The Sad State of Affairs at SMU post-SWC demise

[PlummMeanGreen]

Just ramblin’, man...

I’ve mellowed out some concerning SMU.  Age they say will do such with most.  I think it has with me (to an extent). • SMU?  Hellsbells! As a youth I once went to an Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl game in the Astrodome & even pulled for SMU! 

Both DFW area school’s fans have done (since the 70’s when I was a student) way too much “my dad is bigger than your dad” along with all the socio-economic & class warfare tommyrot.  (Hey! It’s a private university vs. a pubic university so isn’t that the norm most everywhere in the NCAA)?

➡️ This:  SMU students & fans have yet to recover from the SWC implosion;  that is, of not having UT, TAMU, TTech & Baylor coming to Dallas every other football season with all the fanfare the visitors annually brought to Dallas.  All that was a luxury SMU had for a very long time & a luxury North Texas never had. It is what it is.  Still, in the  eyes of many on the Hilltop we are a reminder to what they no longer have; albeit we know we’re hardly chopped liver. (Didn’t we beat Texas❤️🖤Tech In Lubbock last 2 of 3 times we teed it up)? 

In our society today, some may spend a lifetime trying to get over huge setbacks or loss & show it in many various ways ranging from being downright childish & immature or (preferably)—merely accepting reality & the cards given them & then choosing the much more mature role of accepting to bloom where planted.  

The annual SMU vs North Texas shootout is just one game on each school’s football schedule.  Yet maybe we of UNT should try more to understand where SMU (& UH to an extent) were during a pretty big chunk of each school’s respective NCAA football history?  That is, to be in such a lofty NCAA football neighborhood  & then to be suddenly forced out of it?   How would any of us Mean Greeners have felt had something similar been snatched from us?  (Yes, the demotion to 1-AA was tough, but not what SMU & UH had to endure).

To bloom where planted really turns out to be the only choice for many non-P5 schools until the NCAA football powers-that-be loosen up their ties & come up with new opportunities for G5’s to move up.  

So without further ramblin’—this Saturday it’s North Texas at SMU.  Can all  our fans & alums put the past behind (since we can’t change it) & fans from both schools go support their players who (for their school) love & play this game that is pretty important to them in this present era so...To SMU & UNT Fans 💙❤️—💚🖤➡️ Your players this Saturday will appreciate your support more than you’d know & sitting in your seats at Gerald J. Ford Stadium will prove your support for each Mustang & Mean Green Eagle. (After all, these are 18-21 year old kids we’re talking about here & if you  think about it—they’ll be the ones laying it all on the field so isn’t this really about them)?

 

GMG!

 

Edited September 6, 2019 by PlummMeanGreen

[ColoradoEagle]

SMU fans always seem very bent on what they can't control. UH and UNT fans embrace what they have, and keep fighting for more. It's why we're trending up and SMU is fighting to hold on. 

Any kind of rivalry aside, I do wish them luck. They just need to show up for SMU football, regardless of who's sitting across from them. When another school like us, UH, Texas Tech, etc comes to their stadium and automatically fills half of it, it's time for some introspection.

Edited September 5, 2019 by ColoradoEagle

[Harry]

14 minutes ago, ColoradoEagle said:

SMU fans always seem very bent on what they can't control. UH and UNT fans embrace what they have, and keep fighting for more. It's why we're trending up and SMU is fighting to hold on. 

Any kind of rivalry aside, I do wish them luck. They just need to show up for SMU football, regardless of who's sitting across from them. When another school like us, UH, Texas Tech, etc comes to their stadium and automatically fills half of it, it's time for some introspection.

Well stated!

[DeepGreen]

34 minutes ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

(Yes, the demotion to 1-AA was tough, but not what SMU & UH had to endure).

Sorry to disagree Plummer, but many of us older fans suffered when NT dropped down a division in 1981(?).  Many of us simply quit following NT football.  Oh, a casual glance at the Sunday paper football scores.  Couple that with poor leadership at the top at NT.  We went through hell during those 1AA years(yes, there were some highs), and to some extent, during the climb back to FBS in 1995.  Again, poor leadership at the top.  We finally have the right mix and the results speak for themselves.

But the bottom line is this:  Screw SMU and UH!!  I don't give a rats ass about those schools and hope we beat and pound the living dog shit out of them!  GO MEAN GREEN!

[PlummMeanGreen]

2 minutes ago, DeepGreen said:

Sorry to disagree Plummer, but many of us older fans suffered when NT dropped down a division in 1981(?).  Many of us simply quit following NT football.  Oh, a casual glance at the Sunday paper football scores.  Couple that with poor leadership at the top at NT.  We went through hell during those 1AA years(yes, there were some highs), and to some extent, during the climb back to FBS in 1995.  Again, poor leadership at the top.  We finally have the right mix and the results speak for themselves.

But the bottom line is this:  Screw SMU and UH!!  I don't give a rats ass about those schools and hope we beat and pound the living dog shit out of them!  GO MEAN GREEN!

Phil, I wish you’d quit beating around the bush & tell us how you really feel about all this!!🙄😆

I agree with most you’ve said, though.  We have had our walk in the “no leadership” wilderness at UNT  & you’ve seen it all about 10 years longer than me.

GMG! 

PS:  Am I still in good stead with your Sicilian  cuz in’ Guido?🥺

[greenjoe]

I think if DeepGreen were to better embrace his true feelings he could confront what is really on his mind.  I think he wishes no good will to Southern Meth.

6 for Heisman

GO MEAN GREEN

[FirefightnRick]

Plummer & Deep are on fire!

 

Rick

[PlummMeanGreen]

Just now, FirefightnRick said:

Plummer & Deep are on fire!

 

Rick

The only thing we have to fear (or...I have to fear) is........DG’s Sicilian cuzzin’, ie, the infamous  🍝 🍕 Guido.  (That feller makes me a bit nervous),   🙄

GMG!

[DeepGreen]

3 minutes ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

The only thing we have to fear (or...I have to fear) is........DG’s Sicilian cuzzin’, ie, the infamous  🍝 🍕 Guido.  (That feller makes me a bit nervous),   🙄

GMG!

Guido didn't live up to "la familia's" expectations and standards.  He is not longer with us.  We now have another member, uh, cousin, that handles that end of the business.   Rocky Marino.

[UNT86]

I hate SMU.

I hate everything about them.

I wish them nothing but failure in the worst possible way in everything they try.

I wish this for them every day until the end of time.

Edited September 5, 2019 by UNT86

[trud1966]

Don't get me wrong, I hate SMU more than George Dunham does....And I remember all too well when SMU came crashing down.   By that time I was at UNT and bleeding green.    But in my teenage years, yeah - I was on board with the entire Pony Express campaign.   It was a huge draw in town, alot of excitement....Honestly, now when I see "Pony Excess" on ESPN 30 for 30, I really do kinda say to myself "geez, enough is enough, it's over...."   And the reason I say that is to Plumm's original post.  If that had happened to UNT, and dragged on for over 30 years, it would start get really old....Some of the players on that team have grandkids now.

My point is, it was a long time ago, and it was a reason for a decline in their program....WAS....What I dont agree with now is when people out there say it's STILL the reason they're not continuously successful, nobody comes to the games, dont get the play with the big boys, whaaa whaaa whaa... When is SMU going to stop using that excuse and take a hard look at their program, attendance, wins, etc and really clean house?  They can bash UNT all they want...And sure, we're not in the Big 12...But we've stayed the course for many years and always keep trying to climb the ladder and improve the program, even with a few steps backwards at times.    Some of us get impatient and always want more, but holy cow, when I think about where we were 20 years ago, compared to now....We're getting there...

Keep climbing....

Edited September 5, 2019 by trud1966

[untjim1995]

There’s no doubt that being a fan at SMU from the 80’s would be the worst “payoff” ever. You literally bought players or supported a program that did in the SWC with a team that was ranked very highly with it’s paid players. You then deservedly got the Death Penalty for 2 years, came back with a roster that looked like a 1-aa squad for the next 5 years, then got left behind by the Big XII. Then, to pour salt all over your self-induced wounds, TCU flies by you and does all it can to never be in a conference with you again, all while having several top 10 finishes. 

Yes, you kept UH as  an instate conference mate. But your stuck at our level of play now. We never got one tenth of one percent of the conference setup SMU has had, and we basically died from that blackballing. Everything we have now has been earned on our own, while everything SMU has was bought and paid for from its SWC existence. Welcome to the other side of the tracks, SMU...you deserve every lost fan, media, and $$$ you have earned since 1986. Suck on that...

[Hunter Green]

But just think boys. We need them around just so we have someone to really hate. Who else is there ?  UTSA? Not near the history we have with smut. We love to hate them. So...

Screw smu and the Peruna they rode in on.

 

Edited September 5, 2019 by Hunter Green

[NorthTexasWeLove]

1 hour ago, UNT86 said:

I hate SMU.

I hate everything about them.

I wish them nothing but failure in the worst possible way in everything they try.

 

[Mean Green 93-98]

Let me get this straight . . . I should feel pity for SMU . . . because they were in the SWC and we weren't . . . in part because they allegedly fought every effort for our admission?  O.K.

I really don't hate them for any other reason than the fact that they're kinda fun to hate.  But I have a hard time feeling sorry for them, especially considering the fact that we've been dealt some pretty tough hands ourselves.

[PlummMeanGreen]

41 minutes ago, trud1966 said:

Don't get me wrong, I hate SMU more than George Dunham does....And I remember all too well when SMU came crashing down.   By that time I was at UNT and bleeding green.    But in my teenage years, yeah - I was on board with the entire Pony Express campaign.   It was a huge draw in town, alot of excitement....Honestly, now when I see "Pony Excess" on ESPN 30 for 30, I really do kinda say to myself "geez, enough is enough, it's over...."   And the reason I say that is to Plumm's original post.  If that had happened to UNT, and dragged on for over 30 years, it would start get really old....Some of the players on that team have grandkids now.

My point is, it was a long time ago, and it was a reason for a decline in their program....WAS....What I dont agree with now is when people out there say it's STILL the reason they're not continuously successful, nobody comes to the games, dont get the play with the big boys, whaaa whaaa whaa... When is SMU going to stop using that excuse and take a hard look at their program, attendance, wins, etc and really clean house?  They can bash UNT all they want...And sure, we're not in the Big 12...But we've stayed the course for many years and always keep trying to climb the ladder and improve the program, even with a few steps backwards at time.    Some of us get impatient and always want more, but holy cow, when I think about where we were 20 years ago, compared to now....We're getting there...

Keep climbing....

Good post!

We’ve all been bashed by some SMU fans & we’ve done our share of bashing back. (Ask Gray Eagle about all that as he’s called for detente between the 2 schools for decades).  

I am glad both schools at whatever level of NCAA purgatory we each reside keep playing each other, though.  For starters it’s  a cheap date—No airline or hotel expenses. It’s an athletic budget breather for both schools. 

People do change, though. Check out SMU football ex  DanFreibergerForHeisman  on Ponyfans.com.  He was one one of our fiercest critics until we beat Arkansas last Fall.  He said he’d never call us “ NTSU” again & he’s stuck to it!😂

GMG!  BEAT SMU!

Edited September 5, 2019 by PlummMeanGreen

[Rudy]

The sad thing is that $mut fans still think they're relevant. 

[untjim1995]

1 hour ago, Rudy said:

The sad thing is that $mut fans still think they're relevant. 

All 30 of them...

[GrandGreen]

1 hour ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

Good post!

We’ve all been bashed by some SMU fans & we’ve done our share of bashing back. (Ask Gray Eagle about all that as he’s called for detente between the 2 schools for decades).  

I am glad both schools at whatever level of NCAA purgatory we each reside keep playing each other, though.  For starters it’s  a cheap date—No airline or hotel expenses. It’s an athletic budget breather for both schools. 

People do change, though. Check out SMU football ex  DanFreibergerForHeisman  on Ponyfans.com.  He was one one of our fiercest critics until we beat Arkansas last Fall.  He said he’d never call us “ NTSU” again & he’s stuck to it!😂

GMG!  BEAT SMU!

I think today, every D1 team stays in a hotel before games home or away.   Another way to throw away money.    

[TheColonyEagle]

2 hours ago, trud1966 said:

Don't get me wrong, I hate SMU more than George Dunham does....And I remember all too well when SMU came crashing down.   By that time I was at UNT and bleeding green.    But in my teenage years, yeah - I was on board with the entire Pony Express campaign.   It was a huge draw in town, alot of excitement....Honestly, now when I see "Pony Excess" on ESPN 30 for 30, I really do kinda say to myself "geez, enough is enough, it's over...."   And the reason I say that is to Plumm's original post.  If that had happened to UNT, and dragged on for over 30 years, it would start get really old....Some of the players on that team have grandkids now.

I hear you....but the problem I have is how many SMU fans still hold on to that early 80s run as something to be proud of. If UNT had done something like that...I would be embarrassed...I sure wouldn't use it as some sort of proof that our program is better than anyone else's. Because if  you remove that part of their history....they have NEVER done anything. Their total existence revolves around being in the same conference at UT. Unless you want to go back to Doak Walker? Oh man....the 1940's great.

They're actually pretty sad if you truly think about it.

[Rudy]

6 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

All 30 of them...

It used to be 35 fans

[Philip Ferguson]

[vpackrats]

9 hours ago, Hunter Green said:

But just think boys. We need them around just so we have someone to really hate. Who else is there ?  UTSA? Not near the history we have with smut. We love to hate them. So...

Screw smu and the Peruna they rode in on.

 

So with your comment about how we love to hate them, I totally thought of this classic Erasure tune from my days at UNT.  Ah, good ol' Rick's Place, Otay's, etc.  Maybe this should be the theme for the week?  haha

 

[MrAlien]

Growing up in Dallas in the 1980s, SMU had a very large role in the Dallas sports scene, next to the Dallas cowboys they were the big sports team in the city.  SMU had multiple generations of fans in Dallas, SMU dominated the Dallas sports media, everyone in the city cheered for them even if they were not connected to the university.  

However, they played with fire and burnt the house down, and that cost them their entire fan base outside of the university.  

 

[RBP79]

My problem with Smut is their continued arrogance toward UNT and even a couple teams in their own conference. They live in a fantasy world. Money can buy a lot but it can't buy respect and fanfare they seem to want so badly. 

Their only claim to fame was they got caught CHEATING and received "The Death Penalty" from the NCAA and it was deserved. Since the mid 1980's what football championships have they won without cheating? I know they won a couple of division championships In CUSA but no conference title.

Talk about gloating.....