America should shift towards socialism

[Skipper]

Socialism is a scary word to most Americans because they do not understand how it works. Most people think socialism is the same as communism, even though it is completely

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[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Public schools and libraries fit the definition of socialism..... Public taxes pay for them for the benefit of the public in general ... even if you don't use them. ... 

 

[UNTLifer]

Another article from a member of the “everyone gets a ribbon” generation. 

[Mean Green 93-98]

19 hours ago, SCREAMING EAGLE-66 said:

Public schools and libraries fit the definition of socialism..... Public taxes pay for them for the benefit of the public in general ... even if you don't use them. ... 

 

I'm pretty sure public schools and libraries are key features of many capitalistic societies.  It is not necessary to abolish private ownership of industry to have them.

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

10 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

I'm pretty sure public schools and libraries are key features of many capitalistic societies.  It is not necessary to abolish private ownership of industry to have them.

When people say "socialism" they are not talking about abolishing private industry. Only the right wing fear machine makes it seem like that. 

In the modern target demographic "socialist" countries - like Norway - they have socialized medicine, but also private insurance. There are private hospital... public libraries and private reading rooms... etc.  No one is making private industry illegal. They provide a social safety net. There are free universities, but also private universities. No one is advocate the old Russian Socialism machine. 

To say that this is NOT the style of "socialism" people advocate is a huge misrepresentation. 

[Hunter Green]

 

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

Oh lord. 

Yes - this guy's example of making sure everyone has the same cell phone and taking it away from you is PRIME socialism. Well done. 

This is the exact misrepresentation and astro-turfing that the right wing fear machine loves.

[Hunter Green]

3 minutes ago, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

Oh lord. 

Yes - this guy's example of making sure everyone has the same cell phone and taking it away from you is PRIME socialism. Well done. 

This is the exact misrepresentation and astro-turfing that the right wing fear machine loves.

Tell me that what Bernie Sanders and AOC is advocating is good ol socialism. They want to destroy our current system and replace it with total control. Or am I wrong? Green New Deal? I don't think so.

[Hunter Green]

How about this one?

 

[NorthTexasSportsNetwork]

I haven't read the NT Daily since the Muhammed Raccoon ordeal, and don't plan on reading that garbage media outlet

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

Exactly - this is the same bogus usage of the term Socialism as it exists in modern vernacular. 

When people say they want to have more "socialism", they are NOT saying to eliminate capitalist markets. They want to recognize that some 'market' shouldn't be exclusively private. This video does not recognize that (purposely). 

If you think our grain market is a free market, you are insane. My tax dollars are propping up wheat against cheaper Brazilian wheat. My tax dollars are propping up cotton against cheaper Indian cotton.  My tax dollars are propping up steel from cheapter Chinese steel. 

Why is it hard to understand that people recognize the upsides of capitalist markets (which we are not pure free markets) and also recognize that social programs are good and should be funded ... without being accused of wanting to be Venezuela 2.0?

PragerU is propaganda. 
 

[TheTastyGreek]

1 hour ago, Hunter Green said:

Tell me that what Bernie Sanders and AOC is advocating is good ol socialism. They want to destroy our current system and replace it with total control. Or am I wrong? Green New Deal? I don't think so.

Hey, any time you change a system, completely overhaul the philosophy, obviously it's gonna take time to make that work. 

You're not gonna go from a ground and pound attack to a run and shoot offense with no bumps along the way. That's one of the risks of an exotic offense or defense. It's painful to transition into it, and it's hard again if and when the time comes you go with a more traditional approach (if it doesn't work out). 

I think you just need to make sure it's not a "gimmick" system... Mike Leach might be able to make it work as a mayor or constable, but I don't think his game works at the governor or presidential level. So, it's a big question mark... Are we looking at Bill Walsh, or Jerry Glanville? Guess wrong, and you're doomed. Guess right, and you're transforming the whole game. 

But if it's not a gimmick, and you're committed to seeing it through... You gotta dive in with both feet. Expect it to take a few years to get that foundation in place and really see results. Whoever it is you elect, they need time to recruit their guys, to get a support staff in place that can teach the concepts and develop a system for winning. 

It's a risk, for sure. But I'm sick of seeing a never ending stream of first round playoff exits or 8-8 seasons. Sometimes you can't wake the sleeping giant without taking a giant risk. Bold leadership means bold choices. Whatever we're doing, let's aim for rings and trophies. 

Just my 2 cents. 

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

 President Harry Truman - "Socialism is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years. Socialism is what they called Social Security. Socialism is what they called farm-price supports. Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance. Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor. Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.’ ”

This is how most people use the term "socialism". 

And you can obviously go read about the confusion of the the term... over the years... and who uses it. But you won't.

https://newyorker.com/news/dispatch/the-many-tangled-american-definitions-of-socialism

Edited July 23, 2020 by SteaminWillieBeamin

[Mean Green 93-98]

1 hour ago, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

 President Harry Truman - "Socialism is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years. Socialism is what they called Social Security. Socialism is what they called farm-price supports. Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance. Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor. Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.’ ”

And now we even find people calling public libraries and schools "socialism."

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

18 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

And now we even find people calling public libraries and schools "socialism."

The tangled story of the term 'socialism.'