Recruiting

UNT Texas Hooligan · January 16, 2022

7 minutes ago, meangreenbob said:

Keep in mind we have supposedly had the best or one of the best recruiting classes in CUSA the last several years and where has it gotten us under this so called head coach? 4-6, 5-7. 6-7

I was about to say this. We've seen what Littrell has done with multiple supposed "Number 1 in CUSA recruiting classes." Still waiting for some those classes to show why they were rated number one like I was told multiple times they would.

Edited January 16, 2022 by UNT Texas Hooligan

UNT 90 Grad · January 16, 2022

3 minutes ago, UNT Texas Hooligan said:

I was about to say this. We've seen what Littrell has done with multiple supposed "Number 1 in CUSA recruiting classes." Still waiting for some those classes to show why they were rated number one like I was told multiple times they would.

We had high expectations for a QB that wound up getting benched for the rest of the year and more notably WR talent injured for the year. Keep waiting.

BillySee58 · January 17, 2022

2 hours ago, UNT Texas Hooligan said:

I was about to say this. We've seen what Littrell has done with multiple supposed "Number 1 in CUSA recruiting classes." Still waiting for some those classes to show why they were rated number one like I was told multiple times they would.

2 hours ago, meangreenbob said:

Keep in mind we have supposedly had the best or one of the best recruiting classes in CUSA the last several years and where has it gotten us under this so called head coach? 4-6, 5-7. 6-7

I like how people imply these recruiting rankings are invalidated because the teams were bad while these classes were true freshmen and sophomores. Meanwhile we had poorly rated recruiting classes making up the upperclassmen on these teams and no one points out how those poorly rated recruiting classes made for subpar senior classes.

We were 5-3 in conference with bad QB play. The players from these classes have made an impact and a good amount have proven to be good CUSA players. Get them a QB and I do think we have the roster in place to compete for a division title. Are they going to be a good AAC roster is a very different question. Especially with the current lack of momentum we have in recruiting.

Edited January 17, 2022 by BillySee58

NorthTexasWeLove · January 17, 2022

2 hours ago, Wag Tag said:

Having two 9 win seasons back to back may have matter?

He was right around .500 during first extension. Point stands. Move on. Quit defending mediocrity. There's no point. It's not helpful.

NorthTexasWeLove · January 17, 2022

6 minutes ago, BillySee58 said:

I like how people imply these recruiting rankings are invalidated because the teams were bad while these classes were true freshmen and sophomores. Meanwhile we had poorly rated recruiting classes making up the upperclassmen on these teams and no one points out how those poorly rated recruiting classes made for subpar senior classes.

We were 5-3 in conference with bad QB play. The players from these classes have made an impact and a good amount have proven to be good CUSA players. Get them a QB and I do think we have the roster in place to compete for a division title. Are they going to be a good AAC roster is a very different question. Especially with the current lack of momentum we have in recruiting.

You say 5-3 "in conference" as if that validates anyone or anything. Look at those opponents. Look at this conference. Look at the momentum. Why are you defending this?

Wag Tag · January 17, 2022

9 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

He was right around .500 during first extension. Point stands. Move on. Quit defending mediocrity. There's no point. It's not helpful.

Nice pivot try. After 2 nine win seasons and Mason coming back I would bet the major majority on this site was all for an extension including you. Prove me wrong.

BillySee58 · January 17, 2022

13 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

You say 5-3 "in conference" as if that validates anyone or anything. Look at those opponents. Look at this conference. Look at the momentum. Why are you defending this?

What am I defending exactly?

I don’t think think Littrell is a good coach and I wish we had moved on. I also think those recruiting classes that were highly ranked from 19-21 have generally performed pretty well. These views can be held simultaneously, especially if I’m being intellectually honest and consistent.

I’m not gonna bitch about the top of conference classes he signed being the problem when the truth is they have performed pretty well compared to their conference peers. Especially when the classes that were poor (16-18) were the actual upperclassmen on the bad teams and more directly responsible for the poor performances.

But guess what? Littrell is the one who signed those classes too. He is still at fault. That blame is still being placed at his feet, which is part of why I think we should have moved on.

And if you say that the conference being bad makes it a bad bar to judge things by, I half agree. That is the conference we are in and have been in, so up until this point I think it’s fair to judge them based on their CUSA peers. But going forward we do have to raise that bar which, again, is why I don’t think Littrell is good for the job going forward.

greenminer · January 17, 2022

What the heck is this staff sitting on or waiting for?

The optics of this, and likely the long-term outcome, is awful.

BillySee58 · January 17, 2022

23 minutes ago, Wag Tag said:

Nice pivot try. After 2 nine win seasons and Mason coming back I would bet the major majority on this site was all for an extension including you. Prove me wrong.

Yes and the original post I was responding to said “Yet, people still think Littrell is the guy and would happily give him another extension for a .500 season next year. This is seriously the most uninspired off-season we've had in years.”

No one on here has been saying they would happily give Littrell another extension for a .500 season next year. Two pivots later we got the post you were responding to.

NorthTexasWeLove · January 17, 2022

37 minutes ago, Wag Tag said:

Nice pivot try. After 2 nine win seasons and Mason coming back I would bet the major majority on this site was all for an extension including you. Prove me wrong.

It's well documented I lost all faith in SL in November of 2016 when he took a 5-6 UNT team into El Paso with bowl eligibility on the line and got throat punched by a 3-8 UTEP team by 30. It was uninspired and unmotivated football. Since, he's lost to just about every competitive team we've played save UTSA this year. Army in I believe 2018 if you're really counting. Piss on 9 wins. Look at the wins. And really dive into the losses in the same window of time. It's pathetic. It's gotten worse. And the rumor is he's got it in cruise control while we get dominated in recruiting. Hopefully that's enough proof for you.

Cr1028 · January 17, 2022

1 hour ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

He was right around .500 during first extension. Point stands. Move on. Quit defending mediocrity. There's no point. It's not helpful.

Don’t be ridiculous, he took a 1-11 team that got throttled by Portland State and took them to 5 wins in year 1. Don’t act like you were some savant thinking he didn’t deserve a better deal way back in 2016. I don’t recall anyone being against that contract.

Wag Tag · January 17, 2022

18 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

It's well documented I lost all faith in SL in November of 2016 when he took a 5-6 UNT team into El Paso with bowl eligibility on the line and got throat punched by a 3-8 UTEP team by 30. It was uninspired and unmotivated football. Since, he's lost to just about every competitive team we've played save UTSA this year. Army in I believe 2018 if you're really counting. Piss on 9 wins. Look at the wins. And really dive into the losses in the same window of time. It's pathetic. It's gotten worse. And the rumor is he's got it in cruise control while we get dominated in recruiting. Hopefully that's enough proof for you.

Man 2017 and 2018 must of been Hell for you. He has recruited well the last 2 classes, let’s see how it turns out. You may be right but the transfer portal has changed recruiting strategy. I believe recruiting shows the future of the program.

Cr1028 · January 17, 2022

23 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

It's well documented I lost all faith in SL in November of 2016 when he took a 5-6 UNT team into El Paso with bowl eligibility on the line and got throat punched by a 3-8 UTEP team by 30. It was uninspired and unmotivated football. Since, he's lost to just about every competitive team we've played save UTSA this year. Army in I believe 2018 if you're really counting. Piss on 9 wins. Look at the wins. And really dive into the losses in the same window of time. It's pathetic. It's gotten worse. And the rumor is he's got it in cruise control while we get dominated in recruiting. Hopefully that's enough proof for you.

Documented where? Ever heard of the running back UTEP had playing that day in his last college game before the NFL draft?

Go ahead and say you wanted Littrell gone after year one and I’ll say you were a party of one. Over here trying to act like you discovered fire before everyone else. Get real man.

NorthTexasWeLove · January 17, 2022

15 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Documented where? Ever heard of the running back UTEP had playing that day in his last college game before the NFL draft?

Go ahead and say you wanted Littrell gone after year one and I’ll say you were a party of one. Over here trying to act like you discovered fire before everyone else. Get real man.

301 yards on 24 attempts. A future NFL running back, sure. God, nah.

Defend the absolute definition of mediocrity. That's your choice.

Cr1028 · January 17, 2022

1 hour ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

301 yards on 24 attempts. A future NFL running back, sure. God, nah.

Defend the absolute definition of mediocrity. That's your choice.

You still haven’t produced evidence of your “well documented” stance that you wanted Littrell gone before everyone else way back in 2016.

UNTLifer · January 17, 2022

2 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

. And the rumor is he's got it in cruise control while we get dominated in recruiting. Hopefully that's enough proof for you.

The rumor. What is this rumor and who is it from?

Graddean · January 17, 2022

December 13 through January 13 has been a dead period for recruiting.

Cr1028 · January 17, 2022

1 hour ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

301 yards on 24 attempts. A future NFL running back, sure. God, nah.

Defend the absolute definition of mediocrity. That's your choice.

Just a refresher.

97and03 · January 17, 2022

I think we have all been reminded of a value life lesson. Don’t engage with Ben Gooding.

NorthTexasWeLove · January 17, 2022

8 hours ago, 97and03 said:

I think we have all been reminded of a value life lesson. Don’t engage with Ben Gooding.

Yet, here you are.

9 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

Just a refresher.

What I stated there and the teams ineptness to qualify for bowl eligibility vs a very bad team can both be true, no?

BillySee58 · January 17, 2022

11 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

What I stated there and the teams ineptness to qualify for bowl eligibility vs a very bad team can both be true, no?

By your own admission that UTEP team was in a better situation than we were heading into that season.

You’re being intellectually dishonest by condemning people for “defending mediocrity” for supporting the Littrell extension at 14-13 after year two when you yourself said he “inherited the worst possible situation that college football has to offer.”

Seems pretty clear if you had been told at the time of the hire that Littrell would have the team you deemed “the worst possible situation that college football has to offer” winning 9 games and a division title in Year 2, you would not have deemed that to be mediocrity.

DeepGreen · January 17, 2022

We are eating our own.

meangreenbob · January 17, 2022

13 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

301 yards on 24 attempts. A future NFL running back, sure. God, nah.

Defend the absolute definition of mediocrity. That's your choice.

But wait——-there’s more!!

8 other teams seemed to have found a way to win against the Big NFL monster.

NorthTexasWeLove · January 17, 2022

15 minutes ago, DeepGreen said:

We are eating our own.

Yup. People need to vent because reality doesn't want to be recognized.

30 minutes ago, BillySee58 said:

By your own admission that UTEP team was in a better situation than we were heading into that season.

You’re being intellectually dishonest by condemning people for “defending mediocrity” for supporting the Littrell extension at 14-13 after year two when you yourself said he “inherited the worst possible situation that college football has to offer.”

Seems pretty clear if you had been told at the time of the hire that Littrell would have the team you deemed “the worst possible situation that college football has to offer” winning 9 games and a division title in Year 2, you would not have deemed that to be mediocrity.

Yes, going into that year. You could make that case for every team in the country. But the moment was big and we laid a fat egg. And continue to do so some 6+ years later. Let us needle into details and not recognize the point and problem at hand.