATO's only goal is to hold back Russia it seems. That is mainly what is driving this. And he does have a point if you look at it historically post- Cold war.

MeanGreenTexan · February 24, 2022

1 minute ago, mustangfan said:

Putin feels like NATO's only goal is to hold back Russia it seems. That is mainly what is driving this. And he does have a point if you look at it historically post- Cold war.

Of course the SMU fan would side with Russia.

GBarksdale · February 24, 2022

37 minutes ago, LongJim said:

So apparently Putin sent forces through this area because it's an exclusionary zone (because of the radiation still there from 1986) -- meaning he's willing to expose his own troops to radiation poisoning to achieve his aims.

And the even bigger issue is this, from the NY Times: Should an artillery shell hit the storage unit, “radioactive dust could cover the territory of Ukraine, Belarus and the countries of the European Union.”

greenminer · February 24, 2022

1 hour ago, UNT Texas Hooligan said:

I once dated a Ukrainian that explained to me how deep it goes

Damn good humble brag, if I may say so myself.

MeanGreenTexan · February 24, 2022

This is not just about Donbass.

Reports are now that Russian forces have moved across from Belarus and have taken over the Chernobyl site after a brief skirmish with Ukraine's military.

Chernobyl is closer to Kyiv than Waco is to Dallas. This thing is going to be over in less than 48 hours... and NATO is doing nothing about it.

Putin called everyone's bluff and won. His winnings? Not only getting the apple of his eye, Ukraine, and all of their natural resources (which are EXTREMELY ABUNDANT), but all of these shiny new military supplies many of the Western countries, including the US, sent to Ukraine without backing them up.

Wonder who's next? Belarus? Moldova (@97and03 isn't this where you are?? What are things like there??)? Georgia/Armenia/Azerbaijan? ...Finland? Sweeden?

Which one of these fine countries will get NATO to stand up if they won't even do so for Ukraine?

ColoradoEagle · February 24, 2022

3 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

I usually get pretty engrossed in wars and watching them on TV but for some reason this one just does not move the needle for me.

Good Lord.

GBarksdale · February 24, 2022

8 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Putin called everyone's bluff and won. His winnings?

Guerilla resistance by the Ukrainians. Russian body bags. Divided Russian public opinion on the invasion -- sanctions and even more economic pain for the Russian population.

Could very well be a pyrrhic victory

El Paso Eagle · February 24, 2022

Does China use this to make a push on Taiwan?

MeanGreenTexan · February 24, 2022

1 minute ago, GBarksdale said:

Guerilla resistance by the Ukrainians. Russian body bags. Divided Russian public opinion on the invasion -- sanctions and even more economic pain for the Russian population.

Could very well be a pyrrhic victory

Ah yes, Sanctions. We'll see.
I already can see where that's headed when China sees a needy trading partner they can rake over the coals... only making them stronger. And we all know the tiny Island state China has had their eye on for a while now. Why not go ahead and take it? Apparently No one is going to do anything.

El Paso Eagle · February 24, 2022

1 hour ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Ah yes, Sanctions. We'll see.
I already can see where that's headed when China sees a needy trading partner they can rake over the coals... only making them stronger. And we all know the tiny Island state China has had their eye on for a while now. Why not go ahead and take it? Apparently No one is going to do anything.

As long as Europe has to count on Russia for oil and gas it's hard to punish them.

jtm0097 · February 24, 2022

2 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

This is not just about Donbass.

Reports are now that Russian forces have moved across from Belarus and have taken over the Chernobyl site after a brief skirmish with Ukraine's military.

Chernobyl is closer to Kyiv than Waco is to Dallas. This thing is going to be over in less than 48 hours... and NATO is doing nothing about it.

Putin called everyone's bluff and won. His winnings? Not only getting the apple of his eye, Ukraine, and all of their natural resources (which are EXTREMELY ABUNDANT), but all of these shiny new military supplies many of the Western countries, including the US, sent to Ukraine without backing them up.

Wonder who's next? Belarus? Moldova (@97and03 isn't this where you are?? What are things like there??)? Georgia/Armenia/Azerbaijan? ...Finland? Sweeden?

Which one of these fine countries will get NATO to stand up if they won't even do so for Ukraine?

I was in Vienna, Austria a few years ago on a walking tour. They suddenly roped us off and wouldn't let us cross a street. This armed motorcade came hauling ass in front of us. It was for Alexander Lukashenko the Belarus dictator that is buddies with Putin. He was there to meet with the Austrian Prime Minister. Weirdest thing I have encountered traveling. They had a band playing for him and a military color guard.

MeanGreenPatriot · February 24, 2022

5 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

I usually get pretty engrossed in wars and watching them on TV but for some reason this one just does not move the needle for me. It seems like they should just give Russia the areas that they want and be over with it. Seems silly to have people die over this when most of the residents want to be with Russia anyway. I am open to other thoughts on this.

Talk about being passive and rolling over to take the bone. I want your car, you should just give it to me. Damn man.

Coffee and TV · February 24, 2022

5 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

I usually get pretty engrossed in wars and watching them on TV but for some reason this one just does not move the needle for me. It seems like they should just give Russia the areas that they want and be over with it. Seems silly to have people die over this when most of the residents want to be with Russia anyway. I am open to other thoughts on this.