Former players coming to Seth’s defense

[emmitt01]

50 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

If Seth is replaced and the replacement does worse, would you admit that you put  your animosity towards Seth over what would’ve been best for the university?

I’ll happily take part in that experiment 

[TheColonyEagle]

I think all of this is moot. You can see the narrative that’s forming. 
 

Young team-figuring it out-didn’t quit-talent coming back next year-ignore the covid year

All that points to him coming back next year. Even though it’s under false pretenses when all he’s done is what he’s done his entire career here: lose to good teams, beat bad teams. 
 

I think the only way he’s gone is if we get embarrassed and blown out next Saturday. If he keeps it close or actually wins, I think he’ll be back. 
 

Then next season we could very easily win 9 games. This conference is a mess.  Our tough games will be SMU, UAB Memphis and UTSA. Odds are we go 0-4 in those games. Maybe 1-3. We should be favored in the other games depending on who we get in the east. Same ole same ole. 

 

Edited November 21, 2021 by TheColonyEagle

[Pavlovs Eagle]

The football culture among the UNT fanbase is so frustrating.  There is nothing Seth has done in 6 seasons to say we won't be bottom of the barrel in the AAC. 

I expect each of us will watch that season ticket check cash in Feb of 2023 while hoping teams like Tulane, Rice, and Memphis are bad instead of being comforted that our wins will come decisively and convincingly from our 8th year $2m paycheck coach.

[emmitt01]

6 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Quite the contrary, people tend to forget the first 3 years and focus only on these last 3. He has done a enough to have 2022. If you pull the trigger on the new coach and it doesn’t work out, you have now set the program back 4 years instead of 1. 

If we were the university of Texas then all our complaints about where we “should be” could be warranted. Historically we have more in common with Kansas than Texas. Let’s not go and replace our Mangino with a Turner Gill.

Oh, I remember the first 3 years.  I remember being dismantled in bowl games.  I remember not winning any championships, and being curb stomped in the one conference title game.  
 

I remember that he never replaced Mason Fine, or the wide receivers that now play in the NFL.  I remember that we absolutely SKEWER Darrell Dickey for failing to recruit well after he hit on a couple good classes…is the standard different for SL, have we lowered the bar for a guy we pay millions?  

And “we aren’t Texas” is the most defeatist attitude I have ever heard!  We may not have a Big XII level budget or facilities, but we damn sure have a budget and facilities at the top of CUSA.  The problem with SL, and there are absolutely ZERO valid excuses, is that we don’t have a football program that is at the top of CUSA.

[MeanGreen22]

Look at y’all. Can’t even enjoy a 4 game win streak for 24 hours before you have to tear it apart. It’s gotta be exhausting. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

18 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Tell that to Todd Dodge.

Nothing of note took place under either coach. Big picture, they're the same. 

[untjim1995]

What I can’t comprehend is how anyone can even think an SL team can beat UTSA or a bowl opponent (I.e. someone good)…the next time that happens will basically be the first time since we beat Army in his first season, before we lost to them again in the HoD Bowl later that season. I mean, we don’t just beat those good teams, we usually get walloped by multiple TDs. 
 

Maybe we change and beat an undefeated and ranked UTSA team that looks at is as their Super Bowl every year.  But I don’t see how…

[Cr1028]

Wow, nothing says putting the program first like telling the team a 4 game winning streak is meaningless. It must suck to root for our own demise just for a change of scenery.

[GRN-WHT]

25 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

The point is that the replacement isn’t guaranteed to be better and in fact could be far worse.

That’s the same crap that was spewed around here when people were rightly saying RV should be gone. 
 

I’m in on taking the chance. To me, it doesn’t get much worse. 

[GRN-WHT]

30 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Quite the contrary, people tend to forget the first 3 years and focus only on these last 3. He has done a enough to have 2022. If you pull the trigger on the new coach and it doesn’t work out, you have now set the program back 4 years instead of 1. 

The first 3 years where Seth got lucky with a good QB and OC, yet still managed to get curb stomped by better teams and not bring home any trophies?

[Green Lantern]

10 hours ago, MeanGreen22 said:

Look at y’all. Can’t even enjoy a 4 game win streak for 24 hours before you have to tear it apart. It’s gotta be exhausting. 

Enjoying the improved play across the board. Like that young players are contributing in big ways. Lack of penalties these past several weeks has been very encouraging and showed a more poised, “locked in” approach.

Proud of the team for getting us in a position where this upcoming game actually matters. 

Let’s ruin UTSA’s season and punch our ticket to a bowl!

Edited November 22, 2021 by Green Lantern

[Mean Green Matt]

48 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Seth has a losing record here. A losing record is a losing record, to me..doesn't matter if it's .499 or .300. He has also brought 0 pieces of hardware. 

The replacement can't do worse. 

That’s actually not true. We have a west division title from 2017. 

[TheColonyEagle]

14 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Wow, nothing says putting the program first like telling the team a 4 game winning streak is meaningless. 

It’s not meaningless. But neither is the 6 game losing streak just before it. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

1 minute ago, Mean Green Matt said:

That’s actually not true. We have a west division title from 2017. 

[Cr1028]

16 minutes ago, GRN-WHT said:

That’s the same crap that was spewed around here when people were rightly saying RV should be gone. 
 

I’m in on taking the chance. To me, it doesn’t get much worse. 

You have forgotten 66-7 then.

[UNTcrazy727]

36 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

What I can’t comprehend is how anyone can even think an SL team can beat UTSA or a bowl opponent (I.e. someone good)…the next time that happens will basically be the first time since we beat Army in his first season, before we lost to them again in the HoD Bowl later that season. I mean, we don’t just beat those good teams, we usually get walloped by multiple TDs. 
 

Maybe we change and beat an undefeated and ranked UTSA team that looks at is as their Super Bowl every year.  But I don’t see how…

You do realize UTSA has more important goals right now than beating UNT? Make no mistake, Saturday is our Super Bowl. 

[outoftown]

57 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

If Seth is replaced and the replacement does worse, would you admit that you put  your animosity towards Seth over what would’ve been best for the university?

No. Firing SL would be a risk. Things could be worse than with him. But it is a necessary risk to take. We know the ceiling. Its year 6 and SL has not been to within 3 touchdowns of winning a conference championship. And fear of failure should not be the reason to accept the opportunity cost of not taking a shot at at achieving what actually should be the standard.

That said, I am always willing to incorporate new data points, so if he beats this years conference champion or stays at least close at all times, maybe he indeed is on to something. I would however not bet on it.

Something else to think about: There will likely be less teams at the level of this years USM and FIU in the AAC. Gotta improve just to stay where you are.

Edited November 21, 2021 by outoftown

[MeanMag]

1 hour ago, NorthTexan95 said:

It would be difficult to be worse than we've been over the past three years. 

Would it? FIU has that blueprint. I never want UNT to go through that again.

[Cr1028]

1 minute ago, MeanMag said:

Would it? FIU has that blueprint. I never want UNT to go through that again.

This above all else!!!!

[Rudy]

1 hour ago, TheColonyEagle said:

I think all of this is moot. You can see the narrative that’s forming. 
 

Young team-figuring it out-didn’t quit-talent coming back next year-ignore the covid year

All that points to him coming back next year. Even though it’s under false pretenses when all he’s done is what he’s done his entire career here: lose to good teams, beat bad teams. 
 

I think the only way he’s gone is if we get embarrassed and blown out next Saturday. If he keeps it close or actually wins, I think he’ll be back. 
 

Then next season we could very easily win 9 games. This conference is a mess.  Our tough games will be SMU, UAB Memphis and UTSA. Odds are we go 0-4 in those games. Maybe 1-3. We should be favored in the other games depending on who we get in the east. Same ole same ole. 

 

I think the blowout last night secured him for next year.

1 hour ago, Cr1028 said:

Wow, nothing says putting the program first like telling the team a 4 game winning streak is meaningless. It must suck to root for our own demise just for a change of scenery.

It also sucks to be happy with mediocrity.  And no one thinks its "meaningless".  They just don't believe that its indicitive of Seth turning the corner.  The problem isn't the losses.  Its the way the games were lost.  Lack of in game adjustments, stupid undiciplined penalties, etc.

[GRN-WHT]

48 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

You have forgotten 66-7 then.

Is that your standard for firing a coach?

You’ve forgotten UAB, Marshall and Liberty.

If we played Sam Houston or another FCS team that was as good as that Portland St. team this season, an 0-7 start would have been very possible. 

You like to mention Seth’s first 3 years. Both Seth and McCarney took previously bottom feeding teams to 5 wins in their first seasons. They both had a 9 win season in year 3. Mac won a trophy, Seth hasn’t. Sounds pretty even. 
 

Year 5 Mac starts 0-5, gets fired, take out the Covid season, year 6 Seth starts 1-6, keeps his job. All the while Mac worked for a fraction of money Seth does. 
 

I don’t see much of a difference between Mac and Seth at this point.  

[Cr1028]

15 minutes ago, Rudy said:

It also sucks to be happy with mediocrity.  And no one thinks its "meaningless".  They just don't believe that its indicitive of Seth turning the corner.  The problem isn't the losses.  Its the way the games were lost.  Lack of in game adjustments, stupid undiciplined penalties, etc.

Mediocrity beats the hell out of 1-11 for me.

[Cr1028]

1 minute ago, GRN-WHT said:

Is that your standard for firing a coach?

You’ve forgotten UAB, Marshall and Liberty.

If we played Sam Houston or another FCS team that was as good as that Portland St. team this season, an 0-7 start would have been very possible. 

You like to mention Seth’s first 3 years. Both Seth and McCarney took previously bottom feeding teams to 5 wins in their first seasons. They both had a 9 win season in year 3. Mac won a trophy, Seth hasn’t. Sounds pretty even. 
 

Year 5 Mac starts 0-5, gets fired, take out the Covid season, year 6 Seth starts 1-6, keeps his job. All the while Mac worked for a fraction of money Seth does. 
 

I don’t see much of a difference between Mac and Seth at this point.  

Seth has two 9-win seasons and a division title. McCarney put his relationship with an old teammate above the best interest of the team. Once DT was gone (who was Todd Dodge groomed), it was Iowa time. 

[GRN-WHT]

4 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Mediocrity beats the hell out of 1-11 for me.

Neither should be tolerated here anymore. 

[GRN-WHT]

2 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

McCarney put his relationship with an old teammate above the best interest of the team. Once DT was gone (who was Todd Dodge groomed), it was Iowa time. 

You’re making my point. Regardless of how we got there, both coaches rode a hot QB and we’re unable to find a FBS level QB to replace them.