Where do we go from here?

[p_phelps]

1 minute ago, Wag Tag said:

It’s the talent of the back ups!! He better find an experienced transfer!

He filled our open qb scholarships with an fcs qb that played 5 games and the LA tech back up. AND HOPEFULLY  Anune comes back and they can learn from him as they back him up

[Professor Lambeau]

1 minute ago, Wag Tag said:

It’s the talent of the back ups!! He better find a transfer!

If I am a backup QB and I have watched the coach not make a change due to very poor play, then there is no way I would stay.

[GrandGreen]

3 minutes ago, laxtonto said:

The problem is if you fire him and then spend the money to buy him out and his assistants then you are pot committed to hiring someone now. The problem with that is we are seeing a massive hiring cycle in the college ranks this year (way more than most years which can be somewhat attributed to COVID) in whihc we would be the latest of the job open. So we are going to be fishing in a shallow pond that has been pretty heavily picked over..

Unless we already have "our guy" lined up right now, do you want to go out and hire a retread and be prepared to be doing this again in 3 years, during the early part of our move into the AAC?

For every coach hired, there is likely one fired.

There are plenty of ex HC's, lower classification HC's and a myriad of asst. coaches looking to move up.  

Paying Littrell's contract off maybe a lot cheaper than a bad season next year.

There is a lot of young talent on this squad, but with the portal and a lot of good HS players still available: NT shouldn't worry about losing recruits.  

The question at this point is does Littrell have an upside compared to his career thus far.   Baker earn your pay.   

[Wag Tag]

4 minutes ago, Professor Lambeau said:

If I am a backup QB and I have watched the coach not make a change due to very poor play, then there is no way I would stay.

Good. I hope so.

[vpackrats]

As sure as the sun sets in the west, even after a 5 game win streak and beating a Top 25 team, after each loss come the threads to fire Seth.  

One-track minds around here.  We're the oppo of Lego's "everything is awesome" mantra:  here it's "everything sucks and needs to be burned down".

[Udomann]

5 minutes ago, vpackrats said:

As sure as the sun sets in the west, even after a 5 game win streak and beating a Top 25 team, after each loss come the threads to fire Seth.  

One-track minds around here.  We're the oppo of Lego's "everything is awesome" mantra:  here it's "everything sucks and needs to be burned down".

You completely omitted:

The last 2 losing seasons (now 3)

The assistant coaching fails

The inability to find a decent QB

The record against winning teams

5 straight bowl losses

 

No one is calling to fire him after every loss. We are calling to fire him after all the above.

[Moobs]

33 minutes ago, TIgreen01 said:

We just got whipped by a middle of the road MAC team in a home game. 

People forget this team missed an appearance in their conference championship game by losing to Kent State by 1 point in overtime in the final week of the season. 
 

We were much further away from an appearance in the CUSA championship than that. 

[p_phelps]

11 minutes ago, vpackrats said:

As sure as the sun sets in the west, even after a 5 game win streak and beating a Top 25 team, after each loss come the threads to fire Seth.  

One-track minds around here.  We're the oppo of Lego's "everything is awesome" mantra:  here it's "everything sucks and needs to be burned down".

If you call this a successful season then idk what to tell you 

[El Paso Eagle]

17 minutes ago, vpackrats said:

As sure as the sun sets in the west, even after a 5 game win streak and beating a Top 25 team, after each loss come the threads to fire Seth.  

One-track minds around here.  We're the oppo of Lego's "everything is awesome" mantra:  here it's "everything sucks and needs to be burned down".

And as that same sun comes up in the east, even after that same coach finishes his 4th straight losing season, comes the threads about how we should be happy almost winning. #Hit6 should be some we strive for. Lets keep aiming for "at lease we weren't last"

[greenminer]

1 hour ago, Udomann said:

Fuente. Harrell. Bennett.

Just make it happen

You want to see a HC worse than SL? Hire Bennett and that's what you'll get.  Seriously.  I watched his teams.  You don't have to do that, just look him up on Wiki and see his overall record as a HC.

Please retire any Bennett-for-HC thoughts.  Even if it means keeping SL.

Edited December 24, 2021 by greenminer

[Udomann]

6 minutes ago, greenminer said:

You want to see a HC worse than SL? Hire Bennett and that's what you'll get.  Seriously.  I watched his teams.  You don't have to do that, just look him up on Wiki and see his overall record as a HC.

EDIT: Possibly raising hell by doing this, but I'm going to page some of our SMU trolls to chime in, if they have their own thoughts on Coach Bennett as a HC.  @DentonStang @SMU2006 @SMUleopold @SMUMustangs2018 @smustangfan @Pony Fan @PONYEXPRESS

Please retire any Bennett-for-HC thoughts.  Even if it means keeping SL.

You wholly misinterpreted that. I meant them as a combo. HC OC and DC

[greenminer]

my bad. lol

[Udomann]

8 minutes ago, greenminer said:

my bad. lol

all good. Was a sucky afternoon for us all.

[Professor Lambeau]

56 minutes ago, vpackrats said:

As sure as the sun sets in the west, even after a 5 game win streak and beating a Top 25 team, after each loss come the threads to fire Seth.  

One-track minds around here.  We're the oppo of Lego's "everything is awesome" mantra:  here it's "everything sucks and needs to be burned down".

Dear Becca, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and your family.

[El Paso Eagle]

30 minutes ago, greenminer said:

You want to see a HC worse than SL? Hire Bennett and that's what you'll get.  Seriously.  I watched his teams.  You don't have to do that, just look him up on Wiki and see his overall record as a HC.

EDIT: Possibly raising hell by doing this, but I'm going to page some of our SMU trolls to chime in, if they have their own thoughts on Coach Bennett as a HC.  @DentonStang @SMU2006 @SMUleopold @SMUMustangs2018 @smustangfan @Pony Fan @PONYEXPRESS

Please retire any Bennett-for-HC thoughts.  Even if it means keeping SL.

Agree, some people are better Coordinators. Not that it matters now, but SMU did loosen it's admittance standards after PB left to allow more options in recruiting.

[Mean Green Matt]

So…don’t we still, essentially, have our pick of any FCS head coach, any FBS OC/DC, some G5 head coaches, and all the guys currently unemployed. Sure a lot of guys already got hired, but many of those got hired to jobs we couldn’t have outbid anyway. I suppose some guys that JUST got hired to jobs we would typically consider poachable may have buyouts too high. But I can’t imagine someone like Eric Morris wouldn’t still be an option even though he just took an OC job. 

[untbowler]

3 hours ago, UNTexas said:

They had some very good moments for a squad stuck on the field endlessly supporting a pathetic offense. 

They did outside of the constant Murphy twin on the ground with an injury or shoulder bumping a ref because your brother jumped offside. At least PB gave him an earful. Personally he should have been thrown out for the ref bump, but instead he sits a few plays and goes back in.

[southsideguy]

Where do we go from here?  We go no where.  We will be having this same discussion next season and most likely the season after that.  I am not going to another game or buying season tickets again until something changes.  With the Benford era I stopped buying season tickets after his second season.  I had seen enough and knew things were not going to get better.  I only attended a few games when I let my season tickets go.   I bought them again when Grant was hired.  Good thing at UNT you can give up your tickets for a couple of years and still be able to buy new ones without a problem.  I am done with SL football experiment.

Driving home from the game I was upset with spending the money and the time watching the train wreck.   No more.

[Side.Show.Joe]

This bowl was as big of a cupcake as could have been handed to Littrell. A 6-6 MAC team in our own backyard. At least 90% of the crowd was UNT. Littrell is not the coach for UNT. He is not our future. We need a new coach now, not after we endure another under performing season in 2022.

Our players were not out-matched in this bowl. Our coach was out-matched.

[UNT Texas Hooligan]

7 minutes ago, southsideguy said:

Where do we go from here?  We go no where.  We will be having this same discussion next season and most likely the season after that.  I am not going to another game or buying season tickets again until something changes.  With the Benford era I stopped buying season tickets after his second season.  I had seen enough and knew things were not going to get better.  I only attended a few games when I let my season tickets go.   I bought them again when Grant was hired.  Good thing at UNT you can give up your tickets for a couple of years and still be able to buy new ones without a problem.  I am done with SL football experiment.

Driving home from the game I was upset with spending the money and the time watching the train wreck.   No more.

This. And people wonder why we couldn't sell out a bowl game right down the road from us. Continual results like what we just saw are the reason why. A coach that is 0-4 and now 0-5 in bowl games is why. Some people have been there and seen that song and dance before.

[Green P1]

Everyone knows where we go from here… we keep going down the same path.  We’ve all seen this movie before.  We know where it goes. 
 

Cheers!

[ADLER]

On 12/23/2021 at 5:48 PM, Travis said:

I am honestly not sure Wren has the balls to make the right call and let him go. 

Wren has always said that he doesn't evaluate coaches until after their season has been completed.

It's his decision. Wren knows more about the costs of firing and retaining a coach than anybody on this board.

Here's how Seth has compared to his G5 peers:

30 - 34 against G5 opponents during the six year run. Half of those wins (14) came against perpetual cellar dwellers Rice, UTSA, and UTEP.

1 - 5 against our biggest regional rival (Safeway Bowl) -  none of the losses competitive. SMU had never once won in Denton prior to Seth being hired.

0 - 5 in bowl games  -  with four double digit losses being noncompetitive.

Seth's body of work against his peers is less than mediocre. His record in higher profile games is worse than abysmal.

We can all approximate the costs of firing a coach, but what are the real costs of keeping one we shouldn't have?

 

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Edited December 25, 2021 by ADLER

[Mean Green Matt]

11 minutes ago, Green P1 said:

Everyone knows where we go from here… we keep going down the same path.  We’ve all seen this movie before.  We know where it goes. 
 

Cheers!

A truly inspiring message of hope on this Christmas Eve Eve. Thank you. 

[Wag Tag]

If Wren could get an Eric Morris In here, keep Bennet and could care less about the $2m buy out then do it. I just don't see this happening, if you lose Bennet you are in a rebuild. The must frustrating part of this is you had thought we had turned the corner on the play of a 1-6 team!! Today we played exactly like that 1-6 team. Pathetic.

[Got5onIt]

I’m pissed! I spent $150 on two tickets to watch Spanky screw up another bowl game and $10 an atrocious chicken tenders  where I got 3 tiny tenders and a cup of stale fries! Ripoff on both accounts!!