Poll - If SL announced he was taking an OC job at OU or somewhere else would you be disappointed?

bstnsportsfan3 · December 9, 2021

I’d be indifferent. I think he still has a chance to do good things here but I also think quality coaches would be knocking down our door with an opening.

MeanGreen4Life1998 · December 10, 2021

4 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=262520249

https://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=272512567

Thats cool! Did you know he was under an incredibly successful HC at Baylol named Briles? Did you know its possible to become a better coach after learning under another? Do Mario Cristobal or Lane Kiffin ring a bell? No guarantee in anything but id trust him to handle things better at this point

MeanGreenTexan · December 10, 2021

35 minutes ago, MeanGreen4Life1998 said:

Thats cool! Did you know he was under an incredibly successful HC at Baylol named Briles? Did you know its possible to become a better coach after learning under another? Do Mario Cristobal or Lane Kiffin ring a bell? No guarantee in anything but id trust him to handle things better at this point

He had to be coaxed out of retirement to help Seth. I don’t think he’d even consider it himself, let alone Wren considering him.

greenminer · December 10, 2021

48 minutes ago, MeanGreen4Life1998 said:

Thats cool! Did you know he was under an incredibly successful HC at Baylol named Briles? Did you know its possible to become a better coach after learning under another? Do Mario Cristobal or Lane Kiffin ring a bell? No guarantee in anything but id trust him to handle things better at this point

You make this point if you're talking about a young coach who clearly wants to go next level, or even a slightly-older coach who wants a second go-round. It loses weight when you're talking about a guy who is 66 and had to be talked out of retirement by a friend.

Cr1028 · December 10, 2021

Thank you for adding the poll @KingDL1

casual fan · December 10, 2021

OK. Get a new coach. ~~Tear it down~~. Rebuild. 2006 3-9 Darrell Dickey

Get a new coach. ~~Tear it down.~~ Rebuild. 2010 2-9 Todd Dodge (1-6)

Get a new coach. ~~Tear it down.~~ Rebuild. 2015 1-11 Dan McCarney (0-5)

Get a new coach. Tear it down. Rebuild. 2021 6-6 heading into a bowl game

Sounds familiar, except this time it would be tearing it down and then having to rebuild.

MeanGreen4Life1998 · December 10, 2021

1 hour ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

He had to be coaxed out of retirement to help Seth. I don’t think he’d even consider it himself, let alone Wren considering him.

Not saying they necessarily would. But to simply write him off like the uninformed did just because he didn’t succeed as a HC before is dumb

MeanGreenTexan · December 10, 2021

11 hours ago, casual fan said:

OK. Get a new coach. ~~Tear it down~~. Rebuild. 2006 3-9 Darrell Dickey

Get a new coach. ~~Tear it down.~~ Rebuild. 2010 2-9 Todd Dodge (1-6)

Get a new coach. ~~Tear it down.~~ Rebuild. 2015 1-11 Dan McCarney (0-5)

Get a new coach. Tear it down. Rebuild. 2021 6-6 heading into a bowl game

Sounds familiar, except this time it would be tearing it down and then having to rebuild.

What are we having to "tear down"? Heck, what are we having to "rebuild"? The talent is already here!

The issue in your citations is that 1998 - 2016 was a completely different era in the timeframe of UNT Athletics. Everything during this era was done on a shoestring budget with minimal backing from the University as a whole. That era is not pertinent now.

Sadly, I would say about 90+% of people here on GMG.com are only able to view through the lens you're viewing it through. I get it, many of us here were close supporters of the program during this timeframe, so it's what we know.

It needs to be stressed more, so I'll keep banging this drum: Things are different now.
President Smatresk and Wren Baker have a vision for NT athletics that far exceeds anything that Presidents Hurley, Pohl, Battaille (complete opposite of her minimized vision), Rawlins & AD Rick Villareal could ever fathom.

Y'all, it can be so much better than .500.

MGNation92 · December 10, 2021

22 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

What are we having to "tear down"? Heck, what are we having to "rebuild"? The talent is already here!

The issue in your citations is that 1998 - 2016 was a completely different era in the timeframe of UNT Athletics. Everything during this era was done on a shoestring budget with minimal backing from the University as a whole. That era is not pertinent now.

Sadly, I would say about 90+% of people here on GMG.com are only able to view through the lens you're viewing it through. I get it, many of us here were close supporters of the program during this timeframe, so it's what we know.

It needs to be stressed more, so I'll keep banging this drum: Things are different now.
President Smatresk and Wren Baker have a vision for NT athletics that far exceeds anything that Presidents Hurley, Pohl, Battaille (complete opposite of her minimized vision), Rawlins & AD Rick Villareal could ever fathom.

Y'all, it can be so much better than .500.

How dare you have high expectations.

I mean this is NORTH TEXAS

GrandGreen · December 10, 2021

Littrell is not going anywhere this year, but let's keep these kind of threads going because apparently there can not be enough.

NT has won 5 straight and just beat the only ranked school in history.

Yes, I know Fry beat San Diego State after voting them up in the coaches poll. Fry routinely voted any close to good team NT was to play as number 2 in the nation and they magically appeared in the top 20. Voting them number 1 would be too obvious as those votes were shown.

Are there better coaches than Littrell, the answer to that is obvious. However, can NT correctly identify and sign one of those coaches, that would be a big challenge.

Enjoy, NT's success ending with I hope a bowl win. Than 2022 will determine Seph's fate.

MeanGreenTexan · December 10, 2021

12 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

Littrell is not going anywhere this year, but let's keep these kind of threads going because apparently there can not be enough.

NT has won 5 straight and just beat the only ranked school in history.

Yes, I know Fry beat San Diego State after voting them up in the coaches poll. Fry routinely voted any close to good team NT was to play as number 2 in the nation and they magically appeared in the top 20. Voting them number 1 would be too obvious as those votes were shown.

Are there better coaches than Littrell, the answer to that is obvious. However, can NT correctly identify and sign one of those coaches, that would be a big challenge.

Enjoy, NT's success ending with I hope a bowl win. Than 2022 will determine Seph's fate.

I identify with the "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't" argument, for sure. I err that way often.
But I think Wren has shown himself to be very good at his job, and he has resources galore at his fingertips to identify the right guy and go get him.

UNT Texas Hooligan · December 10, 2021

59 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

What are we having to "tear down"? Heck, what are we having to "rebuild"? The talent is already here!

The issue in your citations is that 1998 - 2016 was a completely different era in the timeframe of UNT Athletics. Everything during this era was done on a shoestring budget with minimal backing from the University as a whole. That era is not pertinent now.

Sadly, I would say about 90+% of people here on GMG.com are only able to view through the lens you're viewing it through. I get it, many of us here were close supporters of the program during this timeframe, so it's what we know.

It needs to be stressed more, so I'll keep banging this drum: Things are different now.
President Smatresk and Wren Baker have a vision for NT athletics that far exceeds anything that Presidents Hurley, Pohl, Battaille (complete opposite of her minimized vision), Rawlins & AD Rick Villareal could ever fathom.

Y'all, it can be so much better than .500.

Amazing how many people here have beaten down dog syndrome. Thinking the is the old North Texas with an athletic department that doesn't give a damn about sports and that Seth is the best we can do. Should Seth go, there would be no "rebuild" as many of the pieces are already there. We would just need someone to pick up those pieces and put them together. This is correct that we can and should be better than .500. If Seth has finally figured something out and is that guy, good. If not, we can find someone who can. Barring an absolute implosion in the bowl game, Seth gets another year to prove whether he is that guy or not.

MrAlien · December 10, 2021

At this point in the year, with respect to recruiting and signing, I think it is important to have a coach in place.

97and03 · December 10, 2021

I am on record in the first half of the season calling for Seth’s job. Although I expect more than 6 wins at this point, I think we call all give him credit for keeping the team together and motivated to get to those 6 wins and a bowl. That rarely happens after 1-6 and I didn’t expect it. He earned my respect for that and it is clear he earned another season from the AD.
So maybe it’s time to iron out our wrinkled $100 and root for a bowl win. Who cares who we are playing or which bowl it is? It’s a great opportunity for a very young team to practice and play together one more time. Hopefully this reduces how many head to the portal and attracts a couple recruits to join us.
If Seth fails next year he is gone but he seems to have done the one thing I didn’t think possible: adapt. He changed the offense and started winning. If he now understands how to mold an offense around the talent he has (bc that wasn’t necessarily a strength before) then we might wins some games next year. The defense seems to have turned the corner and lots of talent returns.

golfingomez · December 10, 2021

I am curious to know what people's opinion on the season would have been had the team been able to pull off the comeback against La. Tech?

I know the team would still have been 2-4 and we can play the what if game all day long(including talking about how the winning streak may have never even happened.

But are those on the get rid of Seth train still on it?

MGNation92 · December 10, 2021

24 minutes ago, golfingomez said:

I am curious to know what people's opinion on the season would have been had the team been able to pull off the comeback against La. Tech?

I know the team would still have been 2-4 and we can play the what if game all day long(including talking about how the winning streak may have never even happened.

But are those on the get rid of Seth train still on it?

Yes

casual fan · December 10, 2021

6 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

What are we having to "tear down"? Heck, what are we having to "rebuild"? The talent is already here!

The issue in your citations is that 1998 - 2016 was a completely different era in the timeframe of UNT Athletics. Everything during this era was done on a shoestring budget with minimal backing from the University as a whole. That era is not pertinent now.

Sadly, I would say about 90+% of people here on GMG.com are only able to view through the lens you're viewing it through. I get it, many of us here were close supporters of the program during this timeframe, so it's what we know.

It needs to be stressed more, so I'll keep banging this drum: Things are different now.
President Smatresk and Wren Baker have a vision for NT athletics that far exceeds anything that Presidents Hurley, Pohl, Battaille (complete opposite of her minimized vision), Rawlins & AD Rick Villareal could ever fathom.

Y'all, it can be so much better than .500.

Littrell has a pretty good and improving young team. Of the 26 players listed on the offensive depth chart for the bowl game, only 3 are seniors. On defense only 5 of 22 players are seniors.

I agree things are different now. Player can now transfer easily when a head coach and his staff leave.

Tom McKrackin · December 11, 2021

1 hour ago, casual fan said:

Littrell has a pretty good and improving young team. Of the 26 players listed on the offensive depth chart for the bowl game, only 3 are seniors. On defense only 5 of 22 players are seniors.

I agree things are different now. Player can now transfer easily when a head coach and his staff leave.

Yes he does but need I remind you that he has been here 6 years now. About as long as it took me to get my bachelors degree at NT. That’s a long time!

MeanGreenTexan · December 11, 2021

1 hour ago, casual fan said:

Littrell has a pretty good and improving young team. Of the 26 players listed on the offensive depth chart for the bowl game, only 3 are seniors. On defense only 5 of 22 players are seniors.

I agree things are different now. Player can now transfer easily when a head coach and his staff leave.

It sounds like you’re assuming all of those guys would hit the portal if Littrell were to leave?

Jonnyeagle · December 11, 2021

17 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

It sounds like you’re assuming all of those guys would hit the portal if Littrell were to leave?

You think they wouldn’t?

UNTLifer · December 11, 2021

2 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

You think they wouldn’t?

All, no. Some, maybe. A few, probably.

casual fan · December 11, 2021

6 hours ago, Tom McKrackin said:

Yes he does but need I remind you that he has been here 6 years now. About as long as it took me to get my bachelors degree at NT. That’s a long time!

I received my bachelor's degree in 4 years. It just takes some people longer than others, so let's cut Littrell some slack.

MeanGreenTexan · December 11, 2021

11 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

You think they wouldn’t?

No. Especially after they see who Baker brings in!

Quoner · December 11, 2021

19 hours ago, Tom McKrackin said:

Yes he does but need I remind you that he has been here 6 years now. About as long as it took me to get my bachelors degree at NT. That’s a long time!

To be fair, you probably walked the wrong stage at least twice, but the point stands.