CFN Mid-season Head Coach Rankings

letsgiveacheer · October 21, 2019

This was from last week prior to our game with MTSU. Perhaps he has risen since then!

https://collegefootballnews.com/2019/10/college-football-news-midseason-head-coach-rankings-1-130/2

110. Seth Littrell, North Texas (2-4)

Best Win: North Texas 45, UTSA 3
Worst Loss: Southern Miss 45, North Texas 27
Midseason Thought: The Mean Green were supposed to have the offense to keep up the pace and make up for the absence of a solid defense … nope. It’s going to be a battle just to go bowling.

Edited October 21, 2019 by letsgiveacheer

RBP79 · October 21, 2019

Guess this ranking takes a lot of shine off Seth.....at least at this point we don't have to worry he'll be going anywhere.

UNT Texas Hooligan · October 21, 2019

14 minutes ago, RBP79 said:

Guess this ranking takes a lot of shine off Seth.....at least at this point we don't have to worry he'll be going anywhere.

Blessing or a curse?

Texas Stranger · October 21, 2019

1 hour ago, UNT Texas Hooligan said:

Blessing or a curse?

Depends on who/if he hires as DC next season.

Pavlovs Eagle · October 21, 2019

1 hour ago, Texas Stranger said:

Depends on who/if he hires as DC next season.

LOLOL at anyone but Troy Reffertt being in Denton next season.

Mean Green 93-98 · October 21, 2019

2 minutes ago, Pavlovs Eagle said:

LOLOL at anyone but Troy Reffertt being in Denton next season.

Just FYI, there is only one R in "Reffett."

Cerebus · October 21, 2019

3 hours ago, UNT Texas Hooligan said:

Blessing or a curse?

Blessing if he and his staff continues to recruit well. Mac's staff didn't recruit great at the end. Outside a couple of players (like Fine and Bussey) SL's first two classes were not good.

SL's last two classes have been very good, they are just Fr and RS Fr right now, but some of them are already making impacts. More will when they become RS Sophomores. Keep feeding that talent pipeline and we will do well.

DeepGreen · October 21, 2019

2 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

Keep feeding that talent pipeline and we will do well.

With more quality and quantity of OL and DL? I sure hope so.

Udomann · October 21, 2019

The future of CFB head coaching ladies and gentlemen....

I want to see the guy succeed. But he's just getting blown out by other coaches and staffs.

Kiffin and baby briles blew by him year one.

UAB blew it straight out the door last year. sure, they had a bunch of old men on the team.

Sonny and the Hyundai boys blew right by this year.

We keep getting told it gets better. It ain't getting better.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Udomann

MeanGreenTexan · October 21, 2019

23 minutes ago, Pavlovs Eagle said:

LOLOL at anyone but Troy Reffertt being in Denton next season.

What do you mean here? Everyone on the coaching staff with the exception of Reffett will be fired? Everyone on the coaching staff with the exception of Reffett will be following Seth Littrell to his new gig at a P5? Something else?

Mean Green 93-98 · October 21, 2019

2 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

What do you mean here? Everyone on the coaching staff with the exception of Reffett will be fired? Everyone on the coaching staff with the exception of Reffett will be following Seth Littrell to his new gig at a P5? Something else?

I'm pretty sure he just means that Reffett will not be fired.

UNT Texas Hooligan · October 21, 2019

59 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

Blessing if he and his staff continues to recruit well. Mac's staff didn't recruit great at the end. Outside a couple of players (like Fine and Bussey) SL's first two classes were not good.

SL's last two classes have been very good, they are just Fr and RS Fr right now, but some of them are already making impacts. More will when they become RS Sophomores. Keep feeding that talent pipeline and we will do well.

Agreed. My main problem with him (and pretty much only) is being loyal to his assistants to a fault. Take KU for example. The offense had gone stagnant after the blow out of Boston College. They fire the OC and with 2 weeks to prepare, the new OC is less than a minute and massive defensive lapses away from upsetting Texas in Austin by putting up 48 and converting a clever 2 point conversion at the end of the game. Les Miles identified the problem and addressed it. I know the situations are different and I know throwing in a new DC at this point probably wouldn't create that much of a difference, but the longer Ref stays on staff is a continually poorer reflection on Seth, imo.

greenminer · October 21, 2019

1 hour ago, Udomann said:

The future of CFB head coaching ladies and gentlemen....

I want to see the guy succeed. But he's just getting blown out by other coaches and staffs.

Kiffin and baby briles blew by him year one.

UAB blew it straight out the door last year. sure, they had a bunch of old men on the team.

Sonny and the Hyundai boys blew right by this year.

We keep getting told it gets better. It ain't getting better.

It’ll be more of the same with Reff’s replacement until we can address the root cause.

Pavlovs Eagle · October 21, 2019

1 hour ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

I'm pretty sure he just means that Reffett will not be fired.

Correct.

1 hour ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

What do you mean here? Everyone on the coaching staff with the exception of Reffett will be fired? Everyone on the coaching staff with the exception of Reffett will be following Seth Littrell to his new gig at a P5? Something else?

Please see @Mean Green 93-98's interpretation above... Thank you for enjoying my cryptic message.

tales from the crypt 1980s GIF

outoftown · October 21, 2019

1. The ranking was neither very good (even before this win I would never have dreamt anybody could have Frank Wilson ahead of SL. Even though I think SL might be overpaid, he isn't nearly as overpaid as Wilson), nor presecient (Lovie Smith was 120th).

2 hours ago, Cerebus said:

Blessing if he and his staff continues to recruit well. Mac's staff didn't recruit great at the end. Outside a couple of players (like Fine and Bussey) SL's first two classes were not good.

SL's last two classes have been very good, they are just Fr and RS Fr right now, but some of them are already making impacts. More will when they become RS Sophomores. Keep feeding that talent pipeline and we will do well.

I wonder however if he will indeed be able to keep the improved recruiting up though. I mean it seems NT put more resources into recruiting and that is part of what pays off. But at the same time, this let-down season cannot be good for recruiting plus NT had just started to be able to beat SMU sometimes on the trail. That latter part isn't gonna happen anymore with how this season is going at both schools.

Edited October 21, 2019 by outoftown

Caw Caw · October 21, 2019

2 hours ago, UNT Texas Hooligan said:

Agreed. My main problem with him (and pretty much only) is being loyal to his assistants to a fault. Take KU for example. The offense had gone stagnant after the blow out of Boston College. They fire the OC and with 2 weeks to prepare, the new OC is less than a minute and massive defensive lapses away from upsetting Texas in Austin by putting up 48 and converting a clever 2 point conversion at the end of the game. Les Miles identified the problem and addressed it. I know the situations are different and I know throwing in a new DC at this point probably wouldn't create that much of a difference, but the longer Ref stays on staff is a continually poorer reflection on Seth, imo.

That same trait for loyalty is why he is still at UNT and hasn't taken one of several offers for greener pastures.

Udomann · October 21, 2019

17 minutes ago, Caw Caw said:

That same trait for loyalty is why he is still at UNT and hasn't taken one of several offers for greener pastures.

Those greener pastures would have fired his ass second year. He got lucky sticking around for a paycheck.

PlummMeanGreen · October 21, 2019

Our UNT fat cat$ have obviously taken to Seth Littrell enough to invest big bucks with our Athletic program than ever before & that’s enough for me. They probably see SL’s brief flirtation with KSU as a positive & were probably impressed that his deciding to stay was partly out of loyalty to his (then) assistant coaches.

• These SuperStarSupporters of North Texas are successful because they knew who & what to invest serious monies with thru the decades & would not have with UNT if they thought Littrell was a flake & not a keeper.

Loveless, McNatt (& others) have spent time with our HFC & know what Seth is made of—most of us have not & do not. This forum is mostly all about speculation from all us passionate fans, but none of us will ever pull the trigger to fire anyone at North Texas so that subject should probably go on the backburner.

Gut feeling tells me Coach SL is here for another 4-5 years & during this time I’ll “speculate” that his recruiting takes us to that next level because....I think SL finally has a full house of NCAA FBS venues now to do some high stakes card playing that will aim us toward Top 25 rankings.

If we’re not shooting for Top 25 now, then you younger guys are going to run in place for the next 3-4 decades with this program & then begin to understand what all we older “War Eagles”🙄 have experienced for most of the last 50 or more years. I hope none of you have to go thru any of that.

GMG!

UNTLifer · October 21, 2019

One coach needs to go and it isn't Reffett.

UNT Texas Hooligan · October 21, 2019

18 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

One coach needs to go and it isn't Reffett.

Please explain. Langston? Biagi? Reeder? Jennings? Yellock?

Pavlovs Eagle · October 21, 2019

1 hour ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

Loveless, McNatt (& others) have spent time with our HFC & know what Seth is made of—most of us have not & do not.

Or they're wealthy aging folks who just want their name on a building and their Estate Tax liability to be as close to or below the $11m threshold as possible. I'd rather give a few million to UNT football and take a deduction while I'm living than let the IRS steal from my estate after I kick the bucket.

I tend to think they would have donated either way. It's also more of Wren and the UNT Pres being more effective at getting money from donors (look at the huge University giving increases this year, even without the G Brint contribution) than RV was. Its probably not because Seth woo'ed them with his normal Coach Taylor Friday Night Lights impressions.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Pavlovs Eagle

Udomann · October 21, 2019

12 minutes ago, Pavlovs Eagle said:

Or they're wealthy aging folks who just want their name on a building and their Estate Tax liability to be as close to or below the $11m threshold as possible. I'd rather give a few million to UNT football and take a deduction while I'm living than let the IRS steal from my estate after I kick the bucket.

I tend to think they would have donated either way. It's also more of Wren and the UNT Pres being more effective at getting money from donors (look at the huge University giving increases this year, even without the G Brint contribution) than RV was. Its probably not because Seth woo'ed them with his normal Coach Taylor Friday Night Lights impressions.

I feel like despite anything that has happened, Wren is what is making everything possible. The guy is 110% baller and probably the best thing that happened to UNT athletics. Advertising. Graphic design. Facilities. Promotion. Recognition. Even coaching improvement to a point.

He's where we should invest. Faith in Wren is faith in our programs future

Edited October 21, 2019 by Udomann

El Paso Eagle · October 21, 2019

I hate these type of "look how smart we think we are" stories. Most of the times the person writing these doesn't have a clue to what is going on. Very rare, if ever, does a coach "forget" how to coach from one season to the next. For a large majority of the programs in college football the difference between "the next great thing" and "he sucks" is a break here and there and key players not getting injured.

I might get pissed off, but I have faith in Seth. Hopefully he improves the quality of coaches, just like I want him to improve the quality of recruits. I worry that he might be too loyal and not be willing to cut ties if needed (not every coach is the right fit)

For those of us who have been around for a while we have seen a lot of good and a lot of bad. Not that long ago 6 wins was considered something we hoped to hit every 2 or 3 years. These last couple of years have almost bee too easy. Many started believing that we would start winning 9-10-11 games every year. Have faith in Seth, have faith in Wren. They are building the foundation and hopefully doing it in a way that will be ongoing.