Allen HS coach dies from COVID

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

Here is Oregon's break down of existing conditions of COVID 19 deaths: 
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/oregon.health.authority.covid.19/viz/OregonCOVID-19CaseDemographicsandDiseaseSeverityStatewide/DiseaseDeathData

 

Note:
~55% of Americans over 55 suffer a neurological condition (alzheimer's, polyneuropathy, parkinson's, etc) 
~48% of Americans have Cardiovascular disease. 
~42% of Americans are Obese
~25% of Americans have liver disease (most don't know it)
~15% of Americans are diabetic/prediabetic
~15% of Americans have a Chronic lung condition (COPD, Asthma, etc)
~15% of Americans have kidney disease (most don't know it)
~14% of Americans smoke. 
~3% of Americans are Immunocompromised

So - high probability that any one of us fit into this 'underlying condition' ... but we are not going to die of it. Covid WILL hit that person harder though and may end up killing them. 

Edited August 26, 2021 by SteaminWillieBeamin

[UNTLifer]

Timeline of events yesterday:

1.  Pfizer vaccine gets full approval.

2.  Later in the day, the CEO of Pfizer says the current vaccine will soon be obsolete as a new variant will arrive.  He is confident in their ability to create a new vaccine in 95 days.

 

 

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

49 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Timeline of events yesterday:

1.  Pfizer vaccine gets full approval.

2.  Later in the day, the CEO of Pfizer says the current vaccine will soon be obsolete as a new variant will arrive.  He is confident in their ability to create a new vaccine in 95 days.

 

 

Well - devil is in the details as always. 
1) FDA approval was four days ago.
2) The CEO said what scientists already know - the "likely" a new variant will require a new vaccine, but Pfizer is setup to produce it within three months. 

What is news here? It is how the Flu vaccine works. Scientists watch the strains and trajections - formulate the vaccine - roll it out as fast as possible. The difference with these new vaccines was the FDA approval for manufacturing and supply chains - which will  not change in new vaccine variants. Therefore it will meet approval faster, like the Flu vaccines. 

These are two good items you listed. It's working! 

[Cr1028]

5 hours ago, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

You see the vaccination rate flatten out and then the Delta strain kicking and deaths start to tick back up. And given the percentage of deaths for unvaccinated - that uptick is nearly all unvaccinated. 

 

While what you say is true, it is important to point out that the flattening of vaccination uptake did not increase covid deaths. If the flattening meant that the number of vaccinated folks were actually declining (which isn’t possible, you can’t unvaccinate) instead of just a decline in newly vaccinated folks then there would be a causation. Now, it is reasonable to suggest that covid deaths are higher than they otherwise would be because of the flattening but not that they went up just because the number of first-timers getting vaccinated is slowing over time

Edited August 26, 2021 by Cr1028

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

3 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Now, it is reasonable to suggest that covid deaths are higher than they otherwise would be because of the flattening but not that they went up just because the number of first-timers people getting vaccinated is slowing over time

I wasn't suggesting the flattening led to increase. I suggested the more aggressively contagious Delta variant kicked in and hospitalizations and deaths picked up.. because it is hitting the unvaccinated extra hard. Nothing to do with the flat curve, all to do with variant.

Now, had the vaccination rate continued to 100% and not flattened till then, the death would be more flat too. Not the steep slope. 

But all of that assumes the vaccine is actually working and all these fine folks surviving aren't chock full of horse dewormers. /s

[Cr1028]

Just now, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

I wasn't suggesting the flattening led to increase. I suggested the more aggressively contagious Delta variant kicked in and hospitalizations and deaths picked up.. because it is hitting the unvaccinated extra hard. Nothing to do with the flat curve, all to do with variant.

Now, had the vaccination rate continued to 100% and not flattened till then, the death would be more flat too. Not the steep slope. 

But all of that assumes the vaccine is actually working and all these fine folks surviving aren't chock full of horse dewormers. /s

Understood. I agree that if it were closer to 100% the death curve would likely be flatter.

[MeanGreenTexan]

Aha!
This is the kind of information that needs to be plainly visible.

Finally, a graphic from a reputable source (Baylor Scott & White) that should be alarming to those who are unvaccinated:

This information is coming directly from one of the biggest hospital chains in America, and speaks directly to Texans.

Please understand,  catching it & transmitting it is likely a wash between vaccinated & unvaccinated.   But what the vaccine does is increase your chance of living IF you catch it, because your body is able to recognize it early & fight it on it's own, before getting overrun by the virus.

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

[Censored by Laurie]

how many of those hospitalized had worms, though? 

*mic drop*

[MeanGreenTexan]

22 minutes ago, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

There we go...   more from around the nation.  So it's not just Texas.  The numbers are similar everywhere.
Over 90% of the people being HOSPITALIZED for COVID19 are those who are unvaccinated.     You can't argue with these numbers.

It's overwhelming y'all. 

Please, if you haven't yet for whatever reason, or you're just on the fence because of the information overload you're seeing all over Social Media, please look at the above and simply do the math.   Don't play a losing odds bet with your own life, like the gentleman in the thread topic did!

[Censored by Laurie]

57 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

There we go...   more from around the nation.  So it's not just Texas.  The numbers are similar everywhere.
Over 90% of the people being HOSPITALIZED for COVID19 are those who are unvaccinated.     You can't argue with these numbers.

It's overwhelming y'all. 

Please, if you haven't yet for whatever reason, or you're just on the fence because of the information overload you're seeing all over Social Media, please look at the above and simply do the math.   Don't play a losing odds bet with your own life, like the gentleman in the thread topic did!

another approach…

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

1 hour ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Don't play a losing odds bet with your own life, like the gentleman in the thread topic did!

This is an important point - this coach was a political conspiracist and anti-covid-vaccine. 

 

Then his wife asking for recommendations for at the any doctors who aren't crushed by cancel culture and know the REAL cure for COVID. 

And then the end result as we all know how it ended...

It truly was preventable. It truly is a case of willful "personal choice'ing" the libtards. It is really really unfortunate for his kids.

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by SteaminWillieBeamin

[Censored by Laurie]

maybe this is a church-y thing that I don't know about, but "he finished well"?!? that's...uhh...that's weird. 

[LongJim]

2 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

maybe this is a church-y thing that I don't know about, but "he finished well"?!? that's...uhh...that's weird. 

Not really.  It's likely a biblical reference to 2 Timothy 4:7.

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

8 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

maybe this is a church-y thing that I don't know about, but "he finished well"?!? that's...uhh...that's weird. 

It is definitely an evangelical thing - phrasing. There are ton of blogs about 'finishing strong, ending well, etc etc'

Appearantly it comes from Timothy. https://biblehub.com/2_timothy/4-7.htm

Feels like the whole 'quiverful' style of Christian churching, but again, like always, what do I know? 

Edited August 27, 2021 by SteaminWillieBeamin

[greenminer]

Was pointed to the VAERS website by an anti-vaxxer, but haven't had a chance to dive in.

Anyone have any thoughts on this data, and its role in the anti-vaxxer's mindset?

https://vaers.hhs.gov/
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html

[greenminer]

Robert Malone has come into my view.  Not sold on this guy, but this [his timeline] is what anti-vaxxers read.  Trying to be more aware of what they know.
 

 

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

8 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Robert Malone has come into my view.  Not sold on this guy, but this [his timeline] is what anti-vaxxers read.  Trying to be more aware of what they know.
 

 

The Malone guy is problematic ... he is the conspiracists wet dream. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

The whole notion of "Hey, guys, I am just asking questions!!!" when someone throws out wild stuff  is what then gets it going. When really, it is easily debunked, written about a lot and does NOT follow the main numbers. The dude who started the whole "vaccines cause autism" crap was a medical doctor too. He ended up being a liar, crook and con as well as an MD.  The people that want to hype of Malone over state his 'inventor' status fwiw. 

Also, people that want to not believe in something, latch onto some old reports, misreports or just plain bad information... like what happened at USA Today with Malone and the CDC.

https://thedispatch.com/p/how-misinformation-starts
 

 

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

I mean - the statistics for deaths and vaccinated SHOULD reach the point where all deaths are with vaccinated people, right? The goal is to have 100% vaccination, stop variants, try to stop massive spread... but breakthroughs will happen and will kill some portion of vaccinated people. Since the vaccine is not 100% and hasn't ever claimed to be. Therefore, it only logically makes sense. This doesn't seem like ground breaking information or claims.

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

41 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Was pointed to the VAERS website by an anti-vaxxer, but haven't had a chance to dive in.

Anyone have any thoughts on this data, and its role in the anti-vaxxer's mindset?

https://vaers.hhs.gov/
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html

It's right there - in text - stating the limitations. But when looking for conspiracies, it is ignored.
 

Quote

VAERS reports are submitted by anyone and sometimes lack details or contain errors.
VAERS data alone cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event.

This specific limitation has caused confusion about the publicly available data, specifically regarding the number of reported deaths. In the past there have been instances where people misinterpreted reports of death following vaccination as death caused by the vaccines; that is a mistake.

VAERS accepts all reports of adverse events following vaccination without judging whether the vaccine caused the adverse health event. Some reports to VAERS might represent true vaccine reactions, and others might be coincidental adverse health events not related to vaccination at all.

Generally, a causal relationship cannot be established using information from VAERS reports alone.

The number of reports submitted to VAERS may increase in response to media attention and increased public awareness.
It is not possible to use VAERS data to calculate how often an adverse event occurs in a population.
 

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by SteaminWillieBeamin

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

"

The Pandemic’s Wrongest Man

In a crowded field of wrongness, one person stands out: Alex Berenson."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/

....

At the end.. it has this paragraph ... which I very much feel about your twitter links here.

To be honest, I initially had serious doubts about publishing this piece. The trap of exposing conspiracy theories is obvious: To demonstrate why a theory is wrong, you have to explain it and, in doing so, incur the risk that some people will be convinced by the very theory you’re trying to debunk. But that horse has left the barn. More than half of Republicans under the age of 50 say they simply won’t get a vaccine. Their hesitancy is being fanned by right-wing hacks, Fox News showboats, and vaccine skeptics like Alex Berenson. The case for the vaccines is built upon a firm foundation of scientific discovery, clinical-trial data, and real-world evidence. The case against the vaccines wobbles because it is built upon a steaming pile of bullshit.

Edited August 27, 2021 by SteaminWillieBeamin

[MeanGreenTexan]

22 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Robert Malone has come into my view.  Not sold on this guy, but this [his timeline] is what anti-vaxxers read.  Trying to be more aware of what they know.
 

 

""Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—but no infection parties, please""


What a haphazard, careless, myopic point of view this dude has.    The issue here is that NO ONE KNOWS HOW THEIR BODY WILL COMBAT THE VIRUS THE FIRST TIME!!!    There are thousands of stories of perfectly healthy people contracting the disease and dying.    There are thousands of stories of obese/diabetic/immunocompromised people contracting the disease and having flu-like symptoms, and that's it!     

You never know.  Without the vaccine, you're simply rolling the dice.

However, 
The vaccine allows your body's immune response to create antibodies to identify the virus early on, so your natural defenses can combat it early... before it turns into full-blown SARS, and you're laid up, possibly in a hospital, possibly on a ventilator.

 

EDIT:  I bet the point of view above is only subscribed to by less than 1% of physicians, and those physicians are who we would refer to normally as "quacks".    I'd also be willing to bet he's in someone's pocket.

Edited August 27, 2021 by MeanGreenTexan

[greenminer]

16 minutes ago, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

The dude who started the whole "vaccines cause autism" crap was a medical doctor too. He ended up being a liar, crook and con as well as an MD.

The Wakefield report might be argued as the starting point for this new era/level of anti-science/distrust.  And once an idea enters the public consciousness, it’s VERY hard to get it out.

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

1 minute ago, greenminer said:

The Wakefield report might be argued as the starting point for this new era/level of anti-science/distrust.  And once an idea enters the public consciousness, it’s VERY hard to get it out.

Exactly - which is why I am very uncomfortable with your twitter links from easily disputed and debunked jack-holes. 

[greenminer]

Just now, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

Exactly - which is why I am very uncomfortable with your twitter links from easily disputed and debunked jack-holes. 

but being aware of these claims and talking about them is exactly how we fight them, no?

Just muting them without discourse gives them their own little sustainable world to feel comfy in.

I get what you're saying, though.  I don't have an end-all solution.