As Far As I'm Concerned, Enough Has Been Said...

MeanGreenTexan · November 10, 2021

26 minutes ago, Wag Tag said:

This means he gets the money no matter what other job he gets!

It makes sense for VATech fiscally to wait. They save almost the entirety of Littrell's buyout amount by waiting. Not sure how much NT saves by waiting.

El Paso Eagle · November 10, 2021

3 hours ago, MGNation92 said:

I'd be happy with either Fuente or Carthel. One thing to note

Carthel is 12-16(so far) in his three seasons at SFA

Fuente is 17-16(so far) in his last three seasons at VT.

Carthel is a rising star for sure, but I'd be wary about his potential success at the FBS level.

Fuente, on the other hand has helped build up 2 FBS programs(TCU and Memphis), and despite recent down years (with SKY HIGH expectations from the fanbase and donors), he still has a winning record at VT.

Fuente is my preferred candidate with Carthel being second if those are our only options. I'd be willing to bet there will be a lot more than just two coaches vying for this job when it opens.

Let's compromise 😈 - Fuente as the HC, and Carthel as the DC 😇

Edited November 10, 2021 by El Paso Eagle

Wag Tag · November 10, 2021

2 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

It makes sense for VATech fiscally to wait. They save almost the entirety of Littrell's buyout amount by waiting. Not sure how much NT saves by waiting.

VT won’t wait. Would kill recruiting. They will come to an early agreement.

Edited November 10, 2021 by Wag Tag

Mike Jackson · November 11, 2021

7 hours ago, NTSU52 said:

Dodge and McCarney built up momentum?

I assume he was being sarcastic. Did you not make that assumption earlier?

meangreen11 · November 11, 2021

55 minutes ago, Mike Jackson said:

I assume he was being sarcastic. Did you not make that assumption earlier?

Hey we beat Indiana. We gave Navy a good game.

Edited November 11, 2021 by Coach Andy Mac

untjim1995 · November 11, 2021

6 hours ago, RBP79 said:

The best thing Seth has done at NT is hire Graham Harrell who found and signed Mason Fine. When Harrell left the wheels started shaking and when Mason graduated they fell off.

Graham Harrell didn’t find Mason Fine. SL did because of his ties to Oklahoma.

emmitt01 · November 11, 2021

11 hours ago, golfingomez said:

Who knows, but you are right, a program that had not had a losing season since 1992 is now faced with Fuente delivering potentially three in four years. This despite the fact that he is getting paid roughly 2.5 times what Seth is.

Sounds exactly the same as our situation. I can't believe Seth came in and screwed up all the momentum we had built up under Dickey/Dodge/McCarney. He has just run this program into the ground.

Show me the championships. Dickey can.

RBP79 · November 11, 2021

16 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

Graham Harrell didn’t find Mason Fine. SL did because of his ties to Oklahoma.

I seem to remember a different story but the basic scenario remains true. But here's the story..

"Mason Fine - Wikipedia" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason_Fine#Recruitment

Edited November 11, 2021 by RBP79

El Paso Eagle · November 11, 2021

I think it safe to say none of our coaches, or anyone else scouted and recognized Mason's potential. Seth made a call to a friend, and we got a hidden gem.

golfingomez · November 11, 2021

7 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

I think it safe to say none of our coaches, or anyone else scouted and recognized Mason's potential. Seth made a call to a friend, and we got a hidden gem.

correct, no one in FBS did.

Edited November 11, 2021 by golfingomez

MeanGreenTexan · November 15, 2021

Fuente's Hokies blow out Duke this week.
He looks to be on the same train as Littrell (except he already has 1 more win than Littrell): Outwardly, he has 2 more games left to win 1 and get to bowl eligibility! Behind the scenes, decision makers are counting down the clock to December 15th.

I actually think (especially if UAB happens to spoil UTSA this weekend) Littrell's road to coaching with his current school next season is easier than Fuente's. Of course, Littrell could lose this weekend and Fuente could win both of his next two, and I'd believe the opposite.

PlummMeanGreen · November 15, 2021

4 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Fuente's Hokies blow out Duke this week.
He looks to be on the same train as Littrell (except he already has 1 more win than Littrell): Outwardly, he has 2 more games left to win 1 and get to bowl eligibility! Behind the scenes, decision makers are counting down the clock to December 15th.

I actually think (especially if UAB happens to spoil UTSA this weekend) Littrell's road to coaching with his current school next season is easier than Fuente's. Of course, Littrell could lose this weekend and Fuente could win both of his next two, and I'd believe the opposite.

Now ancient history, but Fry was not close to being .500 at SMU the day he signed on with UNT in December, 1972.

Personally, I think Neal Smatresk & Wren Baker already know exactly what they are going to with our coach as UNT embarks with a future as a member of the American Athletic Conference. At this stage of the game 1 or 2 more wins won’t make a bit of difference in their overall Big Picture. (May be wrong, but am just going on both their recent history).

🦅

Edited November 15, 2021 by PlummMeanGreen

southsideguy · November 15, 2021

SL went from 3 to 22 can he not do anything right......😉

El Paso Eagle · November 16, 2021

23 minutes ago, southsideguy said:

SL went from 3 to 22 can he not do anything right......😉

Sadly, I think that is more of an indictment of the perceived low expectations/standards UNT has shown it is willing to accept.

greenminer · December 16, 2021

On 11/10/2021 at 2:03 PM, MeanGreenTexan said:

It makes sense for VATech fiscally to wait.

On 11/15/2021 at 1:12 PM, MeanGreenTexan said:

Behind the scenes, decision makers are counting down the clock to December 15th.

They didn't wait. They didn't count the clock.

MeanGreenTexan · December 16, 2021

10 hours ago, greenminer said:

They didn't wait. They didn't count the clock.

I also said this directly after that quote:

On 11/15/2021 at 1:12 PM, MeanGreenTexan said:

...I actually think (especially if UAB happens to spoil UTSA this weekend) Littrell's road to coaching with his current school next season is easier than Fuente's...

Also,
I'd like to point out that all of these prognostications were made prior to NT beating UTSA (and, if we're being honest, no one thought we were going to do that), which forced Wren to hang onto Littrell, at least through the bowl game.

Of course, I'm thrilled we won that game, and look forward to whipping Miami, OH. I am just hoping for better than .500.

Cerebus · December 16, 2021

22 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Of course, I'm thrilled we won that game, and look forward to whipping Miami, OH. I am just hoping for better than .500.