NCAA To Limit Tournament Attendance

[FirefightnRick]

1 hour ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

.....it is much closer to the flu due to it's life cycle (hence we talk about "flu season", then in late spring it's over) than something like Ebola.....

 

 

Rick

[bstnsportsfan3]

And the conference tournament has been outright cancelled

[MeanGreenTexan]

3 minutes ago, bstnsportsfan3 said:

And the conference tournament has been outright cancelled

WOW.

OK!   Well, I would assume that means we're in the Tourney... but it's starting to look like that may not happen either!

[Army of Dad]

2 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Did I hear right that this virus (obviously much more virulent than the flu) is susceptible at 80 degrees Farenheit?

If so, it is much closer to the flu due to it's life cycle (hence we talk about "flu season", then in late spring it's over) than something like Ebola.

If that's true, I hope to see life return to normal very very soon.  Especially here in Texas and other Southern states where we're about to start warming up (we were over 80 degrees yesterday!).

No science that I’m aware of yet to indicate that. Other Coronaviruses are NOT affected by heat (MERS, for example). It’s too early to tell about this particular virus, but we shouldn’t count on summer to help us.

 

[97and03]

1 hour ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Right.   I would think an epidemiological study of Equatorial countries & Southern Hemisphere countries would shed some light there.   So far, it seems like we're mostly hearing about Northern Hemispheric countries... granted, that's where a vast majority of the world's population lives.

They don’t know enough about this virus because it has only been around less than three months. No one is making predictions at this point. 
The virus has hit some warmer spots and had local transmission including in Thailand, South Africa, and the Philippines.  We just don’t know yet. 

[UNTLifer]

1 hour ago, 97and03 said:

They don’t know enough about this virus because it has only been around less than three months. No one is making predictions at this point. 
The virus has hit some warmer spots and had local transmission including in Thailand, South Africa, and the Philippines.  We just don’t know yet. 

Not true.  The virus was around in October and November. 

[97and03]

18 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Not true.  The virus was around in October and November. 

Please stop spreading misinformation 

“COVID-19 is the infectious disease caused by the most recently discovered coronavirus. This new virus and disease were unknown before the outbreak began in Wuhan, China, in December 2019.”

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/09-01-2020-who-statement-regarding-cluster-of-pneumonia-cases-in-wuhan-china

[TheTastyGreek]

24 minutes ago, 97and03 said:

Please stop spreading misinformation 

“COVID-19 is the infectious disease caused by the most recently discovered coronavirus. This new virus and disease were unknown before the outbreak began in Wuhan, China, in December 2019.”

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/09-01-2020-who-statement-regarding-cluster-of-pneumonia-cases-in-wuhan-china

Please don't argue with the doctor. 

Besides, hip epidemiologists knew about it earlier. Squares like you and the WHO caught on late, after COVID-19 was played out and yesterday's news. By December, it was basically the Nickelback of viral epidemics. 

Now, we're into an eclectic Bolivian disease... Sort of a hantavirus, but with reggaeton influences.  Way more authentic, way more credibility. I'd mention the name, but I'm sure you've never heard of it. 

[UNTLifer]

4 hours ago, 97and03 said:

Please stop spreading misinformation 

“COVID-19 is the infectious disease caused by the most recently discovered coronavirus. This new virus and disease were unknown before the outbreak began in Wuhan, China, in December 2019.”

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/09-01-2020-who-statement-regarding-cluster-of-pneumonia-cases-in-wuhan-china

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

This confirms November.  Sorry, I was off by about two weeks when I mentioned October.  Does it really matter?  I mean it is a months difference.

@TheTastyGreek stop being a douchebag.

Why do I think the media is blowing this out of proportion and some of these decisions are over the top?

In 2009, H1N1 hit resulting in the follwoing:

 Infected 61 million Americans, 274,000 or so hospitalizations and 12,500 deaths.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

Stores didn't run out of TP, schools didn't close, leagues kept playing and the public was shown how to take personal responsibility for their own actions.  Maybe the lack of "panic" was due to who was in office and their positive relationship with him.  All the above is fact except for the final sentence, which is clearly an opinion.  

Edited March 13, 2020 by UNTLifer

[TheTastyGreek]

11 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

 

@TheTastyGreek stop being a douchebag.

Apologies, Doctor. 

[greenminer]

If there was ever a reason to support your local newspapers, this is it. They’re going out there providing all the local updates relevant to you and COVID19, updates that the national outlets can’t do.

Most of them offer an insanely good start-up deal, like 1-2 dollars/week for 1-6 months. After that it will go up to $10-15/month which is still awesome. And, it’s non-committal , so you can cancel at anytime including during the promo period. Full, unlimited access to all their e-content, which includes everything they print and more!

Do it! I just subscribed to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Find your local paper and stay locally informed!

[CMJ]

2 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

This confirms November.  Sorry, I was off by about two weeks when I mentioned October.  Does it really matter?  I mean it is a months difference.

@TheTastyGreek stop being a douchebag.

Why do I think the media is blowing this out of proportion and some of these decisions are over the top?

In 2009, H1N1 hit resulting in the follwoing:

 Infected 61 million Americans, 274,000 or so hospitalizations and 12,500 deaths.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

Stores didn't run out of TP, schools didn't close, leagues kept playing and the public was shown how to take personal responsibility for their own actions.  Maybe the lack of "panic" was due to who was in office and their positive relationship with him.  All the above is fact except for the final sentence, which is clearly an opinion.  

But, if I recall the rate of cases to reported deaths was never as high for that one as it is for this. As I remember the number most seen was around .5% (it ended up as much lower obviously). Given right now the death rate for this is roughly 3.6%, that is why the scientists are ringing alarm bells, and thus the media.

 

But say the actual death rate is way over reported (likely) and it is only 4 times as much as the average flu season.  Last year there were 34,200 deaths in the US from the flu, so this got the same hold in the US that would equate to nearly 137 thousand deaths. They're trying to stop that from happening, hence shutting everything down. I do think it might be too hasty, but I definitely understand the concern.

 

 

[UNTLifer]

11 minutes ago, CMJ said:

But, if I recall the rate of cases to reported deaths was never as high for that one as it is for this. As I remember the number most seen was around .5% (it ended up as much lower obviously). Given right now the death rate for this is roughly 3.6%, that is why the scientists are ringing alarm bells, and thus the media.

 

But say the actual death rate is way over reported (likely) and it is only 4 times as much as the average flu season.  Last year there were 34,200 deaths in the US from the flu, so this got the same hold in the US that would equate to nearly 137 thousand deaths. They're trying to stop that from happening, hence shutting everything down. I do think it might be too hasty, but I definitely understand the concern.

 

 

And I would agree.  I don't understand shutting everything down, like the remainder of some leagues, like the NBA and NHL.  I would think that they would shut things down for a couple of weeks and then reassess.

[eulessismore]

29 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

And I would agree.  I don't understand shutting everything down, like the remainder of some leagues, like the NBA and NHL.  I would think that they would shut things down for a couple of weeks and then reassess.

My understanding is that this is the case for the pro leagues, a suspension rather than a cancellation. But I can understand why the NCAA would cancel rather than suspend, due to the players also being students, adding to the scheduling issues for classes as well as games.

[UNTLifer]

5 hours ago, eulessismore said:

My understanding is that this is the case for the pro leagues, a suspension rather than a cancellation. But I can understand why the NCAA would cancel rather than suspend, due to the players also being students, adding to the scheduling issues for classes as well as games.

Agreed.

[Quoner]

Fun fact: the quarantines exist to flatten the Lifer curve, not eliminate the virus.

[TheTastyGreek]

3 hours ago, Quoner said:

Fun fact: the quarantines exist to flatten the Lifer curve, not eliminate the virus.

We're damn lucky to have an expert medical professional here, taking time away from their critical work in keeping this pandemic under control, updating all of us simple folk here at GMG. 

Show some respect for his credentials, and some appreciation for his generosity of wisdom. 

Doctor, please accept my apology on behalf of Quoner. Keep up the good work, on all fronts. 

[97and03]

Again, the virus was not even fully identified until late Dec/early January, making the response trigger around that time, not in November when it may have first surfaced. 

Regardless of that, the urgency is about preventing as many deaths as possible and stopping our health care system from being overloaded. In Wuhan they basically stopped doing anything other than combating the virus. That means that if you had a heart attack, you likely just died instead of being brought to the hospital. All routine or elective procedures were halted in northern Italian hospitals, as operating rooms were turned into ICUs.  

Again, all of this ignores the fact that many people will barely know they are sick  and will go on with their daily lives abscess transmit the disease. Do you think the popcorn guy at the Stars game has paid sick leave or am excellent insurance plan. Or the waiter at Cane Rosso? And even if they did, testing hasn’t been happening. So it wouldn’t matter.  Early detection is essential and we flubbed it. The entire nation of Italy is under quarantine. Just think about that. 

Edited March 14, 2020 by 97and03

[UNTLifer]

13 hours ago, TheTastyGreek said:

We're damn lucky to have an expert medical professional here, taking time away from their critical work in keeping this pandemic under control, updating all of us simple folk here at GMG. 

Show some respect for his credentials, and some appreciation for his generosity of wisdom. 

Doctor, please accept my apology on behalf of Quoner. Keep up the good work, on all fronts. 

Typical response from an Administrator of this site.  Well played from the lead yuck monkey.  Thanks for more hard-hitting, useful content.

Edited March 14, 2020 by UNTLifer

[FirefightnRick]

On 3/13/2020 at 11:25 AM, UNTLifer said:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

This confirms November.  Sorry, I was off by about two weeks when I mentioned October.  Does it really matter?  I mean it is a months difference.

@TheTastyGreek stop being a douchebag.

Why do I think the media is blowing this out of proportion and some of these decisions are over the top?

In 2009, H1N1 hit resulting in the follwoing:

 Infected 61 million Americans, 274,000 or so hospitalizations and 12,500 deaths.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

Stores didn't run out of TP, schools didn't close, leagues kept playing and the public was shown how to take personal responsibility for their own actions.  Maybe the lack of "panic" was due to who was in office and their positive relationship with him.  All the above is fact except for the final sentence, which is clearly an opinion.  

 

Some interesting info on CDC.gov.

Coronavirus was first discovered in 1963.  This strain, Covid19 if I recall is #4, although there could be others?

Flu season generally runs between October to March,...but can extend thru May.  

But the most interesting thing to me is according to the CDC database In the past 36 flu seasons NO MONTH between April & September has EVER been the peak month for the flu.  It’s always been October, November, December, January, February or March.  

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season.htm

 

 

So since we are halfway through March hopefully this all slows and/or comes to a quick end.

 

Rick 

 

[greenminer]

39 minutes ago, FirefightnRick said:

 

Some interesting info on CDC.gov.

Coronavirus was first discovered in 1963.  This strain, Covid19 if I recall is #4, although there could be others?

Rick 

There are 4 main subgroups: alpha, beta, gamma, delta.  alpha and betas are the only ones that are known to infect humans. COVID19 is the seventh known strain.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html

There are 4 subgroups of influenza: A, B, C and D.  A and B are the ones that attack humans and cause seasonal flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm

[eulessismore]

48 minutes ago, FirefightnRick said:

 

Some interesting info on CDC.gov.

Coronavirus was first discovered in 1963.  This strain, Covid19 if I recall is #4, although there could be others?

Flu season generally runs between October to March,...but can extend thru May.  

But the most interesting thing to me is according to the CDC database In the past 36 flu seasons NO MONTH between April & September has EVER been the peak month for the flu.  It’s always been October, November, December, January, February or March.  

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season.htm

 

 

So since we are halfway through March hopefully this all slows and/or comes to a quick end.

 

Rick 

 

The attached map from the CDC doesn't convince me that the Covid-19 virus cares whether it's flu season or not (and another article describes the typical Australian flu season as being June-September):

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/world-map.html

Article on Australian 2019 flu season (which does indicate that had an earlier start that year, with some cases in March and April, but this still doesn't appear to provide much comfort through the "will end with warmer weather theory" https://www.health.com/cold-flu-sinus/australia-flu-season-us

 

 

Edited March 15, 2020 by eulessismore
More info.

[TheTastyGreek]

7 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Typical response from an Administrator of this site.  Well played from the lead yuck monkey.  Thanks for more hard-hitting, useful content.

All week, I have been expressing my gratitude that a person with your credentials and knowledge would share advice and wisdom about the ongoing pandemic with the rest of us here on GMG. I don't know for sure if your expertise is in virology or epidemiology, but I'm damn glad to have a doctor here with the insight and expertise to help guide us all through this challenging time. 

But I do not appreciate you diminishing and demeaning my profession by calling me a "monkey". 

Just because I didn't spend 6 years in Affiliated With Medical School like you did, doesn't mean I'm an idiot or my career is a joke. It might be mere labor, but it's still work. The fact that it's labor doesn't make me a monkey, or imply that any random ape could do my job instead. 

And the nature of what I do may seem off-putting or unpalatable to you... But I don't appreciate you calling it "yuck". It's honest work, and it's important work. I'll thank you to treat my career with the same respect I treat yours, even if you don't think it's worthy of the same level of regard. 

[DeepGreen]

2 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

 

Some interesting info on CDC.gov.

Coronavirus was first discovered in 1963.  This strain, Covid19 if I recall is #4, although there could be others?

Flu season generally runs between October to March,...but can extend thru May.  

But the most interesting thing to me is according to the CDC database In the past 36 flu seasons NO MONTH between April & September has EVER been the peak month for the flu.  It’s always been October, November, December, January, February or March.  

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season.htm

 

 

So since we are halfway through March hopefully this all slows and/or comes to a quick end.

 

Rick 

 

Quick!!!   Forward this information to the NCAA!  There's still time to "play ball".

[FirefightnRick]

2 hours ago, greenminer said:

There are 4 main subgroups: alpha, beta, gamma, delta.  alpha and betas are the only ones that are known to infect humans. COVID19 is the seventh known strain.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html

There are 4 subgroups of influenza: A, B, C and D.  A and B are the ones that attack humans and cause seasonal flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm

That’s good to know.  And even better knowing people stop contracting them around the end of March.

 

Rick