The Presidential pardon power needs more limits

[Hunter Green]

On 3/23/2020 at 3:37 PM, El Paso Eagle said:

So when he had the "cages" built for children at the Border, he was a "good" man?

When he sent a literal plan load of cash to Iran, that he knew would help fund terrorism, he was a good man?

I think all of them do some good and some bad. Trump and Obama included

 

 " If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor...i you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan..." Fing liar! Ya, he's a good man.

[Hunter Green]

On 3/22/2020 at 12:15 PM, HoustonEagle said:

Correct, Presidents pardon people.  I don’t like it. 

 

 

Edit: comma added

Tough doo doo.

[Hunter Green]

On 3/23/2020 at 2:41 PM, MeanGreenTexan said:

I am, yes.  They're pretty stigmatized.

I mean, 
It was a very simple question ("Is he a good person?")...  but you have your reasons to tap-dance.  I don't care why, it's just an observation. 
I didn't vote for President Obama, and I didn't agree with several of his stances, but I'd feel fine saying he's a good person.

Another odd thing about the same kind of person I'm talking about is that for some reason, any kind of criticism of the President Trump is taken personally instead of just a criticism of yet another corrupted, selfish, elected official.  No, for some reason, Trump's fans feel the need to defend this scumbag like he's their own son because they put a check next to his name on a ballot one time.   That person is not you, is it?  I did get a mysterious "-1" just before your post...

Would you give a flip if people were saying the same things about Representative Burgess? John Cornyn?  I assume you put checks next to their names as well.

Face it:  President Trump ain't a "good person".

I really don't give a flip what people think about any of them because since we don't personally know Obama or Trump, or Burgess or Cornyn, we can only judge them by what the media feeds us. However, I have met Congressman Burgess and he seems like a "nice man." What I care about are the policies they put in place that I feel will benefit me in particular and the country in general. They could all be saints or ass-holes. Who really knows? I have observed that the people who know Trump, seem to like the man. Kanye, Pastor Jeffress, and others who are like minded come to mind.  Be that as it may.

I guess if you're one of those snowflakes who get their feelings butt hurt because you don't like what someone says, well I guess that pretty much sums it up. If the country gets better trade deals, the average, tax paying Joe gets a tax cut, if our American President puts America first instead of going on a a world wide apology tour, I'm all in on that. What I don't like is a power hungry democratic party, and a complicit press, that will do anything to tear down the country, no matter the cost. Give me someone who puts his money where his mouth is.  Not a desperate, retred politician who left brave men to die in Benghazi and then had the audacity to yell, "What difference, at this point, does it make?" That after lying to a mothers face that the whole thing was based on a video. What a disgrace! Give me Trump any day of the week and twice on Sunday.  I don't care if he is a "nice man" or not. Give me someone who can get the job done. Got it?

Peace. Out.

[FirefightnRick]

In my minimal effort to sweep the political garbage away from the virus discussion to here,....

 

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@ntmeangreen11 - Now claiming the libtards are blocking the financial bill because they just want to screw the public out of money

 

 

 

Perspective.

 

 

Rick

 

Edited March 25, 2020 by FirefightnRick

[HoustonEagle]

12 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

In my minimal effort to sweep the political garbage away from the virus discussion to here,....

 

 

 

 

Perspective.

 

 

Rick

 

While posting this on twitter seems a bit tone deaf I don't see much reason for outrage.  They passed a 2 Trillion dollar rescue package to save the economy and peoples jobs.  Much of that money going to for-profit companies that should have cash on hand to weather a storm.  (no one could fully prepare their business for this storm).  4 billion to help save the museums and the estimated 100k workers that are are employed directly or indirectly seems like a drop in the bucket and in-line with the spirit of the legislation.  Personally, when it comes to government bailouts, I don't like any of it but I will grin and bear it and hope there are no unforeseen consequences further down the road.   Still what will make my blood boil is companies getting tax payer money that have been buying back stock for years en lieu of improving their cash position and paying down debt.  

 

 

[FirefightnRick]

1 hour ago, HoustonEagle said:

While posting this on twitter seems a bit tone deaf I don't see much reason for outrage.  They passed a 2 Trillion dollar rescue package to save the economy and peoples jobs.  Much of that money going to for-profit companies that should have cash on hand to weather a storm.  (no one could fully prepare their business for this storm).  4 billion to help save the museums and the estimated 100k workers that are are employed directly or indirectly seems like a drop in the bucket and in-line with the spirit of the legislation.  Personally, when it comes to government bailouts, I don't like any of it but I will grin and bear it and hope there are no unforeseen consequences further down the road.   Still what will make my blood boil is companies getting tax payer money that have been buying back stock for years en lieu of improving their cash position and paying down debt.  

 

 

The $4 Billion was for non-profit museums that raise their own money through private donations for other people’s leisure and entertainment.

Asking you and I for $4 Billion dollars for leisure and entertainment is beyond bizarre at this time and is what should make your blood boil.

 

Rick

[ColoradoEagle]

2 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

Asking you and I for $4 Billion dollars for leisure and entertainment is beyond bizarre at this time and is what should make your blood boil.

Acting like a museum and Main Event are the same thing is bizarre.

[HoustonEagle]

1 hour ago, FirefightnRick said:

The $4 Billion was for non-profit museums that raise their own money through private donations for other people’s leisure and entertainment.

Asking you and I for $4 Billion dollars for leisure and entertainment is beyond bizarre at this time and is what should make your blood boil.

 

Rick

There is every kind of museum under the sun and they certainly are not all equal in their importance to society.  That said museums are not just leisure and entertainment.  The majority of museums primary roll is to educate.  

As a corollary, you have been giving your hard earned money to the airlines to transport you around this earth, sell you snacks, and charge you for everything else under the sun.  When times were good with free cash flow these airlines could have been paying down debt, increasing their cash position, increasing efficiency and investing in all facets of their company thus improving shareholder value AND creating a fiscally stronger company that is better prepared to handle tough economic environments.     Instead they only focused on the "shareholder value"  part of the sentence and took a shortcut.  They did this:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-16/u-s-airlines-spent-96-of-free-cash-flow-on-buybacks-chart

You get to pay twice for your flights now.  Listen it all sucks and is frankly against the American way.  But if we are bailing people out I am no more mad about the money to the museums as I am the money to the airlines.  This example can be applied to many more companies as well.     It just sucks but I suppose is necessary.  

[greenminer]

2 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

The $4 Billion was for non-profit museums that raise their own money through private donations for other people’s leisure and entertainment.

Asking you and I for $4 Billion dollars for leisure and entertainment is beyond bizarre at this time and is what should make your blood boil.

 

Rick

Their paid employees are still part of the economy, right? if this is an attempt to help our economy, I wouldn't consider this bizarre at all, unless the donations are still pouring in and salaries are safe.

[ntmeangreen11]

17 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

In my minimal effort to sweep the political garbage away from the virus discussion to here,....

 

 

 

 

Perspective.

 

 

Rick

 

I agree that's completely unnecessary, I'm not sure why that means you have perspective and I don't but okay. You are holier than thou I get it. At least I haven't been kicked out of a game for viciously throwing tortillas at rent a cops.

Keep in mind I'm not a democrat I'm someone who can see the stupidity on both sides. And I'm joking about the tortillas, I was in the stands when you were wrongfully thrown out lol. I am a Mean green fan first so I will keep from these forums as I know good and dang well I'm not changing any minds, Go mean green.

 

 

[El Paso Eagle]

6 hours ago, HoustonEagle said:

While posting this on twitter seems a bit tone deaf I don't see much reason for outrage.  They passed a 2 Trillion dollar rescue package to save the economy and peoples jobs.  Much of that money going to for-profit companies that should have cash on hand to weather a storm.  (no one could fully prepare their business for this storm).  4 billion to help save the museums and the estimated 100k workers that are are employed directly or indirectly seems like a drop in the bucket and in-line with the spirit of the legislation.  Personally, when it comes to government bailouts, I don't like any of it but I will grin and bear it and hope there are no unforeseen consequences further down the road.   Still what will make my blood boil is companies getting tax payer money that have been buying back stock for years en lieu of improving their cash position and paying down debt.  

100% agree - There needs to be wording that would require companies to return all money if they do this. I would also like to see strict conditions on companies laying off employees. They should not get the same help as companies  that are making the effort to keep employees on the payroll. 

 

 

Edited March 25, 2020 by El Paso Eagle

[FirefightnRick]

3 hours ago, ntmeangreen11 said:

I agree that's completely unnecessary, I'm not sure why that means you have perspective and I don't but okay. You are holier than thou I get it. At least I haven't been kicked out of a game for viciously throwing tortillas at rent a cops.

Keep in mind I'm not a democrat I'm someone who can see the stupidity on both sides. And I'm joking about the tortillas, I was in the stands when you were wrongfully thrown out lol. I am a Mean green fan first so I will keep from these forums as I know good and dang well I'm not changing any minds, Go mean green.

 

 

I apologize,, I didn’t intend that to come across as me having more perspective.  Your comment just made me laugh after earlier having  seen Nadler’s post.

And great memory on the Tortilla  game although I didn’t actually get escorted out.

 PD asked me to go to the tunnel in the stands so they could hear.  They came down to ask what was going on in regards to a fight with a security guard starting shit with people in the stands and there was so much commotion we couldn’t hear each other so we moved the conversation to the tunnel and that caused a damn near riot because everyone thought I was getting the boot.  It did freak my son out a little though.

Then afterwards, if that wasn’t enough, after I left to go back to my seat and PD left to walked around to the outside to go to the field to go talk to the security guard...I walk up just in time at my seat to see Ramon Flanagan trying to get his hands around @SilverEagle ‘s neck and see my section of seats fighting him and the coaches in a melee.

 It was a freaking mess!  God I can’t believe we all lived through that era?  Only at North Texas.  But it just proves we have the very best, most passionate fan base in the land.

 

Rick

 

[ntmeangreen11]

20 minutes ago, FirefightnRick said:

I apologize,, I didn’t intend that to come across as me having more perspective.  Your comment just made me laugh after earlier having  seen Nadler’s post.

And great memory on the Tortilla  game although I didn’t actually get escorted out.

 PD asked me to go to the tunnel in the stands so they could hear.  They came down to ask what was going on in regards to a fight with a security guard starting shit with people in the stands and there was so much commotion we couldn’t hear each other so we moved the conversation to the tunnel and that caused a damn near riot because everyone thought I was getting the boot.  It did freak my son out a little though.

Then afterwards, if that wasn’t enough, after I left to go back to my seat and PD left to walked around to the outside to go to the field to go talk to the security guard...I walk up just in time at my seat to see Ramon Flanagan trying to get his hands around @SilverEagle ‘s neck and see my section of seats fighting him and the coaches in a melee.

 It was a freaking mess!  God I can’t believe we all lived through that era?  Only at North Texas.  But it just proves we have the very best, most passionate fan base in the land.

 

Rick

 

We can always agree on glory to the green, indeed.

I was 14, and like two rows back from the man with the blinking hat who rightfully proclaimed "we're getting outcoached" and then stood his ground and didn't cower even 1% when asked to repeat what he said to Flanigans face. @SilverEagle You sir are a legend.

I did not remember that was the same game, good times! And I have a confession to make, I believe said security guard in questions frustrations started because they were hit a few times when touchdowns weren't being scored (by some incredibly immature HS freshman including myself). Some incredibly nice guy gave us a handful of home side seats that night instead of our usual $5 general admission tickets, little did we know two historic events in mean green fandom history would occur that night in those very stands.

[SilverEagle]

On 3/25/2020 at 10:00 PM, ntmeangreen11 said:

We can always agree on glory to the green, indeed.

I was 14, and like two rows back from the man with the blinking hat who rightfully proclaimed "we're getting outcoached" and then stood his ground and didn't cower even 1% when asked to repeat what he said to Flanigans face. @SilverEagle You sir are a legend.

I did not remember that was the same game, good times! And I have a confession to make, I believe said security guard in questions frustrations started because they were hit a few times when touchdowns weren't being scored (by some incredibly immature HS freshman including myself). Some incredibly nice guy gave us a handful of home side seats that night instead of our usual $5 general admission tickets, little did we know two historic events in mean green fandom history would occur that night in those very stands.

@ntmeangreen11,  thanks for the "props". But as a person who was trained to teach history, I feel the need to keep things (as FFR said) in perspective. 

I yelled "we're getting out-coached" to the whole group of coaches who were making their way down the steps. It was only Mr. "everything is about me" who stopped and decided to get confrontational......very much against the counsel of his fellow coaches.

I don't believe that Ramon Flanagan was going to try and get his hands around my neck. As he made his way up through the stands I made sure that my future daughter-in-law (a TCU grad) was on the other side of my son just in case an actual physical conflict happened. Since my balance had been compromised for several years (due do an inner ear infection that got out of hand), I then made sure that I was properly braced in case I was shoved or hit. As it turned out all RM wanted to do was yell and wave his arms and demand that I repeat what I said to his face......which I did. He was then either pulled away by his fellow coaches, or he decided that he had provided enough theater for the crowd, and left on his own. As fellow Mean Green fans quickly gathered around me I remember asking "who the hell was that?" I wasn't surprised when I was told that it was "Mr. spoiled and pampered SMU athlete/graduate".

And now for some perspective.

Several years before this (during the Corkey Nelson era) my wife (who had been regularly attending games with me) decided that we needed to stop sitting on the student side and go over and sit with the "grown-ups".  So we did. Well, guess what? The "grown up" side was populated by the "polite-tennis-applause" crowd. My wife is not a loud obnoxious fan, even though she (like me) grew up in Decatur where the fans were famously loud and obnoxious. But after attending several home games that were hotly contested and observing that the "grown ups" never got any louder than the aforementioned "tennis applause and the occasional "attaboy", she turned to me and said "do these people know that they are attending a football game and not a tennis match?"

I seem to have been installed in NT fan history as the only fan that has ever been verbally attacked by a coach....in the stands. And (ironically) for far less obnoxious behavior (yelling at the coaches/referees) than I had ever indulged in before. One other lesson here is that you don't have to curse or be otherwise vulgar in your behavior to get a huge rise out of someone...…..just yell the unvarnished truth at them....😎

Edited March 27, 2020 by SilverEagle

[UNTLifer]

On 3/25/2020 at 3:30 PM, greenminer said:

Their paid employees are still part of the economy, right? if this is an attempt to help our economy, I wouldn't consider this bizarre at all, unless the donations are still pouring in and salaries are safe.

Yep, because those museum workers are raking in $4 billion in salaries.  Please.  My company qualifies as a small business, less than 500 employees, and the steps being put in place will kill us if we don't open up the economy in the next few weeks.  Protect those that need to be protected and let the rest carry on taking precautions.  Of course the spring breakers, NOLA Mardi Gra folks, etc... will always do whatever causing problems for all.  Then again, the NOLA mayor will blame the federal government for her stupidity.

[97and03]

On 3/20/2020 at 2:20 AM, ttunt1970 said:

Where were these great moral types when Clinton and Obama abused the pardon system

Since this is from the Daily I would say they were in kindergarten or still sperm when Clinton was president but enjoy your outrage. 😘

[El Paso Eagle]

12 minutes ago, 97and03 said:

Since this is from the Daily I would say they were in kindergarten or still sperm when Clinton was president but enjoy your outrage. 😘

Good one. But it's a valid question. Seems there where things that Obama's administration did that were widely accepted and when similar things are done by Trump's administration that are "unforgivable" 

[ttunt1970]

97 where you smart***

[El Paso Eagle]

5 minutes ago, ttunt1970 said:

97 where you smart***

I am still trying to understand where he sees outrage in your post 😕

I guess if you question a former D president you must be outraged

[ttunt1970]

I’m just saying what good for one is good for another and if young people never look at history we WILL repeat the same mistakes

[97and03]

15 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

I am still trying to understand where he sees outrage in your post 😕

I guess if you question a former D president you must be outraged

It was supposed to try to lighten the mood with a joke but oh well. Guess it fell flat.