Seth Littrell's Record

TheColonyEagle · October 14, 2019

I made the point in another thread that Littrell has taken advantage of weak OOC schedules and bad conference opponents and he and his agent turned that into a big deal...some took issue with that sentiment. But...this speaks for itself:

So if my math is correct....that means Littrell is 20-6 vs FCS and FBS with losing records.

Mean Green Matt · October 14, 2019

Are those opponent records as of the time we played them or at the end of the year?

TheColonyEagle · October 14, 2019

3 minutes ago, Mean Green Matt said:

Are those opponent records as of the time we played them or at the end of the year?

Either way....it ain't great....

Mean Green Matt · October 14, 2019

2 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:

Either way....it ain't great....

No. But I think those types of stats are much more telling when end of year record is used.

GrandGreen · October 14, 2019

Littrell will be here next year, but NT could terminate him at any time.

His buyout is 30% of his remaining contract. That would amount to about $1.5m at the end of the season. A lot of money, but not undoable, if this program continue its downward projection.

This will not happen, but it could be an option after next year. The buyout then would be approximately a million. His contract runs through June, 2023.

Littrell was an oc with no hc experience. It is likely and certainly possible, that as he gains experience; he will become a significantly better coach particular on the defensive side.

Edited October 14, 2019 by GrandGreen

Mean Green Matt · October 14, 2019

28 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

Littrell will be here next year, but NT could terminate him at any time.

His buyout is 30% of his remaining contract. That would amount to about $1.5m at the end of the season. A lot of money, but not undoable, if this program continue its downward projection.

I could be wrong, but I think his price to buy out the contract and our price to buyout the contract are different. Not that that should even be considered at this point.

Salsa_Verde · October 14, 2019

If the players still believe in him they will rally and pull off some wins. If they completely melt down this Saturday is it on the players or are the players trying to tell us something? I hope they rally this weekend 😕

Edited October 14, 2019 by Salsa_Verde

GreenTexan13 · October 14, 2019

1 hour ago, Mean Green Matt said:

Are those opponent records as of the time we played them or at the end of the year?

The last time we won a conference championship was 15 years ago. And we're debating on what our opponents records are during the season to defend our overall record...

TheColonyEagle · October 14, 2019

The green koolaid part of me wants to think that maybe LIttrell has actually out coached his talent level to some degree to this point given how lowly rated his first 3 classes were (Yes...I know that's his responsibility too, that 101st ranked 3rd class is still a head scratcher to me)

But he's not going anywhere for the next couple of years...so my hope is that we will get back on the national stage competing for a conference championship year after next? His 4th class (1st "good" class) will be roughly juniors and the 2020 class (his best yet if they stick) will be sophomores.

But who knows......

Wag Tag · October 14, 2019

Judge him by his first 2 recruiting classes compared to how he is recruiting now. This to me has always dictated the future of a program. The difference is very positive. GMG

Edited October 14, 2019 by Wag Tag

Jonnyeagle · October 14, 2019

Why do we always have to be the place for on the job training or retirement tho?

Mean Green Matt · October 14, 2019

1 hour ago, GreenTexan13 said:

The last time we won a conference championship was 15 years ago. And we're debating on what our opponents records are during the season to defend our overall record...

Was just asking for some additional clarity on a provided stat. Take a deep breath.

Cerebus · October 14, 2019

1 hour ago, Mean Green Matt said:

I could be wrong, but I think his price to buy out the contract and our price to buyout the contract are different. Not that that should even be considered at this point.

You are correct. We owe him every penny if we fire him, and it's way too early to discuss that.

The buyout is the amount he has to pay out to us if he terminates the contract early.

This is all fairly standard and it has been since before we returned to 1a.

sgt206 · October 15, 2019

Didn’t y’all see the video? He said it himself. “This is.....home”.

meanrob · October 15, 2019

I’m not making excuses for SL but how many G5 coaches have a winning record against winning FBS teams? Two? Three?

NT93 · October 15, 2019

3 minutes ago, meanrob said:

I’m not making excuses for SL but how many G5 coaches have a winning record against winning FBS teams? Two? Three?

Probably not many, but surely there are several who are better than 5-15.

TheColonyEagle · October 15, 2019

18 minutes ago, meanrob said:

I’m not making excuses for SL but how many G5 coaches have a winning record against winning FBS teams? Two? Three?

Just like his games vs winning FBS teams. He’s not barely losing with a 9-11 record. He’s getting blown out to the tune of 5-15 vs them.

How many G5 coaches make the money he makes?

Top 10 paid coach in G5. Highest paid in the conference. How many on the top 10 list are 5-15 and have never won their conference?

akriesman · October 15, 2019

7 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

Why do we always have to be the place for on the job training or retirement tho?

Unfortunately, this seems to be true for every G5 school (even Boise). If a coach is hot, he gets snatched up by a P5. Even lower P5 programs lose their HC to the bigger P5's.

So, the G5's are constantly having to recognize unproven HC talent. Then, when a school hits on a keeper, they lose him to another school. This makes it nearly impossible to sustain success at our level.

6 months ago we were all paranoid about losing Seth. Now, some here are seriously questioning his ability. It's too early guys. Give him a break.

FirefightnRick · October 15, 2019

1 hour ago, meanrob said:

I’m not making excuses for SL but how many G5 coaches have a winning record against winning FBS teams? Two? Three?

Just a few coaches off the top of my head I looked up.

Eliah Drinkwitz, App State: 3-0 so far in 2019.

Scott Satterfield, App State: 14-10 between 2014-2018

Scott Frost, UCF: 8-6 from 2016-2017.

Bryan Harsin, Boise St: 31-13 from 2014-present.

Jeff Tedford, Fresno St: 11-8 from 2017-present.

Rocky Long, San Diego St: 21-28 from 2011-present. (not a winning record but better than most over a span of 8 1/2 seasons).

Rick

Edited October 15, 2019 by FirefightnRick

MeanGreenTexan · October 15, 2019

8 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

Just a few coaches off the top of my head I looked up.

Eliah Drinkwitz, App State: 3-0 so far in 2019.

Scott Satterfield, App State: 14-10 between 2014-2018

Scott Frost, UCF: 8-6 from 2016-2017.

Bryan Harsin, Boise St: 31-13 from 2014-present.

Jeff Tedford, Fresno St: 11-8 from 2017-present.

Rocky Long, San Diego St: 21-28 from 2011-present. (not a winning record but better than most over a span of 8 1/2 seasons).

Rick

Tedford is a gift from the Football gods to Fresno St. He is a very very good coach, and wasn't able to do much at the coaching graveyard, Cal... it's like going to Lawrence. You don't go there to win.

Unfortunately, it looks like SMU got the same gift in Dykes.

UNTLifer · October 15, 2019

All this talk about getting rid of SL is ridiculous at this point.

FirefightnRick · October 15, 2019

1 hour ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

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Unfortunately, it looks like SMU got the same gift in Dykes.

Agree. However, no thanks to us Dykes is sitting at 5-6 thru 1 1/2 season’s vs winning programs.

Rick

TheColonyEagle · October 15, 2019

8 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

All this talk about getting rid of SL is ridiculous at this point.

I agree. And I’m not advocating getting rid of him.

But his record speaks for itself. And his agent got UNT to pay.

that’s fine.

But Littrell is making “you don’t go 5-15” money now. So fix it

We showed. Now you show.

MeanGreenTexan · October 15, 2019

Just now, FirefightnRick said:

Agree. However, no thanks to us Dykes is sitting at 5-6 thru 1 1/2 season’s vs winning programs.

Rick

Not sure how he did against winning teams at LATech, but he turned them around quickly, and despite a 5-7 record his first year, wound up with a 22-15 record through 3 years as well prior to Skip getting there.

MeanGreenTexan · October 15, 2019

1 minute ago, TheColonyEagle said:

I agree. And I’m not advocating getting rid of him.

But his record speaks for itself. And his agent got UNT to pay.

that’s fine.

But Littrell is making “you don’t go 5-15” money now. So fix it

We showed. Now you show.

I'm wondering if we've seen the high water mark of Reff's defense already (last year's salty defense was very good!), and he won't be able to replicate it again.

And I do believe there's 1 more piece Littrell needs to send packing as he did with coach Brown last year. But he's a dear friend, so that may not happen... and Littrell's career is going to suffer for it. As in, no more KSU-like offers. Pretty sure everyone in the P5 world is paying attention to what's going on at Arkansas and will not make the same error.