'Come and Take It' tradition a 'distraction' for UTSA and will no longer be used, president says

[Coach Bill Lewis]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express...440792.php

University of Texas at San Antonio President Taylor Eighmy said in an email sent to faculty, staff, students and alumni on Tuesday that the football team and athletics department will no longer take part in traditions associated with the "Come and Take It" slogan beginning immediately.

This means the traditional unfurling of the enormous "Come and Take It" flag across the student section before the start of the fourth quarter of home football games will no longer take place.

The school received backlash online after opening its new Roadrunner Athletics Center of Excellence building that greets visitors with a large "Come and Take It" sign. A former UTSA professor created the petition to urge the university to take down the sign and to end the use of the slogan because it is "offensive" and "anti-Mexican." 

 

[MeanGreenTeeth]

Good Lord.  When will the wokeness stop?

[UNT86]

I never really understood the fit.  It just seemed out of place and maybe a little inappropriate.

I don't think anyone will miss it.

 

[denton_days]

I mean I have to imagine it's a weird thing for Mexican-American students who go to UTSA to see. Seems like a large push towards encouraging the university to better welcome the very large Mexican American population on campus/in San Antonio. Agree that no one will miss it.

 

Also, regardless of how we individually feel, we should celebrate that UTSA fans are ticked off. 

Edited September 8, 2021 by denton_days

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

It's even weaker that they openly say they copied it from OK State and thought they should have a bigger flag. It isn't a tradition.

[letsgiveacheer]

They do have that nice cannon! 

[Green Light]

Beat UMSA!!!

[UNTcrazy727]

53 minutes ago, denton_days said:

I mean I have to imagine it's a weird thing for Mexican-American students who go to UTSA to see. Seems like a large push towards encouraging the university to better welcome the very large Mexican American population on campus/in San Antonio. Agree that no one will miss it.

 

Also, regardless of how we individually feel, we should celebrate that UTSA fans are ticked off. 

You do realize a lot of Hispanics fought on the Texan side in the war for Texas Independence, right?

Edited September 8, 2021 by UNTcrazy727

[Cr1028]

1 hour ago, DentonStang said:

What would Juan Seguin say

Y Lorenzo de Zavala?

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

One might argue that the reason for the Texas Revolution is controversial. In recent decades, there is an effort to correct the "Texas Mythes" associated with becoming a Republic, reasons for not (but ultimately) joining the Confederacy, and the role that Mexicans played in our history. 

https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/slavery-integral-texas-transition-from-republic-to-statehood-textbook-doesnt-tell-full-story/

https://crossculturalsolidarity.com/how-slavery-led-to-the-texas-revolution/

https://www.texasobserver.org/juneteenth-and-the-myth-of-texas-fight-for-independence/

So the whole "Come and Take it" - can really be, you know, talking about a slave (instead whatever cannon metaphor it is about). There is certainly more to the phrase than a simple "red rover, red rover" child's game. I can see why it isn't something that is used as a rallying cry at a college sports outing. 

[MeanGreenTeeth]

3 hours ago, denton_days said:

I mean I have to imagine it's a weird thing for Mexican-American students who go to UTSA to see. Seems like a large push towards encouraging the university to better welcome the very large Mexican American population on campus/in San Antonio. 

You think that's bad. Imagine how they'll feel when they find out the Alamo is in their city.  They should probably bulldoze that too.  

[UNTexas]

8 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

Slavery was undeniably an issue of conflict in Texas that would have eventually requied resolution and probably conflict, unlike the civil war where slavery was explicitly cited as the main issue leading to secession, the Texians both white and tejano cited much the same reasons for revolting as all the other parts of Mexico that revolted in that time period. While the whole revolution was mythologized and sanitized like these things always seem to be, the push to make it all about slavery is just politically motivated revisionism.  There's not a revolution in history that entirely lives up to the morals of 2021, and the idea that you cannot celebrate what was accomplished because there were parts left undone is an insane Robespierre-ish notion that can only pass soon enough. 

Good posts. People are always going to complain. People think they are so enlightened these days. In reality history will look at this era like it’s full of a bunch of idiots. As do a lot of people around the world currently do. Right now everyone is offended by everything. Either way last I checked Mexico rebelled against Spain. I seriously doubt they feel bad in Mexico about it. That level of self loathing is reserved for people addicted to bitching about our country. 

[cwb]

8 hours ago, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

One might argue that the reason for the Texas Revolution is controversial. In recent decades, there is an effort to correct the "Texas Mythes" associated with becoming a Republic, reasons for not (but ultimately) joining the Confederacy, and the role that Mexicans played in our history. 

https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/slavery-integral-texas-transition-from-republic-to-statehood-textbook-doesnt-tell-full-story/

https://crossculturalsolidarity.com/how-slavery-led-to-the-texas-revolution/

https://www.texasobserver.org/juneteenth-and-the-myth-of-texas-fight-for-independence/

So the whole "Come and Take it" - can really be, you know, talking about a slave (instead whatever cannon metaphor it is about). There is certainly more to the phrase than a simple "red rover, red rover" child's game. I can see why it isn't something that is used as a rallying cry at a college sports outing. 

The cannon was not a metaphor. https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/gonzales-come-and-take-it-cannon

[Censored by Laurie]

6 hours ago, UNTexas said:

Good posts. People are always going to complain. People think they are so enlightened these days. In reality history will look at this era like it’s full of a bunch of idiots. As do a lot of people around the world currently do. Right now everyone is offended by everything. Either way last I checked Mexico rebelled against Spain. I seriously doubt they feel bad in Mexico about it. That level of self loathing is reserved for people addicted to bitching about our country. 

more so than the fervent defenders of "our history" that didn't know/care about a statue/flag/building name until someone different than them challenged it's place and significance in this era? 

at best it's a push. 

[Censored by Laurie]

9 hours ago, MeanGreenTeeth said:

You think that's bad. Imagine how they'll feel when they find out the Alamo is in their city.  They should probably bulldoze that too.  

I mean if we're really being honest, we're memorializing military leaders who didn't follow orders, directly leading to the deaths of their entire battalion...and in truth that real estate is probably better utilized anyway...by maybe an H&M or Jamba Juice?

[UNTexas]

53 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

more so than the fervent defenders of "our history" that didn't know/care about a statue/flag/building name until someone different than them challenged it's place and significance in this era? 

at best it's a push. 

A push would be to start splitting hairs about historical events long gone while trying to add modern day political correctness and once again people are offended by trivial nonsense that really has no bearing on their lives. Complaining and addiction to outrage is all the rage by some people. Look no further than the UT school song. (I have no affinity for UT either but that is a massive stretch) Personally I’m getting offended that everyone is offended about everything. You can’t destroy and delete everything. The cancel politics bore me. 

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

Imagine the world if we didn't try to be more enlightened than our predecessors. Terrifying. Bunch of ethical luddites. 

[NT93]

4 hours ago, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

Imagine the world if we didn't try to be more enlightened than our predecessors. Terrifying. Bunch of ethical luddites. 

We should try to become more enlightened, but we can’t hold those who lived over 100 years ago to the same level of enlightenment.  
 

Those who don’t know, don’t know that they don’t know.

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

On 9/9/2021 at 5:38 AM, cwb said:

The cannon was not a metaphor. https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/gonzales-come-and-take-it-cannon

Metaphor: a thing regarded as representative or symbolic of something else, especially something abstract.

Do you think that is was really about a cannon? A physical cannon? That is once it was "gotten" that it was over? Or is the cannon a metaphor for the whole conflict? 

How about that flag flying in neighbors driveway? You think he's literally upset about Mexico and that black cannon? Or maybe it's a metaphor for some abstract concept of freedom, fight for freedom and independence? 

Obviously I get and know that said cannon existed. It represented something larger. A metaphor, if you will.

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by SteaminWillieBeamin

[UNTLifer]

It is so offensive that they came to this state to live, chose to attend that school, and as far as I can tell of the students helping unfurl that flag at the beginning of the fourth quarter, had fun displaying it and now someone decided it is racist so it must be cancelled.  Got it.

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

47 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

It is so offensive that they came to this state to live, chose to attend that school, and as far as I can tell of the students helping unfurl that flag at the beginning of the fourth quarter, had fun displaying it and now someone decided it is racist so it must be cancelled.  Got it.

"They"??

[bstnsportsfan3]

Sounds like their president came and took it. 

[MeanGreenTeeth]

Now we know why their cannon campaign failed and they ended up with a box with gunpowder instead.  Such a deeply racist campaign to it's core.  We've come a long way since the dark medieval times of insensitivity and bigotry that was 2017.

[ADLER]

Maybe this one would be acceptable for UTSA since it doesn't have a cannon

 

[southsideguy]

They can come take our HC of football if they want, Please do!