New Defensive Coordinator Clint Bowen

[Mean Green Matt]

13 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

I remember him being here and people were upset that he was leaving to head back to KU.  I know he is not one of the flashy names that is on the market, but he is well respected and deserves a chance to implement his system and improve our defense before people start bad mouthing this hire.  KU isn't an easy place to be successful in football but he was on the staff when they did have a few moments of success under Mangino and Mason.  Welcome back to Denton Coach Bowen.

This is kind of what I remember of when he left. I thought people were bummed. 

[TheReal_jayD]

14 minutes ago, p_phelps said:

He gave up 30 points a game when he was here

that 2.5 points better than we were this season. looks like an improvement to me

Edited December 19, 2019 by TheReal_jayD

[Travis]

9 minutes ago, p_phelps said:

He gave up 30 points a game when he was here

I think context is key on that. 

[TheReal_jayD]

He took WKU from worst to 1st in his one season. When he was DC under Willie Taggart.  Dan Mccarney may have not worked out here but he knew defense. I think it speaks volumes that Bowen was his first hire. I have seen the one knock on him is that he has been at Kansas virtually his whole career. He loved his alma mater can anyone blame him. If i was able to make 500 k and work for UNT that next 20 years I would do it.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

Just now, TheReal_jayD said:

that 2.5 points better this season. looks like an improvement to me

 

Just now, TheReal_jayD said:

He took WKU from worst to 1st in his one season. When he was DC under Willie Taggart.  Dan Mccarney may have not worked out here but he knew defense. I think it speaks volumes that Bowen was his first hire. I have seen the one knock on him is that he has been at Kansas virtually his whole career. He loved his alma mater can anyone blame him. If i was able to make 500 k and work for UNT that next 20 years I would do it.

Listen to yourself. SL could steal your girl and slap your mom and you'd be standing there defending his pimp slap technique with an as a matter of fact time. 

[El Paso Eagle]

45 minutes ago, Luigi said:

Go ahead and continue to be a bootlicker who gets excited about going to a bowl game at 5-7 and wonder why we cant get any high 3 star or any 4 or 5 star recruits. 

You're probably shocked that we cant sell out Apogee or break 25k without help from an in-state opponent.

What is with you and the "we"? You are not a UNT fan. I have been following the program for years and will continue to as long as I am able. If supporting Seth makes me a "bootlicker", fine. I prefer to think he is not hiring someone he believes will fail.

[UNT Texas Hooligan]

3 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

He took WKU from worst to 1st in his one season. When he was DC under Willie Taggart.  Dan Mccarney may have not worked out here but he knew defense. I think it speaks volumes that Bowen was his first hire. I have seen the one knock on him is that he has been at Kansas virtually his whole career. He loved his alma mater can anyone blame him. If i was able to make 500 k and work for UNT that next 20 years I would do it.

Any word on bringing Mark Mangino into the fold? There's definitely chemistry between him, Littrell, and Bowen. 

[TheReal_jayD]

Just now, NorthTexasWeLove said:

 

Listen to yourself. SL could steal your girl and slap your mom and you'd be standing there defending his pimp slap technique with an as a matter of fact time. 

and we could go bowling 3 out of 4 years. have back to back top 5 recruiting classes and you would still be finding something to cry about. Who did you want him to hire? What would have satisfied you as a hiring?

[El Paso Eagle]

Just now, TheReal_jayD said:

and we could go bowling 3 out of 4 years. have back to back top 5 recruiting classes and you would still be finding something to cry about. Who did you want him to hire? What would have satisfied you as a hiring?

For a few on here no matter who was hired they would complain.

[TheReal_jayD]

 

 

[TheReal_jayD]

  

On 12/3/2019 at 10:26 AM, TheReal_jayD said:

First off lets looks at the top 5 defenses this last season in conference USA and their current DCS

1. UAB  - David Reeves Previous Jobs UAB DL JSU DL - https://uabsports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/david-reeves/1327
2. WKU -Clayton White Previous Jobs NC State & Connecticut Special Team Coach - https://wkusports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/clayton-white/493
3. Marshall -Brad Lambert Charlotte Head Coach - https://herdzone.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/brad-lambert/434
4. FAU - Glenn Spencer Previous Jobs Charlotte and OSU DC - https://fausports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/glenn-spencer/480
5. Louisiana Tech - Bob Diaco Previous Jobs Defensive analyst Oklahoma Nebraska DC Connecticut HC - https://latechsports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/bob-diaco/496

 

Here is list of guy I like that are currently unemployed. I know before you scoff at the idea of bringing in guys that might have struggled in the Big 12. Lets remember there are not many "successful" Defenses in the Big 12. Also at North Texas we won't be going up against-the likes of  Lincoln Riley, Tom Herman, Matt Rhule, Mike Leach and Art Briles week end and week out.

 

1. MIke Stoops - Former OU DC and Arizona Head Coach- He is currently at Alabama as a Defensive Analyst - https://247sports.com/Coach/Mike-Stoops-157/
2. Ryan Walters- Mizzou Dc and former North Texas CB coach- Currently employed with HC getting fired- https://mutigers.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/ryan-walters/1359
3. David Gibbs - Mizzou Safeties Coach And Former Houston and Texas Tech DC - https://mutigers.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/david-gibbs/1380
4. Todd Orlando (MY PICK) - Former Texas and Houston DC - https://247sports.com/Coach/Todd-Orlando-539/
5. Gene Chizik - Former NC DC and Auburn HC - https://247sports.com/Coach/Gene-Chizik-15/
6. Jeff Koonz - Former North Texas and Ole Miss LB Coach - https://olemisssports.com/news/2019/3/7/football-names-jeff-koonz-linebackers-coach.aspx
7. Barry Odom (My very Close second pick) - Former Memphis DC and Mizzou HC - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Odom

At Least I have been consistent.

[Marty]

Welcome back Coach Bowen!

[untjim1995]

1 hour ago, UNT Texas Hooligan said:

He was also defensive coordinator from 2006 to 2008 where KU peaked at 12-1 and won the Orange Bowl, followed by finishing 8-5 the next year and winning the Insight Bowl. He's been around the block on defense (having coached nearly every defensive position) and he and Seth know each other really well. He's not all bad

Bill Young was KU’s DC in that Orange Bowl year. Bowen is not good at coaching up talent. KU was terrible under his lead on defense. And he wasn’t great here, either.

 

[p_phelps]

With the increase in salary I give this hire an F- . Proven bad defenses for several years. He's not even an unknown. We can see it, he's not been a good coach.  The program took a step back today. He's  coached 27 NFL players like that's impressive? He's been a  coach for a P5 for like 25 years.  30 points a game given up last time he was here. Do we think we have more talent than he had at KU? 

Edited December 19, 2019 by p_phelps

[TheReal_jayD]

14 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Bill Young was KU’s DC in that Orange Bowl year. Bowen is not good at coaching up talent. KU was terrible under his lead on defense. And he wasn’t great here, either.

 

Bill Young and Clint Bowen were Co-DCs the Orange Bowl year.

[jtm0097]

We did play good defense when McCarney was here. I don't know how this hire will work out, but we needed a change.

[eulessismore]

12 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

Bill Young and Clint Bowen were Co-DCs the Orange Bowl year.

I saw that on Wikipedia. I guess, looking there (which, admittedly isn't the best place to do research) and a few other places, it's hard to judge at which times he was DC (and DC only). To me, his career path indicates the general inadvisability of loyalty by assistant coaches towards one school. My favorite thing about him, as of these latest readings, is the Kansas JUCO connection.

I would be interested in who he recruited at North Texas. I understand the love for Skladany, but some of his best players were here before he came (and he was never noted for being a recruiter, in fact was considered not to be one by some).

Also, I was reading that his base defense was 4-2-5, and that was considered part of the reason for the Kansas defensive struggles when Les Miles took over and brought in a 3-3-5 guy. All I can say is, give the guy a chance. The worst fault I see is loyalty to his Alma Mater, a love which may have never been returned..

[meangreenJW]

Some people on here are so unrealistic. Who’d you want us to get? 
Let’s talk real names. Barry Odom- ? - he got $1 million at Arkansas, Ryan Walters - ? - Mizzou kept him and he makes close to $1 million, Gibbs -? - staying at Mizzou for $700k. I’ll give 10-1 odds that Orlando ends up making $700k or more somewhere. I have no idea what we’re gonna pay but let’s say it’s $400k which by far is the highest coordinator salary in cusa. Which of you would take 43% less money to do a job? 

So choices are up and comer who’s going to be inexperienced. Or a retread who is experienced but needs a fresh start after being fired. Glenn Spencer at FAU was fired from okie state, diaco fired from UConn. 
 

Seems to me that SL took his time, waited to see who’d be available and hired the best one. Someone that former coworkers obviously thought highly of. Seth’s mentor Mangino has a son on our staff for God sakes so I’ll bet he doesn’t want the staff to be bad and His son be without a job and he speaks highly of him. 
 

I don’t know if Bowen will be good or not. Time will tell. NONE OF YOU know either. 
 

What I do know is everyone screamed like hell for a change. This is a coach with a different philosophy hired by SL who for the 1st time is under immense pressure on a hire so I’m going to give it a chance instead of bitching about a lot of guys we couldn’t afford and had no reasonable shot to get not being hired. 
 

Edit: I also think the Big 12 is the best offensive conference in football and DCs from there have seen way more than most. 

Edited December 19, 2019 by meangreenJW

[GrandGreen]

Yes, his defenses at times were really bad; but it is hardly like he had a lot of talent at his disposal. 

Look forward to seeing what he can accomplish at NT. 

[Side Show Joe]

I'm not overjoyed by this hire. In Bowen's one season at UNT his defense allowed 30 points a game. And, he wasn't successful as Kansas' DC either, and was demoted after the 2018 season. I guess we just have to hope he has improved. Hopefully Littrell does better hiring an OC, because right now I'm not buying our defense being any better next season.

Grade for the hire: C-

 

[vpackrats]

I'll just wait to see what the results are.  We can't judge a hire on Day Zero.  Yeesh.  Some of you would likely be complaining if SL hired Wade Phillips as DC.

[RiseUNT]

Was he part of team that won a bowl game?

[NorthTexasWeLove]

4 hours ago, TheReal_jayD said:

and we could go bowling 3 out of 4 years. have back to back top 5 recruiting classes and you would still be finding something to cry about. Who did you want him to hire? What would have satisfied you as a hiring?

Not a proven bad DC. That would have satisfied me. 

An unknown would've been better than a retread who has a proven track record of being pedestrian at best. 

[GreenBacker]

I’m ok with the hire.  I just hope he’s got connections to a couple of Kansas JUCO D Lineman that can come in for next year.  

[RiseUNT]

4 minutes ago, GreenBacker said:

I’m ok with the hire.  I just hope he’s got connections to a couple of Kansas JUCO D Lineman that can come in for next year.  

No