Everything on the Table

RBP79 · May 9, 2020

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp-odu-athletics-20200508-nfcfomt6nrbnlmxqcgcwwysrdm-story.html

Three years....give me a break!

wardly · May 9, 2020

12 minutes ago, RBP79 said:

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp-odu-athletics-20200508-nfcfomt6nrbnlmxqcgcwwysrdm-story.html

Three years....give me a break!

I think at least 3 years. If you look around UNT football/basketball events you see a lot of grey hair, which at present is an endangered species. At 77 I may never attend a football or basketball game again, go to a movie or dine out. We have a vaccine for the flu, yet last year 34,000 in USA died, and 60,000 the year before. This new Virus is not going away, and when coupled with existing flue deaths could approach 100,000 per year. We just don't know. In Dallas most venues are open under certain self governing guidelines, yet few are venturing out. A return to the old normal is not going to happen overnight, if at all.

Jonnyeagle · May 9, 2020

30 minutes ago, RBP79 said:

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp-odu-athletics-20200508-nfcfomt6nrbnlmxqcgcwwysrdm-story.html

Three years....give me a break!

3 Years is too long. What a bummer. I woke up in a good mood and now depressed.

Huff · May 9, 2020

I find myself in the same age group as Wardly. I will give my money and buy my tickets but am not sure I will be in attendance.

NorthTexasSportsNetwork · May 9, 2020

I have stopped reading articles from ODU because they are never positive

DeepGreen · May 9, 2020

Aging can be a game changer. Before the virus hit I gave up the two club seats I've had since Apogee opened. But I will still give to the MG Scholarship Fund.

SigmaGreen · May 9, 2020

Since it was brought up, how much are club seats and do they have to be paid all at once. Also how many people do they hold and can they be split between individuals?

southsideguy · May 9, 2020

if the virus stops the 20-21 season you will see a lot more teams fielding teams like the University of Phoenix. Not good for the future of college football.

Wag Tag · May 9, 2020

To get back to normal we are going to have to have a vaccine. I don’t see how athletics can happen unless all students are back on campus. I sure hope it is a shorter time frame! GMG

FirefightnRick · May 9, 2020

4 hours ago, wardly said:

I think at least 3 years. If you look around UNT football/basketball events you see a lot of grey hair, which at present is an endangered species. At 77 I may never attend a football or basketball game again, go to a movie or dine out. We have a vaccine for the flu, yet last year 34,000 in USA died, and 60,000 the year before. This new Virus is not going away, and when coupled with existing flue deaths could approach 100,000 per year. We just don't know. In Dallas most venues are open under certain self governing guidelines, yet few are venturing out. A return to the old normal is not going to happen overnight, if at all.

That’s interesting. In Fort Worth there were thousands out and about last night...and have been for a while now.

Rick

wardly · May 9, 2020

1 hour ago, FirefightnRick said:

That’s interesting. In Fort Worth there were thousands out and about last night...and have been for a while now.

Rick

Both the Dallas and Denton county judges have been stricter than the ones in Tarrant and Collin counties.

NorthTexasSportsNetwork · May 9, 2020

54 minutes ago, wardly said:

Both the Dallas and Denton county judges have been stricter than the ones in Tarrant and Collin counties.

Denton????

NM Green · May 9, 2020

All 3 outside of Dallas have been reasonable. I drive Uber and am shocked how busy I am. I laid off the roads from st patty’s to cinco de Mayo. From the 5th on it has been rocking with requests and I was in Fort Worth yesterday where 2 restaurants I dined in were full. People are moving around again, but people are making their way back at their own pace which is smart. Confidence level is personal and rising which bodes well for the economy.

gmg

RBP79 · May 9, 2020

I just think it's ridiculous to be talking 3 years. 3 years and you are guaranteed conference realignment!

wardly · May 9, 2020

1 hour ago, NorthTexasSportsNetwork said:

Denton????

I live in Frisco east of Legacy Drive which runs N/S in Denton County just North of 121. Collin County is on the other side of Legacy, and encompasses East Frisco, Plano, McKinney, and Allen. The golf club I belong to is in Denton county, where the judge had basically shut us down. The club house was closed, and if you wanted to play it was walking only. In Collin county the pro shop was open, you could get a cart for a single rider, food and beverage service on the course was available as was patio dinning. The way I understand the Virus restrictions in Texas is that the Governor sets his guidelines and that local county judges can adhere to them or be more restrictive but not less. Also, individual businesses that are allowed to open under his edict have to option to remain closed. I may be a little fuzzy on this as I have had a hard time understanding who is in charge in Texas as the state is taking a county by county approach.

Hunter Green · May 9, 2020

If there is a season, I'l be in attendance. I'll take precautions, just like I do now, but I'm not going to stop living life out of fear. I'm in that age bracket too, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be in hiding for the rest of my life. If it's my time, so be it.

wardly · May 10, 2020

14 hours ago, Hunter Green said:

If there is a season, I'l be in attendance. I'll take precautions, just like I do now, but I'm not going to stop living life out of fear. I'm in that age bracket too, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be in hiding for the rest of my life. If it's my time, so be it.

We have a vaccine for the flu, and in the past 2 years a little over 100,000 American residents have died of that Virus, an average of about 50,000 per year. If the new Virus continues it's rise into the fall with out a vaccine, deaths could probably be similar to the flu so with the 2 combined you may be looking at 10,000 deaths per month. I say "may", because no one knows. While I don't plan on hiding the rest of my life I plan to avoid venues where the risk of being infected is greatest. The situation the world finds itself in reminds me of a line in a country and western song, "Everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one wants to die."

Venson · May 10, 2020

21 hours ago, Wag Tag said:

To get back to normal we are going to have to have a vaccine. I don’t see how athletics can happen unless all students are back on campus. I sure hope it is a shorter time frame! GMG

I don't think we can wait for a vaccine. It's very difficult to find a vaccine for a virus. We have been trying to find a vaccine for HIV for almost 40 years and still don't have one. I do not think people will stand for living in fear until a vaccine comes.

FirefightnRick · May 10, 2020

19 hours ago, wardly said:

Both the Dallas and Denton county judges have been stricter than the ones in Tarrant and Collin counties.

Hundreds of thousands have died of the flu the past several years yet we still saw you at the games.

I don’t know how you found the courage?

Rick

Wag Tag · May 10, 2020

1 hour ago, Venson said:

I don't think we can wait for a vaccine. It's very difficult to find a vaccine for a virus. We have been trying to find a vaccine for HIV for almost 40 years and still don't have one. I do not think people will stand for living in fear until a vaccine comes.

I agree. Can you have college athletics without all the students being on campus? I don’t think so. This will be the measuring point.

Hunter Green · May 10, 2020

Let's get to work!

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-texas-colleges-returning-this-fall/269-329ed48c-0f69-46fe-9698-c9f2398ab6e0

Edited May 10, 2020 by Hunter Green

wardly · May 10, 2020

4 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

Hundreds of thousands have died of the flu the past several years yet we still saw you at the games.

I don’t know how you found the courage?

Rick

Well, I was vaccinated so I never even thought about it. I mean never! Who did? However, we don't know what we are dealing with regarding this new virus."Venson" is correct. We still don't have a vaccine for HIV and who knows when if ever we will for this virus .At this point who can say. I have renewed my season club seats, increased my scholarship pledge by 10%, and will continue to support the Eagles, but probably from afar.

untcampbell · May 11, 2020

Scattershooting:

Can we count holograms in attendance? More durable than cardboard cut outs. Probably will need to increase in venue WiFi capabilities though.

I can’t wait until the next opportunity to get into Apogee, Lovelace and a host of other on campus venues. I will also take orders for Poppy’s kettle corn if you would like me to pick up some for you while I am at the game.

Maybe now we will figure out a way to actually enforce no one sits in a seat without a ticket for that seat in non-GA sections.

Wear a mask, and first game I am calling for a Clorox wipe out.

GMG

golfingomez · May 11, 2020

i just don't see how football happens this fall. maybe without fans, but even then, there are too many variables to the athletes, coaching staff and their surrounding families

SilverEagle · May 11, 2020

19 hours ago, wardly said:

Well, I was vaccinated so I never even thought about it. I mean never! Who did? However, we don't know what we are dealing with regarding this new virus."Venson" is correct. We still don't have a vaccine for HIV and who knows when if ever we will for this virus .At this point who can say. I have renewed my season club seats, increased my scholarship pledge by 10%, and will continue to support the Eagles, but probably from afar.

Well, my wife and I are religious about getting our flu shot in September. And like you, I mostly don't think about it after that. But when I do think about it, I know that the flu shot is considered successful when it protects anywhere between 30-40 percent of the population. That means that I could still come down with it, but then the other advantage of the shot kicks in, which is the severity of the flu event. Depending on the year, I could have a mild or medium "event". I could live with a vaccine that had the same outcomes with CV-19.

Here is a chart for the last 15 years.

Table. Adjusted vaccine effectiveness estimates for influenza seasons from 2004-2018

CDC calculates vaccine effectiveness estimates through the U.S. VE Network

Table. Adjusted vaccine effectiveness estimates for influenza seasons from 2004-2018CDC calculates vaccine effectiveness estimates through the U.S. VE Network
Influenza Season^†	Reference	Study Site(s)	No. of Patients^‡	Adjusted Overall VE (%)	95% CI
2018-19	Flannery 2020external icon	WI, MI, PA, TX, WA	3,254	29	21, 35
2017-18	Rolfes 2019external icon	WI, MI, PA, TX, WA	8,436	38	31, 43
2016-17	Flannery 2019external icon	WI, MI, PA, TX, WA	7410	40	32, 46
2015-16	Jackson 2017external icon	WI, MI, PA, TX, WA	6879	48	41, 55
2014-15	Zimmerman 2016external icon	WI, MI, PA, TX, WA	9311	19	10, 27
2013-14	Gaglani 2016external icon	WI, MI, PA, TX, WA	5999	52	44, 59
2012-13	McLean 2014external icon	WI, MI, PA, TX, WA	6452	49	43, 55
2011-12	Ohmit 2014external icon	WI, MI, PA, TX, WA	4771	47	36, 56
2010-11	Treanor 2011external icon	WI, MI, NY, TN	4757	60	53, 66
2009-10	Griffin 2011external icon	WI, MI, NY, TN	6757	56	23, 75
2008-09	Unpublished	WI, MI, NY, TN	6713	41	30, 50
2007-08	Belongia 2011external icon	WI	1914	37	22, 49
2006-07	Belongia 2009external icon	WI	871	52	22, 70
2005-06	Belongia 2009external icon	WI	346	21	-52, 59
2004-05	Belongia 2009external icon	WI	762	10	-36, 40

* Vaccine effectiveness estimates for 2018-2019 are preliminary estimates and will be updated with final estimates at the end of the 2018-2019 U.S. influenza season.
* From 2004-05 through 2010-11, the Network also enrolled inpatients.
† Vaccine effectiveness (VE) estimates for the 2008-2009 flu season have not yet been published.
‡ Number of patients used in VE calculation.