Does AAC make a mad dash for UNT when it looks like the MWC wants UNT & the Texas TV & Recruiting market?

[PlummMeanGreen]

ADDENDUM:  Much has changed since this thread was posted & for the betterment of North Texas Athletics most agree, but (as Wren Baker said)  this re-alignment business will still continue.  
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Exciting times in Mean Green Country in spite of this football season. 

Some have said the MWC is already a better conference than the AAC top to bottom.  

📺 There are more TV’s in the homes of UNT-affiliated DFW citizens than any other university in DFW & Texas bar none.

•••The DFW Metroplex will pass Philadelphia in the next media census count due to so many out-of-staters who have moved to the Lone Star State.  (Joe Rogan being one of them).😆

https://mediatracks.com/resources/nielsen-dma-rankings-2021/

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Edited October 23, 2021 by PlummMeanGreen

[PlummMeanGreen]

A usually reliable source said Aresca & the AAC do not want the MWC in DFW, least of all Texas.  

[DeepGreen]

Meaning, we “may” invite UNT “only” because we don’t want the MWC in the DFW market.

If the MWC calls us, we accept.  Screw the AAC!

[untjim1995]

I hate to say this, but we can’t compete in either of those conferences if we can’t even avoid the cellar of CUSA West. Sadly, this is where we have proven we belong. 
 

If the MWC adds us, it’s gonna be a miracle.

[wardly]

The AAC is already in the DFW market with a top 25 foot ball team and does not need us as we bring nothing new to the table. My hope is the MWC but have seen nothing in print to indicate that they are interested in UNT.

[DeepGreen]

Then we just sit tight, hope for the best, and “let the hair go with the hide”.

[EagleTech]

You accept whichever offer comes first from the AAC or MWC.  

The MWC news has been all over the place recently. First, two ADs speak out on the radio about expanding into Texas, then the MWC commish the other day states his preference to hold until they negotiate their next TV deal and that the TV partners don’t see any value adds currently available.  We’ve been hearing expansion talk from the MWC for years now and nothing has happened.

All UNT can do is keep investing in the program and not settling for mediocrity. That starts with getting a new football coach.

[PlummMeanGreen]

50 minutes ago, EagleTech said:

You accept whichever offer comes first from the AAC or MWC.  

The MWC news has been all over the place recently. First, two ADs speak out on the radio about expanding into Texas, then the MWC commish the other day states his preference to hold until they negotiate their next TV deal and that the TV partners don’t see any value adds currently available.  We’ve been hearing expansion talk from the MWC for years now and nothing has happened.

All UNT can do is keep investing in the program and not settling for mediocrity. That starts with getting a new football coach.

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[Victorygreen04]

2 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

I hate to say this, but we can’t compete in either of those conferences if we can’t even avoid the cellar of CUSA West. Sadly, this is where we have proven we belong. 
 

If the MWC adds us, it’s gonna be a miracle.

I see your point…. but it’s not all about football. 

[untjim1995]

1 hour ago, Victorygreen04 said:

I see your point…. but it’s not all about football. 

Yeah, it pretty much is all about football with this round of realignment. 
 

Look at Kansas. Sure, they’ll probably get called up one day to the Power 4. But for now, a school that is AAU for research, has a very nice market in KC, and has a major program in the second revenue sport of mens hoops…and the worst Power Football Program in America, bar none. And all of that keeps them in a watered down Big XII. 

[UNT 90 Grad]

3 hours ago, wardly said:

The AAC is already in the DFW market with a top 25 foot ball team and does not need us as we bring nothing new to the table. My hope is the MWC but have seen nothing in print to indicate that they are interested in UNT.

Maybe SMU needs a travel partner.   Maybe all this UNT conference alignment talk comes to an end this week. 
 

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[PlummMeanGreen]

I know I’m sounding like a robotic talking parrot, but as Victorygreen04 already said this is not about what’s happening now in UNT football. Rather it’s  about the whole program, our budget, our venues & our upside for more growth (which few in the G5 can match UNT’s).   

If this was only about just football, then SMU (🙄) would have never had an inaugural  season in CUSA back in 2005;  you see that’s because the Mustangs previous 10 seasons before 2005 were all .500 & less in wins/losses. 

Edited October 18, 2021 by PlummMeanGreen

[wardly]

From every thing I have read [hey, I am nearly 79 and have time on my hands] it's 75% football and 25% basketball. Just my opinion, but the  AAC would be foolish to add a lesser program in the same neighborhood.  UTSA and Rice have a shot because of their location. On the other hand, the MWC has only one direction to expand and that is East. If I were then I would say the hell with it and add UTEP [playing well this year], UTSA [ top 25] , UNT [ worst 1A program in the state ] and Rice [better than UNT and Texas State]. But I doubt they have the chops to be that bold, so everyone will wait on the AAC to decide out fate.

[Victorygreen04]

1 hour ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

I know I’m sounding like a robotic talking parrot, but as Victorygreen04 already said this is not about what’s happening now in UNT football. Rather it’s  about the whole program, our budget, our venues & our upside for more growth (which few in the G5 can match UNT’s).   

If this was only about just football, then SMU (🙄) would have never had an inaugural  season in CUSA back in 2005;  you see that’s because the Mustangs previous 10 seasons before 2005 were all .500 & less in wins/losses. 

 

Edited October 18, 2021 by Victorygreen04

[Wag Tag]

1 hour ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

I know I’m sounding like a robotic talking parrot, but as Victorygreen04 already said this is not about what’s happening now in UNT football. Rather it’s  about the whole program, our budget, our venues & our upside for more growth (which few in the G5 can match UNT’s).   

If this was only about just football, then SMU (🙄) would have never had an inaugural  season in CUSA back in 2005;  you see that’s because the Mustangs previous 10 seasons before 2005 were all .500 & less in wins/losses. 

 

[wardly]

Thanks for posting this chart! When push comes to shove I hope it is a significant factor in UNT being seriously considered for other conference's  expansion. To help an old man out could you identify the school to the right of UAB?  I think its ODU .

[Wag Tag]

13 minutes ago, wardly said:

Thanks for posting this chart! When push comes to shove I hope it is a significant factor in UNT being seriously considered for other conference's  expansion. To help an old man out could you identify the school to the right of UAB?  I think its ODU .

Yes, Charlotte really stands out and could see them getting a AAC invite. Also see them as one of the few schools that could afford the buyouts and buy ins. UTSA could go undefeated in football, but they don’t have any $$$$. 

[laxtonto]

14 hours ago, EagleTech said:

You accept whichever offer comes first from the AAC or MWC.  

The MWC news has been all over the place recently. First, two ADs speak out on the radio about expanding into Texas, then the MWC commish the other day states his preference to hold until they negotiate their next TV deal and that the TV partners don’t see any value adds currently available.  We’ve been hearing expansion talk from the MWC for years now and nothing has happened.

All UNT can do is keep investing in the program and not settling for mediocrity. That starts with getting a new football coach.

And what do you do when you get offered by both?
 

The AAC doesn’t want the MWC in Texas at all and knows that the MWC provides more household names of interests to DFW residents than the leftover slate for the AAC. If the AAC adds UNT and Rice, the MWC can still get into Texas by adding UTSA, but they are lacking another central time zone option as a travel partner.

 

What makes this so interesting is that there is 3 viable options and both the AAC and MWC can really at best only grab 2 right now.  Both the MWC and and the AAC really need the Big 12 to continue on with expansion so that both the MWC and AAC can absorb 3 Texas schools not just 2.

[laxtonto]

9 hours ago, Wag Tag said:

 

What is even better is to read the text responses to that survey and how people actually in the sports business view the various schools. 

[Wag Tag]

13 minutes ago, laxtonto said:

And what do you do when you get offered by both?
 

The AAC doesn’t want the MWC in Texas at all and knows that the MWC provides more household names of interests to DFW residents than the leftover slate for the AAC. If the AAC adds UNT and Rice, the MWC can still get into Texas by adding UTSA, but they are lacking another central time zone option as a travel partner.

 

What makes this so interesting is that there is 3 viable options and both the AAC and MWC can really at best only grab 2 right now.  Both the MWC and and the AAC really need the Big 12 to continue on with expansion so that both the MWC and AAC can absorb 3 Texas schools not just 2.

AAC is under more pressure than MWC. If we went to the MWC and SMU went to the Big12 the AAC wouldn’t have Texas. Does the AAC take us just for a back up?

[laxtonto]

2 minutes ago, Wag Tag said:

AAC is under more pressure than MWC. If we went to the MWC and SMU went to the Big12 the AAC wouldn’t have Texas. Does the AAC take us just for a back up?

SMU is probably never getting into the Big 12. Regardless what they say, the Big 12 can’t afford to take another private school in DFW. With TCU already there and with Houston, TT, and Baylor in the fold, there is little value in adding another Texas private school.

Memphis probably provides better value vs SMU at this point to the Big 12.

[untjim1995]

5 minutes ago, laxtonto said:

SMU is probably never getting into the Big 12. Regardless what they say, the Big 12 can’t afford to take another private school in DFW. With TCU already there and with Houston, TT, and Baylor in the fold, there is little value in adding another Texas private school.

Memphis probably provides better value vs SMU at this point to the Big 12.

Memphis is who replaces Kansas the day they leave. South Florida will be next in line from the AAC. They aren’t ahead of Boise, though, or Colorado State. 
 

All of those bring good TV markets that the Big 12 doesn’t currently have. SMU is stuck behind the fact TCU and Baylor are already here. It’s similar to why we aren’t ever going to the AAC with SMU there.

 

[laxtonto]

10 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Memphis is who replaces Kansas the day they leave. South Florida will be next in line from the AAC. They aren’t ahead of Boise, though, or Colorado State. 
 

All of those bring good TV markets that the Big 12 doesn’t currently have. SMU is stuck behind the fact TCU and Baylor are already here. It’s similar to why we aren’t ever going to the AAC with SMU there.

 

Funny enough we have a way better chance of getting into the AAC while SMU is still there than SMU does of ever getting into the Big12. 
 

The AAC is stuck trying to play defense against a possible MWC expansion while there is no other real market force out there that would incentivize an SMU add to the Big12. It might make SMU grumble, but they dont really have a choice if they want to keep their paycheck.
 

If the MWC expands into Texas, they may be better suited for the expanded ESPN tv deal at the cost of the AAC. That is the big driver in this and frankly all the complaints by SMU mean nothing to the AAC if it comes at the cost of the ESPN media rites deal…

Edited October 18, 2021 by laxtonto

[untjim1995]

24 minutes ago, laxtonto said:

Funny enough we have a way better chance of getting into the AAC while SMU is still there than SMU does of ever getting into the Big12. 
 

The AAC is stuck trying to play defense against a possible MWC expansion while there is no other real market force out there that would incentivize an SMU add to the Big12. It might make SMU grumble, but they dont really have a choice if they want to keep their paycheck.
 

If the MWC expands into Texas, they may be better suited for the expanded ESPN tv deal at the cost of the AAC. That is the big driver in this and frankly all the complaints by SMU mean nothing to the AAC if it comes at the cost of the ESPN media rites deal…

The MWC could exact serious revenge on the AAC by doing the following:

Get Memphis, SMU, Tulane, and UTSA. Basically get the three largest western markets in the AAC and get San Antonio for its TV market, destination travel, and try to get a bowl tie-in. 
 

Then, the remnants of the AAC are for football: Tulsa, Temple, Navy, ECU, and USF. That makes them have to decide what to do from there. Do they then decide to focus on being an Eastern based league? If so, ODU, Marshall, Appy State, Charlotte, FAU, FIU, Ga State, GA Southern, WKU, MUTS, Liberty, and UAB could all be considered. That would leave Tulsa hanging out to get realigned to the league(s) with TX/LA schools, as well as Arky State, too.
 

[PlummMeanGreen]

3 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

The MWC could exact serious revenge on the AAC by doing the following:

Get Memphis, SMU, Tulane, and UTSA. Basically get the three largest western markets in the AAC and get San Antonio for its TV market, destination travel, and try to get a bowl tie-in. 
 

Then, the remnants of the AAC are for football: Tulsa, Temple, Navy, ECU, and USF. That makes them have to decide what to do from there. Do they then decide to focus on being an Eastern based league? If so, ODU, Marshall, Appy State, Charlotte, FAU, FIU, Ga State, GA Southern, WKU, MUTS, Liberty, and UAB could all be considered. That would leave Tulsa hanging out to get realigned to the league(s) with TX/LA schools, as well as Arky State, too.
 

Where does North Texas land in your NCAA prophesy? 😊