Don't hire a DC, we need a HC

[p_phelps]

Just bite the bullet and fire Seth.  Underperformed,  low energy,  mass transfers with very little reinforcements coming in. Fire him please.  Get a fresh start. 

[Salsa_Verde]

I don’t know why people keep thinking he’s going to turn this thing around. Even when he had the talent he showed he couldn’t capitalize. 

[MeanGreen22]

[p_phelps]

2 minutes ago, MeanGreen22 said:

#olddenton

[LongJim]

Who are you going to get?

[p_phelps]

1 minute ago, LongJim said:

Who are you going to get?

Colby carthel would be damn solid, but there's plenty of names.  Wren needs his guy. Seth is a sinking ship, time to get off with a lifeboat

[LongJim]

3 minutes ago, p_phelps said:

Colby carthel would be damn solid, but there's plenty of names.  Wren needs his guy. Seth is a sinking ship, time to get off with a lifeboat

Carthel is employed.  Who else?  I'm curious who you have in mind.

[Pseudo Nym]

 

[El Paso Eagle]

Just now, Pseudo Nym said:

 

[p_phelps]

5 minutes ago, LongJim said:

Carthel is employed.  Who else?  I'm curious who you have in mind.

By SFA, yeah,  think we can't get him? Gtfoh... ok ready...

Bob stoops, Charlie strong, Kevin summlin, tom herman, arte briles. These are former HCs.. would you like some assistants..  

 

Wanna shoot some reasons to keep Seth... give me some legitimate reasons where there's progress. Yes recruiting is up. I wouldn't even contribute most of that to Seth.

Edited January 14, 2021 by p_phelps

[Pseudo Nym]

1 minute ago, El Paso Eagle said:

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[El Paso Eagle]

Just now, p_phelps said:

By SFA, yeah,  think we can't get him? Gtfoh... ok ready...

Bob stoops, Charlie strong, Kevin summon, tom herman, arte briles. These are former HCs.. would you like some assistants..  

 

Wanna shoot some reasons to keep Seth... give me some legitimate reasons where there's progress. Yes recruiting is up. I wouldn't even contribute most of that to Seth.

So now, in your opinion, in addition to not being able to coach Seth has played no role in the improved recruiting?

[untjim1995]

1 hour ago, p_phelps said:

Just bite the bullet and fire Seth.  Underperformed,  low energy,  mass transfers with very little reinforcements coming in. Fire him please.  Get a fresh start. 

If you'll just write the check for a few million right now, I'm sure that can happen...

[p_phelps]

Just now, El Paso Eagle said:

So now, in your opinion, in addition to not being able to coach Seth has played no role in the improved recruiting?

Yeah,  like I said. Most of the pick up from recruiting isn't by Seth. Its done by walerius.

[LongJim]

4 minutes ago, p_phelps said:

Bob stoops, Charlie strong, Kevin summlin, tom herman, arte briles. These are former HCs..

Wanna shoot some reasons to keep Seth...

So nobody specific.  Just "anyone but Littrell".  Fair enough.

No.  Not at this time.

[p_phelps]

2 minutes ago, LongJim said:

So nobody specific.  Just "anyone but Littrell".  Fair enough.

No.  Not at this time.

My guy, check again.. named like 5 just off the top of my head. Go ahead and bury your head in the sand

Edited January 14, 2021 by p_phelps

[LongJim]

1 minute ago, p_phelps said:

My guy, check again.. named like 5 just off the top of my head. Go ahead and burst you head in the sand

Yeah, I saw that.  Off the top of your head.  Good deal.

Ok, thanks for the tip.

[p_phelps]

1 minute ago, LongJim said:

Yeah, I saw that.  Off the top of your head.  Good deal.

Ok, thanks for the tip.

Very confused,  you'd take Seth over any of the guys I said... 

[Cr1028]

33 minutes ago, p_phelps said:

Very confused,  you'd take Seth over any of the guys I said... 

You rambled off a bunch of guys assuming that A, they’d be interested, and B, they’d be an improvement over what was one of the hottest up and coming young coaches in college football. At this point we need Seth as much as he needs us, our job would be 100 times more attractive if he is hired away than it will be if he is the 7th consecutive coach to be fired here over the last 39 years.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Cr1028

[RBP79]

The Mean Green Nation thanks all of you who are donating the 5+ million to buy out Seth's contract. Wren is in his office waiting for the checks to be dropped off. Please hurry!

[Pseudo Nym]

2 minutes ago, RBP79 said:

The Mean Green Nation thanks all of you who are donating the 5+ million to buy out Seth's contract. Wren is in his office waiting for the checks to be dropped off. Please hurry!

*I believe his total buyout is $1.215 million 

[RBP79]

7 minutes ago, Pseudo Nym said:

*I believe his total buyout is $1.215 million 

I've seen different...he makes that yearly and has a couple more years on his contract..but glad people are willing to donate to buy him out. 

Edited January 14, 2021 by RBP79

[GrandGreen]

Again, Littrell is not going anywhere next year.

Why waste your time with I guess optimism that he is magically going to be gone.  Even if NT had the buyout money, I don't think NT would make a change. 

The question is what will happen after next year when termination will still be very costly.

My guess if he breaks even or better, there will be no consideration of making a change.

Four or five wins and Littrell will certainly be on the hot seat.  Less than that he probably will be gone. 

If NT wins 8 or over, as improbable has it seems, he could be hired away.

Edited January 14, 2021 by GrandGreen

[UNTLifer]

1 hour ago, p_phelps said:

#olddenton

Such a tired response. 

Let's break down your criticisms.

1.  Low energy:  That is your take and his "public persona."  You aren't at practice or in the locker room.  Just because he isn't ranting and raving up and down the sideline is ridiculous.  Did his players quit on him?  I didn't see anything that would suggest that.

2.  Underperformed:  I would suggest that he over delivered in years one and two and then the state of the program he inherited caught up to him.  His best recruiting classes are now becoming upperclassmen and he has built good relationships with HS coaches in Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and even Arizona.  His first coaching staff was so well though of that a number of coaches were poached by bigger programs.  He also just signed one of our highest rated recruits ever.  Have we had bad losses?  Absolutely, but that is why I said 2021 is our make or break year.  His recruits have matured and been in the system, relationships with the high school coaches have been established, facilities have and are being upgraded and it is time to produce.

3.  Mass Transfers:  Really?  Chris Thornton, buried on the depth chart.  Brian Parish, buried on the depth chart.  Chandler Anthony, buried on the depth chart.  Joe Ozougwu?  Still out there on the market.  Justin Booker-Brown? Walk-on. Garnett Burke, good talent but obviously had some issues and Makayle Sanders.  The one I hated to see go is Cameron Johnson, but we have the talent to fill that spot.  In return, we picked up the OL Farrell from OSU, DB's Wilson and Davis and they are all rated higher than the players that left.  So we had seven enter the portal.  No disrespect intended, but Anthony, Parish, Thornton and Booker-Brown weren't going to crack the two deep.  Ozougwu was serviceable but replaceable as is Sanders.  I thought Johnson had a solid year on a poor defense and who knows about Burke.  Wouldn't call that mass transfers.  Hell, if it weren't for the Covid virus, Sanders and Johnson would be done anyway.

4.  Very Little Reinforcements: Too early to tell, but the majority of our best talent are underclassmen.  I know we all want transfers, but their is a crap-load of talent still out there and the most important thing right now is to fill out his staff and have a strong signing day in February.  I like that SL wants to build through the high school ranks and then fill in with transfers where needed.

Again, he has to win this year, period.  But throwing him out right now is short-sighted and knee jerk.  You can say every team had to deal with the craziness of this f'ing virus, but not many were replacing a DC, had to replace their QB Coach right at the beginning the year and every team was effected differently by who was sick, who had been exposed, etc...  2021 will be telling for the program and SL's future as our, or anyone's, head coach.

Edited January 14, 2021 by UNTLifer

[El Paso Eagle]

26 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

Again, Littrell is not going anywhere next year.

Why waste your time with I guess optimism that he is magically going to be gone.  Even if NT had the buyout money, I don't think NT would make a change. 

The question is what will happen after next year when termination will still be very costly.

My guess if he breaks even or better, there will be no consideration of making a change.

Four or five wins and Baker will certainly be on the hot seat.  Less than that he probably will be gone. 

If NT wins 8 or over, as improbable has it seems, he could be hired away.

Let's just go ahead and get rid of the President of the University as well. Overall athletics are very strong at UNT and people want to go after Wren.