Food For Thought For Doomsayer Politicians

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14 hours ago, DeepGreen said:

Nope.  All politicians, regardless of level, build personal wealth, all the while under the guise of helping all citizens of our country.  Assuming the deal was made and the price is correct, how was Obama able to buy a $14.85 billion dollar home in Martha’s Vineyard?  Did some supporter give him that money?  How did he build that kind of wealth?  I’m dumb.  Someone clue me in.

he must've gotten ripped off. he could've just bought Martha's Vineyard for that figure. 

[DeepGreen]

2 hours ago, Censored by Laurie said:

he must've gotten ripped off. he could've just bought Martha's Vineyard for that figure. 

Good catch.  Fixed. But still my point is the same.

Edited February 18, 2020 by DeepGreen

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

10 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

Excuse me, but what is it your pointing out here in regards to what I posted above?

 

Rick

 

 

Rick -----Thanks for reposting the truth (the graph) .... Unemployment has been dropping for 10 years and not just Trump years .. It has just continued what was already happening. .  It went to hell in 2008... and which party controlled Congress and the White House then.?? --- note the sourse ---- the BBC (British) and the US Bureau of Labor Statistics .... not some political site. 

Edited February 18, 2020 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[HoustonEagle]

19 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

I have never said Trump doesn't say and do some really dumb things. But you guys have no problem with all of the other politicians who do the same thing and tell people one thing and do the compete opposite behind closed doors? Or no problem when the family members of other politicians get great jobs (have you noticed how many multimillionaire families there are who have been career politicians?  I'm guessing you are also among those who hear the quotes or activities that are implied to have been said.done by Trump and get really pissed off, and then when you find out it was said/done by Obama or other Democrats, start backtracking and justifying really quick.

Me saying that Trump is a terrible person is not an endorsement of anyone else.  Thankfully I am not that simple.  I have never met a perfect person and I don't hold anyone, Presidents included, to that standard.   What I do know is Trump is unequivocally a terrible person.   His life long body of work proves this.  If you don't agree with me that is fine but I wonder where exactly do you draw the line.  

Edited February 18, 2020 by HoustonEagle

[El Paso Eagle]

41 minutes ago, SCREAMING EAGLE-66 said:

 

 

Rick -----Thanks for reposting the truth (the graph) .... Unemployment has been dropping for 10 years and not just Trump years .. It has just continued what was already happening. .  It went to hell in 2008... and which party controlled Congress and the White House then.?? --- note the sourse ---- the BBC (British) and the US Bureau of Labor Statistics .... not some political site. 

Whenever you start an improvement project the first "X" amount is usually much easier to show improvements on (sort of like the 80/20 rule). In the early stages in most projects you will get results that look good (often refereed to as the low hanging fruit). As the gap closes and the amount of "available improvement" reduces there is an exponential amount of work required to continue to show improvement.  

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1 hour ago, DeepGreen said:

Good catch.  Fixed. But still my point is the same.

the Obamas have a net worth of around $40M...considering time spent as a lawyer, 20+ years of governmental positions, post-office pensions, post-office speaking engagement fees, book deals and a deal with Netflix, that number doesn't seem unreasonable. 

[El Paso Eagle]

54 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

the Obamas have a net worth of around $40M...considering time spent as a lawyer, 20+ years of governmental positions, post-office pensions, post-office speaking engagement fees, book deals and a deal with Netflix, that number doesn't seem unreasonable. 

The amount of money politicians make, especially "career politicians" form all parties is crazy. 

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4 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

The amount of money politicians make, especially "career politicians" form all parties is crazy. 

sure...but the politicians themselves really only share in the blame...we've allowed this system to exist and the narrowing of wealth to the top has only exacerbated it and ensured any push back to the center will be extreme, painful and difficult. 

if someone offered you 5-6 figures to talk for an hour about The Stand against Rice, I doubt you'd pass on principle. 

[UNTLifer]

22 hours ago, Censored by Laurie said:

the Obamas have a net worth of around $40M...considering time spent as a lawyer, 20+ years of governmental positions, post-office pensions, post-office speaking engagement fees, book deals and a deal with Netflix, that number doesn't seem unreasonable. 

Based upon the reports that his net worth was anywhere from $800,000 to $1,300,000 upon entering office and an estimated $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 upon leaving office eight years later.  Let's go with the $1,300,000 entering office.  He makes $400,000 per year and doesn't spend a dime of that money, then his networth, minus interest earned, etc... would be $4,500,000.  He and Michelle are reported to have donated about a $1,000,000 to charities while in office and another $2,000,000 upon leaving office leaving them with a net worth of $1,500,000.  So how did that jump $18,500,000?  That is the question.

[UNTLifer]

On 2/17/2020 at 2:03 PM, HoustonEagle said:

Using every lesson taught to you as a child as a measuring stick, yes Trump is a terrible person.....

  If you vote for him you just don’t care that he is a terrible person.  

Wrong.  I voted for him in the last election because of policy position and because of the person he was running against.  I vote based on policy.  The Democratic Party is sliding towards socialism, the current leader, before the DNC ruins him again, is Bernie Sanders a devotee of socialism and communism.  The leading voices in the party Pelosi, Schumer, Waters, AOC, etc... are either hate filled, flat out liars or have supported what Trump supported in the past, yet flip flopped for party reasons and have no backbone.  I look at the areas they are currently responsible for and they are a total disaster.  I look at the countries that have socialist governments, government run healthcare, etc... on a similar scale of the U.S. and see these are a complete disaster.  I see the Democrats preaching tolerance, acceptance and love for all yet their actions show a complete opposite.  

I don't condone Trump's past relationships or how he treated women and I can see through his hot air, but when people make a quote like the one above and then have nothing but glowing words for the likes of JFK, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, etc... they lose me.  Or when they jump on board with Bernie who has never passed a single piece of useful legislation and who railed against millionaires four years ago but has now bumped that to billionaires because he is now worth millions by leaching off of the public.  Who champions a form of government that is against our Constitution and is shown to have failed worldwide unless you are in a position of power.  Or the people that jumped on the Beto bandwagon when he preached the same system yet has never, ever been an effective legislator, was disliked by those he represented and couldn't even win a Senate seat at the state level.  Or Mayor Pete who is now the current darling of the party yet the town he is mayor of is falling apart and has multiple issues.  As someone noted above, there isn't a perfect person walking the face of the earth but don't come on here criticizing one's shortcomings while ignoring another's.

[ColoradoEagle]

48 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Wrong.  I voted for him in the last election because of policy position and because of the person he was running against.  I vote based on policy.

His policies are build a wall to keep Latinos out, keep Muslims out, keep Africans and immigrants out, make the rich richer, make the poor poorer, and degrade the integrity of the office every single day. All are verifiable policies, except the last one where it may be more of a personal oath or something that keeps him motivated.

Edited February 19, 2020 by ColoradoEagle

[UNTLifer]

3 hours ago, ColoradoEagle said:

His policies are build a wall to keep Latinos out, keep Muslims out, keep Africans and immigrants out, make the rich richer, make the poor poorer, and degrade the integrity of the office every single day. All are verifiable policies, except the last one where it may be more of a personal oath or something that keeps him motivated.

B.S.  It is to stop ILLEGAL immigration.  It has nothing to do with Latinos, Africans, Muslims or immigrants.  Show me the verifialbe policies that clearly state the wall is to keep certain people out.

[ColoradoEagle]

19 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

B.S.  It is to stop ILLEGAL immigration.  It has nothing to do with Latinos, Africans, Muslims or immigrants.  Show me the verifialbe policies that clearly state the wall is to keep certain people out.

I mean, it's a wall between the US and Mexico/Central/South America. Currently his travel ban affects immigrants from majority Muslim countries, and Nigeria, Africa's largest country, was added to the list recently. 

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5 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Based upon the reports that his net worth was anywhere from $800,000 to $1,300,000 upon entering office and an estimated $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 upon leaving office eight years later.  Let's go with the $1,300,000 entering office.  He makes $400,000 per year and doesn't spend a dime of that money, then his networth, minus interest earned, etc... would be $4,500,000.  He and Michelle are reported to have donated about a $1,000,000 to charities while in office and another $2,000,000 upon leaving office leaving them with a net worth of $1,500,000.  So how did that jump $18,500,000?  That is the question.

sigh...direct deposit from ISIS, then. 

[El Paso Eagle]

1 hour ago, ColoradoEagle said:

I mean, it's a wall between the US and Mexico/Central/South America. Currently his travel ban affects immigrants from majority Muslim countries, and Nigeria, Africa's largest country, was added to the list recently. 

The wall does not slow down "legal" immigration at all, in fact it actually helps the process as they are able to focus more efforts and resources on those activities. The "wall" was up and going in El Paso for years before President Trump and most of the people and politicians acting like it is the worst thing ever had little to no problems. Many of the El Paso area politicians in the past were are ceremonies support the Border Patrols efforts and the difference the wall was making. Many, many on the border region who followed the legal process are in support of the efforts to have a controlled system in place. Of course you don't see their stories on the news as much because it doesn't support the narrative

 

5 hours ago, ColoradoEagle said:

His policies are build a wall to keep Latinos out, keep Muslims out, keep Africans and immigrants out, make the rich richer, make the poor poorer, and degrade the integrity of the office every single day. All are verifiable policies, except the last one where it may be more of a personal oath or something that keeps him motivated.

How does keep people out who are in many cases paid below minimum wage make the rich richer? It also can cause wages to increase and therefore not support you "poor poorer" claim.

 

[MeanGreenTexan]

23 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

sigh...direct deposit from ISIS, then. 

Nah.  There's a perfectly good explanation.

How would you like to own your own business & earn money working from home while throwing lots of parties with your friends like the Obamas?   
Did you know there are better alternatives to home fragrance than lighting dangerous candles?   If so, you could partner with Barack & Michelle and make Millions selling Scentsy!

[El Paso Eagle]

Just now, MeanGreenTexan said:

Nah.  There's a perfectly good explanation.

How would you like to own your own business & earn money working from home while throwing lots of parties with your friends like the Obamas?   
Did you know there are better alternatives to home fragrance than lighting dangerous candles?   If so, you could partner with Barack & Michelle and make Millions selling Scentsy!

Classic!!!

And at every party you get a free copy of  "The Government officials guide to insider trading" (This book is the only example in Washington were Republicans and Democrats have shown were they are willing to work together and set their differences aside).

[ColoradoEagle]

16 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

The wall does not slow down "legal" immigration at all, in fact it actually helps the process as they are able to focus more efforts and resources on those activities. 

It doesn't really slow anything down. That's kinda the point. It's a huge waste of billions of dollars when most illegal entry into the country doesn't happen outside of ports of entry.

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How does keep people out who are in many cases paid below minimum wage make the rich richer? It also can cause wages to increase and therefore not support you "poor poorer" claim.

They're unrelated policies. Giving huge tax cuts to corporations with the delusion that wealth will 'trickle down' didn't happen. It never happens, but Republicans keep going down that road. That's making the rich richer. He's also worked to make food stamps more restrictive, limit or remove ACA coverage, and wants to cut Social Security for disabled people and cut Medicaid spending. Making the poor poorer.

[El Paso Eagle]

1 minute ago, ColoradoEagle said:

It doesn't really slow anything down. That's kinda the point. It's a huge waste of billions of dollars when most illegal entry into the country doesn't happen outside of ports of entry.

They're unrelated policies. Giving huge tax cuts to corporations with the delusion that wealth will 'trickle down' didn't happen. It never happens, but Republicans keep going down that road. That's making the rich richer. He's also worked to make food stamps more restrictive, limit or remove ACA coverage, and wants to cut Social Security for disabled people and cut Medicaid spending. Making the poor poorer.

For the first part, just to understand, are you saying the wall is a waste or any effort to slow down illegal immigration is a waste? I guess your OK with the billions of tax payer dollars spent providing services to illegal immigrants?

So as these evil rich people get richer they are not providing jobs for thousands and thousands of people?

[ColoradoEagle]

1 hour ago, El Paso Eagle said:

For the first part, just to understand, are you saying the wall is a waste or any effort to slow down illegal immigration is a waste? I guess your OK with the billions of tax payer dollars spent providing services to illegal immigrants?

It's spending a massive amount of money for something that isn't really that much of a problem. Illegal immigration at ports of entry? Problem. People randomly crossing in the Arizona desert/mountains? Happens a tiny percentage of the time compared to ports of entry.

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So as these evil rich people get richer they are not providing jobs for thousands and thousands of people?

They provide plenty of average to low paying jobs. They horde new wealth for themselves. It does not trickle down.

[UNTLifer]

1 hour ago, ColoradoEagle said:

It's spending a massive amount of money for something that isn't really that much of a problem. Illegal immigration at ports of entry? Problem. People randomly crossing in the Arizona desert/mountains? Happens a tiny percentage of the time compared to ports of entry.

They provide plenty of average to low paying jobs. They horde new wealth for themselves. It does not trickle down.

You must not live near a border. You must also be fine with voting rights for illegals, free healthcare for illegals, free schooling, etc...  Anything for people that entered illegally. Of course it is on the southern border. There isn’t an issue with people entering illegally from the north like there is from the south. Oh, and then their are the drug tunnels from Mexico. I guess you don’t have an issue with the cartels doing business here. Probably explains the Colorado in your screen name. 

[ColoradoEagle]

54 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

You must not live near a border. You must also be fine with voting rights for illegals, free healthcare for illegals, free schooling, etc...  Anything for people that entered illegally. Of course it is on the southern border. There isn’t an issue with people entering illegally from the north like there is from the south. Oh, and then their are the drug tunnels from Mexico. I guess you don’t have an issue with the cartels doing business here. Probably explains the Colorado in your screen name. 

That's a lot of assumptions on your part. One question: how is a multi billion dollar wall going to stop drug tunnels?

[El Paso Eagle]

3 hours ago, ColoradoEagle said:

That's a lot of assumptions on your part. One question: how is a multi billion dollar wall going to stop drug tunnels?

It will help to allow agents to focus on those issues (this come from discussions with several agents)

[UNTLifer]

3 hours ago, ColoradoEagle said:

That's a lot of assumptions on your part. One question: how is a multi billion dollar wall going to stop drug tunnels?

Do you seriously think about what you are going to post before you type it on here?

[ColoradoEagle]

12 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Do you seriously think about what you are going to post before you type it on here?

I do. Do you do anything other than hurl every single insult in the book at someone and go with the whole "You must hate America!" schtick?