New transfer rules on the horizon?

[GrandGreen]

5 hours ago, forevereagle said:

Not sure this logic works. Teams will still have the scholarship limits every year for new players and total players. If you load up on transfers, you will have to pay the piper at some point within those limits.

Maybe Fine leaves, but he would have to bet that he would be able to get the starting job somewhere else since they would not be able to contact him while he is under scholarship here. Players will have to make that bet that they can go somewhere else and land the job. Is that a bet they will make? I think it is more likely to benefit us since a player buried on the depth chart may decide to come here and try to win the job than a starter here decides to go and maybe doesn't see the field elsewhere.

What might have happened has little bearing, it is what could happen. 

My guess is that a team needing a good QB, would go after him.   I doubt Fine would leave, but this is a good illustration of how bad this rule change could be for teams like NT..

[UNT18Grad]

I think you guys are greatly over-estimating the talent level on a normal UNT team.  People say someone like Mason could have left, but that's the best QB in school history.  Just looking over our current roster and I truly don't think we have a single player who a P5 team would look down to and say "yes, we really need this guy and he could come in and help immediately."  Nothing wrong with that at all and that doesn't mean we are a bad team.  There are also 2 sides to everything; if a P5 school brings in a couple G5 guys to plug holes they have to be ready for guys to leave who feel disrespected that they were recruited there and the coach doesn't feel they are good enough.  In today's day and age certain guys would leave in a hurry because of this, are schools willing to burn guys they have invested time in already just to possibly get better at a certain position?  I think this will have some impact on schools like UNT, but nothing drastic.  Any negative impact will be offset by how much easier it will be for us to have access to lots of talented players at P5 schools who normally would have no avenue to leave.

[NorthTexasSportsNetwork]

6 hours ago, UNT18Grad said:

I think you guys are greatly over-estimating the talent level on a normal UNT team.  People say someone like Mason could have left, but that's the best QB in school history.  Just looking over our current roster and I truly don't think we have a single player who a P5 team would look down to and say "yes, we really need this guy and he could come in and help immediately."  Nothing wrong with that at all and that doesn't mean we are a bad team.  There are also 2 sides to everything; if a P5 school brings in a couple G5 guys to plug holes they have to be ready for guys to leave who feel disrespected that they were recruited there and the coach doesn't feel they are good enough.  In today's day and age certain guys would leave in a hurry because of this, are schools willing to burn guys they have invested time in already just to possibly get better at a certain position?  I think this will have some impact on schools like UNT, but nothing drastic.  Any negative impact will be offset by how much easier it will be for us to have access to lots of talented players at P5 schools who normally would have no avenue to leave.

I mean in 2017, Guyton looked like a high P5 type player

[forevereagle]

10 hours ago, GrandGreen said:

What might have happened has little bearing, it is what could happen. 

My guess is that a team needing a good QB, would go after him.   I doubt Fine would leave, but this is a good illustration of how bad this rule change could be for teams like NT..

You were the one that brought up that Mason leaving, so not sure why you are discounting that now. 

Maybe a team goes after him, but my point is that he has to enter the portal BEFORE he would know if anyone would go after him. Players at NT and other G5s would be gambling that a P5 would offer them a scholarship and that they would be able to be the starter. If you have NFL aspirations, you have to play to prove that you can play in the NFL and giving up playing time to go to a P5 doesn't do that. It could happen with a handful of players, but I don't think that it would be very widespread. It is also on the coaches to make their best players continue to feel that this is the best place for them to be. Transfers happen today and we don't see many programs with mass transfers to P5 from G5. I just don't see this being the death of competition that it is being played as.

[GrandGreen]

4 minutes ago, forevereagle said:

You were the one that brought up that Mason leaving, so not sure why you are discounting that now. 

Maybe a team goes after him, but my point is that he has to enter the portal BEFORE he would know if anyone would go after him. Players at NT and other G5s would be gambling that a P5 would offer them a scholarship and that they would be able to be the starter. If you have NFL aspirations, you have to play to prove that you can play in the NFL and giving up playing time to go to a P5 doesn't do that. It could happen with a handful of players, but I don't think that it would be very widespread. It is also on the coaches to make their best players continue to feel that this is the best place for them to be. Transfers happen today and we don't see many programs with mass transfers to P5 from G5. I just don't see this being the death of competition that it is being played as.

It would not be the death of competition, but it certainly would give more advantages to the top tier teams. 

Fine was an example, I guess a confusing one when used as I did.  Forget Fine, this rule will further erode competition.

As it gives an easier path, for athletes to transfer up.

I don't get your gambling analogy.  Even if you believe that a player would have to enter the transfer portal to find out if other teams want him.  

I read that most who enter the portal, end up not transferring.  This would not endear them to their current coaching staff, but if they are good players I doubt if they risk losing their scholarships. 

[forevereagle]

1 hour ago, GrandGreen said:

It would not be the death of competition, but it certainly would give more advantages to the top tier teams. 

Fine was an example, I guess a confusing one when used as I did.  Forget Fine, this rule will further erode competition.

As it gives an easier path, for athletes to transfer up.

I don't get your gambling analogy.  Even if you believe that a player would have to enter the transfer portal to find out if other teams want him.  

I read that most who enter the portal, end up not transferring.  This would not endear them to their current coaching staff, but if they are good players I doubt if they risk losing their scholarships. 

It isn't an analogy, it is a fact. If a student athlete wants to transfer up, they are gambling that 1. a school in the P5 will offer them a scholarship and 2. that they will be able to start there. If you are a current starter, you will want to start somewhere else. Moving up to a P5, competition for those starting spots will be more intense. You have to bet on yourself that you can earn that spot over all the other guys that are competing for that spot. If you don't, you have made your situation worse and lost the bet.

How many G5 players leave to go to P5 currently? I don't think the number is that high, especially compared to the number of P5 players going to G5. I just don't see this narrowing competition. It may actually help us in that more of those players will transfer to a G5 earlier in their career instead of waiting until they don't have to wait a year to play. They may be able to see where things are for them and make a move they see as more advantageous for their future before they sit for three years.

[UNT18Grad]

13 hours ago, NorthTexasSportsNetwork said:

I mean in 2017, Guyton looked like a high P5 type player

Agreed, however if this rule was in place Guyton would have used his one time transfer already to come straight from Notre Dame to UNT and would not have been eligible to utilize this again.  So we could have had an extra year of Guyton if this rule was in place, sounds like a positive to me!

Edited February 21, 2020 by UNT18Grad