Food For Thought For Doomsayer Politicians

[LongJim]

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/01/31/election-year-tales-of-poverty-and-woe-at-odds-with-reality/

 

[Hunter Green]

Democrat socialists make their living sowing fear and loathing to those who may believe it. Rarely do they offer any realistic, real life solutions to law abiding, working, tax paying Americans. It's been their trademark for over 50 years.

[meangreendork]

I would be more concerned with the current president wishing to have the US Army go after LTC Vindman for telling the truth under oath while cutting a break for Stone, who engaged in witness tampering and violated court orders.

[Censored by Laurie]

On 2/7/2020 at 9:14 AM, LongJim said:

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/01/31/election-year-tales-of-poverty-and-woe-at-odds-with-reality/

 

the "things used to be/could subsequently be worse" argument for why people shouldn't want better over all is a bad argument.

[LongJim]

6 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

the "things used to be/could subsequently be worse" argument for why people shouldn't want better over all is a bad argument.

I didn't get that take from the article at all.

But if I'm understanding you, it seems your conclusion is that politicians should distort reality and assume an unrealistic outlook regarding the way things really are in order to remain in, assume, or increase their power and influence over the voting public.

If so, that's scary on multiple levels. 

[Censored by Laurie]

5 minutes ago, LongJim said:

But if I'm understanding you, it seems your conclusion is that politicians should distort reality and assume an unrealistic outlook regarding the way things really are in order to remain in, assume, or increase their power and influence over the voting public.

no...that's a really big leap.

what it does mean, to take directly from these very anecdotal examples...is that just because we don't have sweat shops that we shouldn't lobby for a living wage
it means that just because we don't have tenements that we shouldn't push for fairer housing practices
it means just because people aren't shooting up on your neighbors stoop with a bent spoon and syringe that we shouldn't hold drug companies accountable for masking the dependency their opiates create
it means that just because cities were dangerous in the 70s that we shouldn't at least discuss gun culture in the wake of countless mass shootings
it means that just because a picture of Pittsburgh in the 70s was cloudy as AF that we should ignore global climate change

and ya...it means that just because there's not poop on your corner that everything is great. 

most of all, you don't get to support going back to a better time and making america great again while also pointing out how much it sucked. 

this is a shitty opinion piece with zero numbers/evidence/argument. you liked it because it kinda vaguely tried to portray a less extreme/less dramatic vision which in truth never actually existed. it criticized both parties, so it must be balanced right? 

nah...it said nothing and did it poorly. 
 

[LongJim]

8 hours ago, Censored by Laurie said:

...that's really big leap.

this is a shitty opinion piece with zero numbers/evidence/argument.
 

Hahaha...sure it is...

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

On 2/9/2020 at 12:06 PM, Hunter Green said:

Democrat socialists make their living sowing fear and loathing to those who may believe it. Rarely do they offer any realistic, real life solutions to law abiding, working, tax paying Americans. It's been their trademark for over 50 years.

You are gullible to crazy claims by the far right .. A lot of hate sites are put up by foreign countries trying to divide us ... Some more were taken down today (Iranian) ... Some others by SOME of the super wealthy (maybe Koch ) that just can't get rich enough,  --that want to get legislation to reduce their taxes or regulations on their business removed.  ... The Koch bros (one died recently) even opposed a minimum wage  .Notice-- the corporate taxes was cut by 40% on the last cut by Trump ..from 35% to 21% .. a 40% reduction... [ever wonder why he doesn't reveal his tax form like all other Presidential candidates have done since 1956..?? ]   Mine went down 1%.. whoppee.!!    One thing UNT really taught me was consider the source and do they have anything to gain from what they are saying ...  I hope they still emphasize that  in social studies dept and in education one also.  PS: .. do you consider public schools socialism ... people pay school taxes even if they have no kids ... how about parks... or many other things our taxes support... I am glad my wife was able to collect survivors Social Security benefits.. her father died as the result of WWII when she was 3. ... or would you have preferred she beg on the street like they do in India..??    Just think about what you really support and where you read things. .... [ not super-wealthy .. how much did your taxes drop.?  ..was it 40% also?? ]

Edited February 13, 2020 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[FirefightnRick]

I don’t understand why the author attempted to compare the left’s CONSTANT message of doom and gloom to the right’s celebration of the current economic prosperity.

The guy must not have seen a single campaign speech by any of the democrat candidates currently running for president.....or watched a minute of President Trumps state of the union night.

You cannot find two more differing  realities.

 

Rick

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

On 2/9/2020 at 12:06 PM, Hunter Green said:

Democrat socialists make their living sowing fear and loathing to those who may believe it. Rarely do they offer any realistic, real life solutions to law abiding, working, tax paying Americans. It's been their trademark for over 50 years.

Democrats ..???. That sounds like like Rush Limbaugh and these extremist right wing guys on radio that spew hate and distrust of those that don't agree with them... They even claim main stream news they that don't agree with or don't want to be true is...... FAKE.!!... 

Edited February 13, 2020 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[UNTLifer]

21 hours ago, SCREAMING EAGLE-66 said:

You are gullible to crazy claims by the far right .. A lot of hate sites are put up by foreign countries trying to divide us ... Some more were taken down today (Iranian) ... Some others by SOME of the super wealthy (maybe Koch ) that just can't get rich enough,  --that want to get legislation to reduce their taxes or regulations on their business removed.  ... The Koch bros (one died recently) even opposed a minimum wage  .Notice-- the corporate taxes was cut by 40% on the last cut by Trump ..from 35% to 21% .. a 40% reduction... [ever wonder why he doesn't reveal his tax form like all other Presidential candidates have done since 1956..?? ]   Mine went down 1%.. whoppee.!!    One thing UNT really taught me was consider the source and do they have anything to gain from what they are saying ...  I hope they still emphasize that  in social studies dept and in education one also.  PS: .. do you consider public schools socialism ... people pay school taxes even if they have no kids ... how about parks... or many other things our taxes support... I am glad my wife was able to collect survivors Social Security benefits.. her father died as the result of WWII when she was 3. ... or would you have preferred she beg on the street like they do in India..??    Just think about what you really support and where you read things. .... [ not super-wealthy .. how much did your taxes drop.?  ..was it 40% also?? ]

There is a difference is social services, public school, public services, Social Security, and socialism where the government taxes at a high rate and promises all of these services in return.  How many socialist countries thrive?  Hell, we live in the greatest country in the world yet our government fails at providing minimal services and the Democrats want to expand that?  Medicare for all is a financial boondoggle.  The government runs Social Security, the postal service, the VA, and Amtrak for instance.  Which one of those is run well and successful?

[UNTLifer]

10 hours ago, SCREAMING EAGLE-66 said:

Democrats ..???. That sounds like like Rush Limbaugh and these extremist right wing guys on radio that spew hate and distrust of those that don't agree with them... They even claim main stream news they that don't agree with or don't want to be true is...... FAKE.!!... 

The leaders in the party sow that fear.  AOC and her bunch, Warren, Sanders, etc...  The funny thing about Sanders is that he had millionaires in his cross hairs four years ago. Now that he's a millionaire he's up it to billionaires.  Speaking of Sanders, he is a prime example of who socialism benefits.  He has never passed a meaningful peace of legislation, yet here he, a millionaire by living off of the public's dime.  Before you form your rebuttal, remember that he is a devoted communist.

Edited February 14, 2020 by UNTLifer

[El Paso Eagle]

It's been on the brink of "The End" for a long. If it's too far Left or too far Right beware of what you believe 

 

Edited February 13, 2020 by El Paso Eagle

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

On 2/13/2020 at 5:02 PM, UNTLifer said:

The leaders in the party sow that fear.  AOC and her bunch, Warren, Sanders, etc...  The funny thing about Sanders is that he had millionaires in his cross hairs four years ago. Now that he's a millionaire he's up it to billionaires.  Speaking of Sanders, he is a prime example of who socialism benefits.  He has never passed a meaningful peace of legislation, yet here he, a millionaire by living off of the public's dime.  Before you form your rebuttal, remember that he is a devoted communist.

---Saunders is far from the typical Democrat ... but does have his fans.... and I hope Trump is far from the typical GOP person ( lies constantly, immoral, calls people immature bully names (Little Rubio, Lying Cruz, Mini-Bloomberg etc)   I just hope someone elected is more in the middle.... I get tired of hearing that Demos want to take up your guns (not true, but control those guns that can shoot 30 people in 30 seconds as happened in Ohio), no "normal" person needs one of those  ... also better background checks .[not anti-gun, own several] .. Demos are not the socialist that they claim either but at the same time are not so backward they resists all change.... I am rather old but in my lifetime when I graduated from HS no blacks could attend ANY SWC, SEC or ACC school or even attend the Baptist College in my hometown even if they lived there... [unbelievable now] .  UNT was about the only Texas D-I school that they could attend , maybe the only one ... Houston and West Texas State were available soon afterwards. (before I graduated from college) I even saw the first black guy play in the SWC..Baylor  Fall 1966 and no black athletes at TXTech in 1968 when I was there , UT even later.. I even remember  my Mom getting nearly irate at times because of restrictions on her (female) .. Once she asked for the bank balance and they told her they had to call my father first... she had just deposited HER check....  The damned "LIBERALS" which the GOP loves to call them passed civil rights bills which made changes... Just be honest about things is my entire point... To me, except conservative financially.. which I absolutely am, conservative means "no change " and in fact let's do it like it was once done. ... ie. go backward. 

. My entire point -- be honest and don't claim people believe things they don't really believe PLUS if  just one or a few  in a group are very "liberal" (nuts to the GOP) that doesn't mean the group is.. .. If so ... DO all GOP lie like crazy because Trump does constantly and have been extremely immoral during their life .. (ask two ex-wives) ... Is that what all GOP are ..??. NO..  When are we going to see those tax forms he promised .. what is he hiding. ... He is and you know it. One is how much his tax cut made for him and also . likely some illegal or very questionable things on those forms .. what is he hiding ?? ... No other Presidential candidate of EITHER party since 1956 has not revealed theirs .... so why is he... ??? .... You know, may not want to admit it .. but you know.  He is such a financial wizard his companies has gone  bankrupt at least seven times ...... but he pocketed money... and people that was owed money by them were never paid.... That is what he is...!!.

 

Edited February 17, 2020 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[HoustonEagle]

On 2/13/2020 at 9:10 AM, FirefightnRick said:

I don’t understand why the author attempted to compare the left’s CONSTANT message of doom and gloom to the right’s celebration of the current economic prosperity.

The guy must not have seen a single campaign speech by any of the democrat candidates currently running for president.....or watched a minute of President Trumps state of the union night.

You cannot find two more differing  realities.

 

Rick

[El Paso Eagle]

54 minutes ago, SCREAMING EAGLE-66 said:

---Saunders is far from the typical Democrat ... but does have his fans.... and I hope Trump is far from the typical GOP person ( lies constantly, immoral, calls people immature bully names (Little Rubio, Lying Cruz, Mini-Bloomberg etc)   I just hope someone elected is more in the middle.... I get tired of hearing that Demos want to take up your guns (not true, but control those guns that can shoot 30 people in 30 seconds as happened in Ohio), no "normal" person needs one of those  ... also better background checks .[not anti-gun, own several] .. Demos are not the socialist that they claim either but at the same time are not so backward they resists all change.... I am rather old but in my lifetime when I graduated from HS no blacks could attend ANY SWC, SEC or ACC school or even attend the Baptist College in my hometown even if they lived there... [unbelievable now] .  UNT was about the only Texas D-I school that they could attend , maybe the only one ... Houston and West Texas State were available soon afterwards. (before I graduated from college) I even saw the first black guy play in the SWC..Baylor  Fall 1966 and no black athletes at TXTech in 1968 when I was there , UT even later.. I even remember  my Mom getting nearly irate at times because of restrictions on her (female) .. Once she asked for the bank balance and they told her they had to call my father first... she had just deposited HER check....  The damned "LIBERALS" which the GOP loves to call them passed civil rights bills which made changes... Just be honest about things is my entire point... To me, except conservative financially.. which I absolutely am, conservative means "no change " and in fact let's do it like it was once done. ... ie. go backward. 

. My entire point -- be honest and don't claim people believe things they don't really believe PLUS if  just one or a few  in a group are very "liberal" (nuts to the GOP) that doesn't mean the group is.. .. If so ... DO all GOP lie like crazy because Trump does constantly and have been extremely immoral during their life .. (ask two ex-wives) ... Is that what all GOP are ..??. NO..  When are we going to see those tax forms he promised .. what is he hiding. ... He is and you know it. One is how much his tax cut made for him and also . likely some illegal or very questionable things on those forms .. what is he hiding ?? ... No other Presidential candidate of EITHER party since 1956 has not revealed theirs .... so why is he... ??? .... You know, may not want to admit it .. but you know.  He is such a financial wizard his companies has gone  bankrupt at least seven times ...... but he pocketed money... and people that was owed money by them were never paid.... That is what he is...!!.

 

So, to recap   

Trump is terrible ... Filler .... Trump is terrible

Someone has a bad case of the "Never Trumper"

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

7 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

So, to recap   

Trump is terrible ... Filler .... Trump is terrible

Someone has a bad case of the "Never Trumper"

If honesty or morality matters to you ... he is terrible . It seems everything is entirely about him (ego, arrogant)  ... not about America or anyone else. Also no one else has used their entire family run things like a royal family.. Ever wonder why so many of his original staff are long gone (unlike other administrations)  ... quit or fired 

[ntmeangreen11]

Imagine being this one sided...

Imagine watching cable news 12+ hours a week

Imagine living in Texas, the South for decades and convincing yourself the Yankee is the guy who speaks for you. 

Ya'll are so consumed by red/blue it's crazy. Whether it's a democrat or republican in office in 2021 nothing will change for you. 

For your own sanity, blood pressure, and longevity, cut down on the cable news and stop arguing with each other over pointless bullshit.

[HoustonEagle]

56 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

So, to recap   

Trump is terrible ... Filler .... Trump is terrible

Someone has a bad case of the "Never Trumper"

Using every lesson taught to you as a child as a measuring stick, yes Trump is a terrible person.

We can go through all of the examples but you know them.  If you vote for him you just don’t care that he is a terrible person.  

[El Paso Eagle]

I have never said Trump doesn't say and do some really dumb things. But you guys have no problem with all of the other politicians who do the same thing and tell people one thing and do the compete opposite behind closed doors? Or no problem when the family members of other politicians get great jobs (have you noticed how many multimillionaire families there are who have been career politicians?  I'm guessing you are also among those who hear the quotes or activities that are implied to have been said.done by Trump and get really pissed off, and then when you find out it was said/done by Obama or other Democrats, start backtracking and justifying really quick.

[MeanGreenTexan]

13 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

I have never said Trump doesn't say and do some really dumb things. But you guys have no problem with all of the other politicians who do the same thing and tell people one thing and do the compete opposite behind closed doors? Or no problem when the family members of other politicians get great jobs (have you noticed how many multimillionaire families there are who have been career politicians?  I'm guessing you are also among those who hear the quotes or activities that are implied to have been said.done by Trump and get really pissed off, and then when you find out it was said/done by Obama or other Democrats, start backtracking and justifying really quick.

"but, but, he/she did it too..." is not a good argument either.   All politicians are scumbags.

I wonder if we'll ever get back to a point where we would expect a sitting president to be above reproach.   Or, will it always be finger-pointing at previous transgressions from other politicians?

 

[El Paso Eagle]

12 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

"but, but, he/she did it too..." is not a good argument either.   All politicians are scumbags.

I wonder if we'll ever get back to a point where we would expect a sitting president to be above reproach.   Or, will it always be finger-pointing at previous transgressions from other politicians?

 

Sadly it does not seem likely anytime soon.  My best guess to get back to civility- term limits.

[MeanGreenTexan]

3 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Sadly it does not seem likely anytime soon.  My best guess to get back to civility- term limits.

Oh, I'm all for that.  
Get in.  Do what you say you're going to do, then get out.   Get some kind of benefit for your brief time serving, like maybe healthcare or some kind of small pension.

[DeepGreen]

16 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Oh, I'm all for that.  
Get in.  Do what you say you're going to do, then get out.   Get some kind of benefit for your brief time serving, like maybe healthcare or some kind of small pension.

Nope.  All politicians, regardless of level, build personal wealth, all the while under the guise of helping all citizens of our country.  Assuming the deal was made and the price is correct, how was Obama able to buy a $14.85 mil dollar home in Martha’s Vineyard?  Did some supporter give him that money?  How did he build that kind of wealth?  I’m dumb.  Someone clue me in.

Edited February 18, 2020 by DeepGreen

[FirefightnRick]

11 hours ago, HoustonEagle said:

Excuse me, but what is it your pointing out here in regards to what I posted above?

 

Rick

Edited February 18, 2020 by FirefightnRick