Rhule

[Cr1028]

Rhule to the Carolina Panthers, Littrell or Dykes to Baylor, you heard it here first folks.😁

 

...per Jimmy Sexton

Edited January 7, 2020 by Cr1028

[Jason Howeth]

Hate Baylor with a passion, so I don't hate to see him go right when they get "good" again.

 

"good" being a highly subjective term.

[Arkstfan]

I'd be surprised if Littrell moves this year. Only three G5 coaches to move this year won their conference and at least 10 games. Could have been four if Harsin hadn't turned people down.

[p_phelps]

7 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Rhule to the Carolina Panthers, Littrell or Dykes to Baylor, you heard it here first folks. 😁

Would love to see dykes get outta here, he's made smu relevant... and it sucks

[dml7007]

Early mention of Littrell in the Scoop..

https://footballscoop.com/news/early-update-at-baylor/

 

[Cr1028]

He was mentioned before when Rhule almost left. I wouldn't put it past them to try to get another contract extension out of this at the least, and get the Baylor job at the most.

[El Paso Eagle]

If Seth chooses to interview, fine. But I really hope he keeps it so far off the radar no one knows.

[SilverEagle]

23 minutes ago, dml7007 said:

Early mention of Littrell in the Scoop..

https://footballscoop.com/news/early-update-at-baylor/

 

Just reaching, but could the lack of replacements for the OC and OL/DL at this point in time have anything to do with this?

[Cr1028]

3 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

Just reaching, but could the lack of replacements for the OC and OL/DL at this point in time have anything to do with this?

I had this thought.

[Cr1028]

3 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

If Seth chooses to interview, fine. But I really hope he keeps it so far off the radar no one knows.

That isn't how his agent operates.

[Wag Tag]

Dykes would be a great hire for Baylor. Looks like Rhule going to the Panthers!

Edited January 7, 2020 by Wag Tag

[El Paso Eagle]

If the contract ESPN is reporting is true (60-70 million over 7  years), The Panthers are making about a crazy a move as Oakland did with JG's deal

[untbowler]

Blake Anderson would be fantastic down in Waco, but I would not mind seeing SL get the job either and move on. 

[outoftown]

1 hour ago, SilverEagle said:

Just reaching, but could the lack of replacements for the OC and OL/DL at this point in time have anything to do with this?

It is likely indeed a reach. On the other hand there appears to be a whole number of us who had that thought cross our minds.

Edited January 7, 2020 by outoftown

[MeanGreenTexan]

3 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

He was mentioned before when Rhule almost left. I wouldn't put it past them to try to get another contract extension out of this at the least, and get the Baylor job at the most.

After a 4-8 season during the Senior year of the greatest QB our school has ever had, we CANNOT give Littrell another extension/raise... those need to be earned.   He earned his first 3 extensions.   He did not earn one this year.  Win another 9+ games again next year, and extend him again!

3 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

If Seth chooses to interview, fine. But I really hope he keeps it so far off the radar no one knows.

Knowing that his brand is a little down right now and that he needs to win at NT before he'll get serious consideration for these jobs, it would be best for him to keep any interviews he may have on the downlow.

[Rudy]

2 hours ago, untbowler said:

Blake Anderson would be fantastic down in Waco, but I would not mind seeing SL get the job either and move on. 

I don't care how much you dislike Seth, losing a head coach at this point would decimate most programs. 

[Cr1028]

5 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

After a 4-8 season during the Senior year of the greatest QB our school has ever had, we CANNOT give Littrell another extension/raise... those need to be earned.   He earned his first 3 extensions.   He did not earn one this year.  Win another 9+ games again next year, and extend him again.

I agree with you but his agent would certainly dangle the carrot. A lot went wrong this season and their AD potentially could give him a pass on this season based on his body of work. He has seen what Mason Fine can do on a Seth-coached team and I’d imagine they are chomping at the bit to see what Charlie Brewer could do. 

Edited January 8, 2020 by Cr1028

[untjim1995]

7 hours ago, untbowler said:

Blake Anderson would be fantastic down in Waco, but I would not mind seeing SL get the job either and move on. 

Baylor ain’t hiring SL...his brand is tarnished after the awful season we just had. People want to see if he can bounce back with new coordinators and a new QB, with a MUCH tougher schedule. SL is ours for a few more years...

[Wag Tag]

2018 FAU picked to win conf...goes 5/7 now where is Lane? Seth has a winning record in 2020 he will be hot again!

[MrStrange18]

9 hours ago, Wag Tag said:

2018 FAU picked to win conf...goes 5/7 now where is Lane? Seth has a winning record in 2020 he will be hot again!

Well Lane won the conference and their bowl game convincingly... He earned it.  If Seth does the same thing in 2020.  He will have earned it and I will thank him for what hes done.

[SilverEagle]

2 hours ago, MrStrange18 said:

Well Lane won the conference and their bowl game convincingly... He earned it.  If Seth does the same thing in 2020.  He will have earned it and I will thank him for what hes done.

Count me skeptical, make that very skeptical, that that will happen. SL's teams here have run up some pretty impressive passing statistics, but his teams have yet to win one conference championship, and they have yet to win a bowl game. In fact, his best bowl performance (vs Army) was an overtime loss at the end of one of his worst years. Since then we have been curb-stomped in conference championship and bowl games, And obviously none of those teams were impressed with our smoke-and-mirrors statistics. 

Edited January 8, 2020 by SilverEagle

[untjim1995]

55 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

Count me skeptical, make that very skeptical, that that will happen. SL's teams here have run up some pretty impressive passing statistics, but his teams have yet to win one conference championship, and they have yet to win a bowl game. In fact, his best bowl performance (vs Army) was an overtime loss at the end of one of his worst years. Since then we have been curb-stomped in conference and bowl games, And obviously none of those teams were impressed with our smoke-and-mirrors statistics. 

I'm with you here. The schedule this upcoming year is not the way to introduce a new QB, two new coordinators, and still little signs that our lines look much better than this past year. 

SL's best chance to rebuild his reputation probably comes in 2021, when these recruiting classes he's recently signed have the chance to develop and become difference-makers. 2020 is going to be all about developing a QB and experience with these new coordinators. I don't see us being real competitive at all against the FBS OOC opponents, nor the CUSA West teams outside of Texas. I figure we are competitive still with the Texas CUSA teams and hopefully the CUSA East teams, so adding in a win over the FCS spare, that should get us to 4-8 or 5-7 next year. Anything better than this will be a great sign for us as move into 2021 and beyond. I still bet SL is here for at least 2 more seasons, probably even more. He's going to have to win 9+ games in a season again, but actually win a conference championship or bowl with it, before any P5 will come sniffing again after him. Hell, that might be the only way a team in the AAC or MWC would even be interested in him down the road. His fast track to a P5 gig got derailed pretty badly in 2019.

[MeanGreenTexan]

13 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

I'm with you here. The schedule this upcoming year is not the way to introduce a new QB, two new coordinators, and still little signs that our lines look much better than this past year. 

SL's best chance to rebuild his reputation probably comes in 2021, when these recruiting classes he's recently signed have the chance to develop and become difference-makers. 2020 is going to be all about developing a QB and experience with these new coordinators. I don't see us being real competitive at all against the FBS OOC opponents, nor the CUSA West teams outside of Texas. I figure we are competitive still with the Texas CUSA teams and hopefully the CUSA East teams, so adding in a win over the FCS spare, that should get us to 4-8 or 5-7 next year. Anything better than this will be a great sign for us as move into 2021 and beyond. I still bet SL is here for at least 2 more seasons, probably even more. He's going to have to win 9+ games in a season again, but actually win a conference championship or bowl with it, before any P5 will come sniffing again after him. Hell, that might be the only way a team in the AAC or MWC would even be interested in him down the road. His fast track to a P5 gig got derailed pretty badly in 2019.

Next year may turn out to be a nice season since Bean/Aune/whoever will be thrown to the wolves during non-conference and although we may only be 1-3 afterward, we should be battle-tested for the same-old conference slate.   A C-USA championship is there on the table for us.   
Louisiana Tech is replacing their QB and both coordinators as well.

[SilverEagle]

38 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

I'm with you here. The schedule this upcoming year is not the way to introduce a new QB, two new coordinators, and still little signs that our lines look much better than this past year. 

SL's best chance to rebuild his reputation probably comes in 2021, when these recruiting classes he's recently signed have the chance to develop and become difference-makers. 2020 is going to be all about developing a QB and experience with these new coordinators. I don't see us being real competitive at all against the FBS OOC opponents, nor the CUSA West teams outside of Texas. I figure we are competitive still with the Texas CUSA teams and hopefully the CUSA East teams, so adding in a win over the FCS spare, that should get us to 4-8 or 5-7 next year. Anything better than this will be a great sign for us as move into 2021 and beyond. I still bet SL is here for at least 2 more seasons, probably even more. He's going to have to win 9+ games in a season again, but actually win a conference championship or bowl with it, before any P5 will come sniffing again after him. Hell, that might be the only way a team in the AAC or MWC would even be interested in him down the road. His fast track to a P5 gig got derailed pretty badly in 2019.

You are much more generous than me. "Down the corridor of years"  I've observed that if a coach is going to "turn things around", they will do so in the first two or three years. For example(s)

 

Lane Kiffin

 

Year	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Bowl/playoffs	Coaches#	AP°
Tennessee Volunteers (Southeastern Conference) (2009)
2009	Tennessee	7–6	4–4	T–2nd (Eastern)	L Chick-Fil-A
Tennessee:		7–6	4–4
USC Trojans (Pac-10/Pac-12 Conference) (2010–2013)
2010	USC	8–5	5–4	T–3rd	‡	‡
2011	USC	10–2	7–2	1st (South) ‡	‡	‡	6
2012	USC	7–6	5–4	T–2nd (South)	L Sun
2013	USC	3–2*	0–2
USC:		28–15	17–12
Florida Atlantic Owls (Conference USA) (2017–2019)
2017	Florida Atlantic	11–3	8–0	1st (East)	W Boca Raton
2018	Florida Atlantic	5–7	3–5	5th (East)
2019	Florida Atlantic	10–3	7–1	1st (East)	Boca Raton**
Florida Atlantic:		26–13	18–6	** Departed Florida Atlantic for Ole Miss before bowl game
Ole Miss Rebels (Southeastern Conference) (2020–present)
2020	Ole Miss	0–0	0–0

 

Matt Rhule

 

Year	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Bowl/playoffs
Temple Owls (American Athletic Conference) (2013–2016)
2013	Temple	2–10	1–7	T–9th
2014	Temple	6–6	4–4	6th
2015	Temple	10–4	7–1	1st (East)	L Boca Raton
2016	Temple	10–3	7–1	1st (East)	Military*
Temple:		28–23	19–13	* Departed Temple for Baylor before bowl game
Baylor Bears (Big 12 Conference) (2017–2019)
2017	Baylor	1–11	1–8	9th
2018	Baylor	7–6	4–5	T–5th	W Texas
2019	Baylor	11–3	8–1	2nd	L Sugar†
Baylor:		19–20	13–14
Total:		47–43

 

And our own example.....Hayden Fry

 

 

North Texas State Mean Green (Missouri Valley Conference) (1973–1974)
1973	North Texas State	5–5–1	5–1	T–1st
1974	North Texas State	2–7–2	1–3–2	6th
North Texas State Mean Green (NCAA Division I/I-A independent) (1975–1978)
1975	North Texas State	7–4
1976	North Texas State	7–4
1977	North Texas State	10–1				16
1978	North Texas State	9–2
North Texas State:		40–23–3	6–4–2
Iowa Hawkeyes (Big Ten Conference) (1979–1998)
1979	Iowa	5–6	4–4	5th
1980	Iowa	4–7	4–4	4th
1981	Iowa	8–4	6–2	T–1st	L Rose	15	18
1982	Iowa	8–4	6–2	3rd	W Peach
1983	Iowa	9–3	7–2	3rd	L Gator	14	14
1984	Iowa	8–4–1	5–3–1	T–4th	W Freedom	15	16
1985	Iowa	10–2	7–1	1st	L Rose	9	10
1986	Iowa	9–3	5–3	T–3rd	W Holiday	15	16
1987	Iowa	10–3	6–2	T–2nd	W Holiday	16	16
1988	Iowa	6–4–3	4–1–3	4th	L Peach
1989	Iowa	5–6	3–5	T–6th
1990	Iowa	8–4	6–2	T–1st	L Rose	16	18
1991	Iowa	10–1–1	7–1	2nd	T Holiday	10	10
1992	Iowa	5–7	4–4	5th
1993	Iowa	6–6	3–5	8th	L Alamo
1994	Iowa	5–5–1	3–4–1	7th
1995	Iowa	8–4	4–4	6th	W Sun	22	25
1996	Iowa	9–3	6–2	T–3rd	W Alamo	18	18
1997	Iowa	7–5	4–4	T–6th	L Sun
1998	Iowa	3–8	2–6	T–7th
Iowa:		143–89–6	96–61–5
Total:		232–178–10

Hayden had Iowa in the Rose Bowl within three years of taking over as Head Coach. Iowa's last appearance before that was 1959. 

Even Corkey Nelson had us winning a SLC conference championship in his second year 1983.

 

As I said above, I am very skeptical of SL turning things around.

 

[untjim1995]

4 hours ago, SilverEagle said:

You are much more generous than me. "Down the corridor of years"  I've observed that if a coach is going to "turn things around", they will do so in the first two or three years. For example(s)

 

Lane Kiffin

 

Year	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Bowl/playoffs	Coaches#	AP°
Tennessee Volunteers (Southeastern Conference) (2009)
2009	Tennessee	7–6	4–4	T–2nd (Eastern)	L Chick-Fil-A
Tennessee:		7–6	4–4
USC Trojans (Pac-10/Pac-12 Conference) (2010–2013)
2010	USC	8–5	5–4	T–3rd	‡	‡
2011	USC	10–2	7–2	1st (South) ‡	‡	‡	6
2012	USC	7–6	5–4	T–2nd (South)	L Sun
2013	USC	3–2*	0–2
USC:		28–15	17–12
Florida Atlantic Owls (Conference USA) (2017–2019)
2017	Florida Atlantic	11–3	8–0	1st (East)	W Boca Raton
2018	Florida Atlantic	5–7	3–5	5th (East)
2019	Florida Atlantic	10–3	7–1	1st (East)	Boca Raton**
Florida Atlantic:		26–13	18–6	** Departed Florida Atlantic for Ole Miss before bowl game
Ole Miss Rebels (Southeastern Conference) (2020–present)
2020	Ole Miss	0–0	0–0

 

Matt Rhule

 

Year	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Bowl/playoffs
Temple Owls (American Athletic Conference) (2013–2016)
2013	Temple	2–10	1–7	T–9th
2014	Temple	6–6	4–4	6th
2015	Temple	10–4	7–1	1st (East)	L Boca Raton
2016	Temple	10–3	7–1	1st (East)	Military*
Temple:		28–23	19–13	* Departed Temple for Baylor before bowl game
Baylor Bears (Big 12 Conference) (2017–2019)
2017	Baylor	1–11	1–8	9th
2018	Baylor	7–6	4–5	T–5th	W Texas
2019	Baylor	11–3	8–1	2nd	L Sugar†
Baylor:		19–20	13–14
Total:		47–43

 

And our own example.....Hayden Fry

 

 

North Texas State Mean Green (Missouri Valley Conference) (1973–1974)
1973	North Texas State	5–5–1	5–1	T–1st
1974	North Texas State	2–7–2	1–3–2	6th
North Texas State Mean Green (NCAA Division I/I-A independent) (1975–1978)
1975	North Texas State	7–4
1976	North Texas State	7–4
1977	North Texas State	10–1				16
1978	North Texas State	9–2
North Texas State:		40–23–3	6–4–2
Iowa Hawkeyes (Big Ten Conference) (1979–1998)
1979	Iowa	5–6	4–4	5th
1980	Iowa	4–7	4–4	4th
1981	Iowa	8–4	6–2	T–1st	L Rose	15	18
1982	Iowa	8–4	6–2	3rd	W Peach
1983	Iowa	9–3	7–2	3rd	L Gator	14	14
1984	Iowa	8–4–1	5–3–1	T–4th	W Freedom	15	16
1985	Iowa	10–2	7–1	1st	L Rose	9	10
1986	Iowa	9–3	5–3	T–3rd	W Holiday	15	16
1987	Iowa	10–3	6–2	T–2nd	W Holiday	16	16
1988	Iowa	6–4–3	4–1–3	4th	L Peach
1989	Iowa	5–6	3–5	T–6th
1990	Iowa	8–4	6–2	T–1st	L Rose	16	18
1991	Iowa	10–1–1	7–1	2nd	T Holiday	10	10
1992	Iowa	5–7	4–4	5th
1993	Iowa	6–6	3–5	8th	L Alamo
1994	Iowa	5–5–1	3–4–1	7th
1995	Iowa	8–4	4–4	6th	W Sun	22	25
1996	Iowa	9–3	6–2	T–3rd	W Alamo	18	18
1997	Iowa	7–5	4–4	T–6th	L Sun
1998	Iowa	3–8	2–6	T–7th
Iowa:		143–89–6	96–61–5
Total:		232–178–10

Hayden had Iowa in the Rose Bowl within three years of taking over as Head Coach. Iowa's last appearance before that was 1959. 

Even Corkey Nelson had us winning a SLC conference championship in his second year 1983.

 

As I said above, I am very skeptical of SL turning things around.

 

Frankly, I’ll agree. I fear we have seen the best he could do as a head coach here. Hoping that’s not right, but I can rather easily see him here for 2-3 more years and never getting back to a 9-win season.