Former players coming to Seth’s defense

[Jonnyeagle]

 

[MeanMag]

He's right. There are/were a ton of injuries. Things could have gotten really bad.

And I was full of gloom, too, because it didn't look like we would win another game.

Things have turned around and there is credit to be handed out for that.

I really want this coaching staff to have success here, because

- They are here right now

- I can't think of 2 better guys for these positions:

   - Phil Bennett is a defensive guru. He is in the perfect spot as a DC.

   - I love that Patrick Cobbs is our freaking RB coach.

Those guys wouldn't be there without a HC that made that happen.

[emmitt01]

The question isn’t now, and has never been, whether SL could get his team prepared enough to beat BAD teams (FIU has given up 45+ points a total of six times this season).  
 

The question is whether he can coach the team up to stay competitive with good teams in our league (nope, see UAB and Marshall games) or whether he can adjust and close out games where we lead (nope, see Liberty game).   
 

We have seen how high Littrell can take us. I think he is a great guy and even an excellent ambassador for our program…but the name of the game is winning, even if circumstances aren’t 100% perfect.  As my officers tell me at least once a week, “that’s why they pay you the big bucks.” 

[MeanMag]

6 minutes ago, emmitt01 said:

The question isn’t now, and has never been, whether SL could get his team prepared enough to beat BAD teams (FIU has given up 45+ points a total of six times this season).  
 

The question is whether he can coach the team up to stay competitive with good teams in our league (nope, see UAB and Marshall games) or whether he can adjust and close out games where we lead (nope, see Liberty game).   
 

We have seen how high Littrell can take us. I think he is a great guy and even an excellent ambassador for our program…but the name of the game is winning, even if circumstances aren’t 100% perfect.  As my officers tell me at least once a week, “that’s why they pay you the big bucks.” 

This is why we pay Wren "the big bucks".

[Glory to the Green]

I can’t find the tweet,  but another former player referenced how UTSA best us when we were on the verge of a conference championship.  He said, “let’s return the favor” or something like that. I’ll keep looking…

[SilverEagle]

No one has mentioned it yet so I will offer this opinion. This turnaround is probably more about Phil Bennett than SL. SL presides over collapses, not gritty clawing and scratching turnarounds.....or (because of the competition, pseudo-turnarounds). 

It's a bit over the top (Gary Patterson over the top), but I'd prefer something like this from a coach

And NO, I am not advocating that SL be shown the door so that the HC job can be given to Phil Bennett.

[El Paso Eagle]

#OLDDENTON 

Fans should be happy we have a chance to win 6 games. Should not expect more from a $2M coach in year 6.

With all due respect this is the same as a big dollar donor putting the person before the school. Admirable ex-players are stepping up but it just shows that they put the relationship with Seth above what's best for North Texas

 

[Glory to the Green]

This is the tweet I referenced. I was a little off

[Cr1028]

5 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

#OLDDENTON 

Fans should be happy we have a chance to win 6 games. Should not expect more from a $2M coach in year 6.

With all due respect this is the same as a big dollar donor putting the person before the school. Admirable ex-players are stepping up but it just shows that they put the relationship with Seth above what's best for North Texas

If Seth is replaced and the replacement does worse, would you admit that you put  your animosity towards Seth over what would’ve been best for the university?

[TIgreen01]

56 minutes ago, emmitt01 said:

The question isn’t now, and has never been, whether SL could get his team prepared enough to beat BAD teams (FIU has given up 45+ points a total of six times this season).  
 

The question is whether he can coach the team up to stay competitive with good teams in our league (nope, see UAB and Marshall games) or whether he can adjust and close out games where we lead (nope, see Liberty game).   
 

We have seen how high Littrell can take us. I think he is a great guy and even an excellent ambassador for our program…but the name of the game is winning, even if circumstances aren’t 100% perfect.  As my officers tell me at least once a week, “that’s why they pay you the big bucks.” 

This is all true.  
What is also true is that if we beat a top 20, undefeated nutsack next week  Wren cannot fire SL.  It’s simply an untenable position to take.

[NorthTexan95]

18 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

If Seth is replaced and the replacement does worse, would you admit that you put  your animosity towards Seth over what would’ve been best for the university?

It would be difficult to be worse than we've been over the past three years. 

[TheColonyEagle]

24 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

If Seth is replaced and the replacement does worse, would you admit that you put  your animosity towards Seth over what would’ve been best for the university?

So is your position: “be glad with what we have because it could always be worse”

I don’t see anyone with animosity toward Seth Littrell. I’ve seen quite the opposite. Like Seth Littrell. Don’t like Seth Littrell’s 6 season body of work. It’s simply not good enough to get this program where it should go. I’m not going to apologize for not sitting in my place as a Mean Green alum and fan and accepting 6 wins and beating bad teams because we never have. 
 

People (mostly outsiders that have a certain opinion of UNT) that say I’m lucky to get what I get as a MG fan can piss off. I want more. The University  has invested enough to expect more.  And I want it. 

[greengal]

I’m no expert but could we not just give Littrell just one more year and see if this progress continues?  

[NorthTexasWeLove]

37 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

If Seth is replaced and the replacement does worse, would you admit that you put  your animosity towards Seth over what would’ve been best for the university?

Seth has a losing record here. A losing record is a losing record, to me..doesn't matter if it's .499 or .300. He has also brought 0 pieces of hardware. 

The replacement can't do worse. 

[TheColonyEagle]

2 minutes ago, greengal said:

I’m no expert but could we not just give Littrell just one more year and see if this progress continues?  

If we at least compete next Saturday I’m thinking that will happen anyway…

[UNTcrazy727]

1 minute ago, greengal said:

I’m no expert but could we not just give Littrell just one more year and see if this progress continues?  

Sure…if he wins out with 2 wins over quality opponents (UTSA, bowl game). That would be a real sign of progress. Not beating 4 teams in the cellar of CUSA. 

[El Paso Eagle]

39 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

If Seth is replaced and the replacement does worse, would you admit that you put  your animosity towards Seth over what would’ve been best for the university?

100% no. Just because the next coach may not work out does not mean Seth is the right coach. Again when you talk about the emotions,  we start winning against the worst teams in our schedule and people want to start forgetting the full body of six years of work. Maybe you just actually like complaining and being a under performing program then you would if we won and didn't have as much to complain about?

[El Paso Eagle]

5 minutes ago, greengal said:

I’m no expert but could we not just give Littrell just one more year and see if this progress continues?  

With all due respect what progress? This is the end of Seth's six-year running the program. More resources have been thrown into the program than ever before and we're still getting excited about finishing in the bottom half of the conference

[UNTcrazy727]

50 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

No one has mentioned it yet so I will offer this opinion. This turnaround is probably more about Phil Bennett than SL. SL presides over collapses, not gritty clawing and scratching turnarounds.....or (because of the competition, pseudo-turnarounds). 

It's a bit over the top (Gary Patterson over the top), but I'd prefer something like this from a coach

And NO, I am not advocating that SL be shown the door so that the HC job can be given to Phil Bennett.

But Littrell convinced Bennett to come out of retirement to fix the defense. Do you not give him any credit for that? 

We like to rip Littrell for his failed assistant hires so we need to credit him for the ones that work. 

[Cr1028]

3 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Seth has a losing record here. A losing record is a losing record, to me..doesn't matter if it's .499 or .300. He has also brought 0 pieces of hardware. 

The replacement can't do worse. 

Tell that to Todd Dodge.

[TheColonyEagle]

1 minute ago, Cr1028 said:

Tell that to Todd Dodge.

So is the standard “just be better than Todd Dodge?”

[Cr1028]

2 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

100% no. Just because the next coach may not work out does not mean Seth is the right coach. Again when you talk about the emotions,  we start winning against the worst teams in our schedule and people want to start forgetting the full body of six years of work. Maybe you just actually like complaining and being a under performing program then you would if we won and didn't have as much to complain about?

Quite the contrary, people tend to forget the first 3 years and focus only on these last 3. He has done a enough to have 2022. If you pull the trigger on the new coach and it doesn’t work out, you have now set the program back 4 years instead of 1. 

If we were the university of Texas then all our complaints about where we “should be” could be warranted. Historically we have more in common with Kansas than Texas. Let’s not go and replace our Mangino with a Turner Gill.

[SilverEagle]

5 minutes ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

But Littrell convinced Bennett to come out of retirement to fix the defense. Do you not give him any credit for that? 

We like to rip Littrell for his failed assistant hires so we need to credit him for the ones that work. 

How do you know it wasn't Wren Baker that convinced Bennett to come out of retirement? Remember Baker and the AD @ Baylor (where Bennett last coached) are buds. 

[Cr1028]

3 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:

So is the standard “just be better than Todd Dodge?”

The point is that the replacement isn’t guaranteed to be better and in fact could be far worse.

[El Paso Eagle]

7 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Tell that to Todd Dodge.

Dodge was one of the biggest wasted opportunities in the history of North Texas football. Should have never brought him in if he was going to be saddled with a budget that would not allow him to hire decent assistants 

Edited November 21, 2021 by El Paso Eagle