Just goes to show

[emmitt01]

Winning football games Trumps integrity.

 

 

[Harry]

 

[DeepGreen]

Hide your young women, Mt Vernon.

No politics on the football board emmitt01.

Edited May 25, 2019 by DeepGreen

[RiseUNT]

Honest question here. 

Should he change careers or just retire?

No second chances in life?

[greenjoe]

“strong references”  ?

[Moobs]

What could go wrong here? 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

This kind of stooping should never take place on the high school level. It's not a bottom line business in large part at this level. 

[greenminer]

I live in a universe where Art Briles got picked over other applicants on the HS level. The board approved this, unanimously.

[southsideguy]

you are forgetting it was not his fault, he didn't know, yada, yada, yada.😯.  

 

I was wondering if there was an Mt Vernon college somewhere.  The high school did not enter my mind.  Bad hire by the high school.  Is Dave Bliss coaching there also?

[EagleMBA]

13 hours ago, greenjoe said:

“strong references”  ?

When I saw that quote, the word "smelling" came to mind.

[El Paso Eagle]

Please remind me, what was Briles convicted of? Seems more and more we live in a time of Guilty unless proven innocent. 

Don't get me wrong, I don't care for the man, but as a society, we are getting to the point where we want to be the judge and jury and pass sentences on what someone should be able to do the rest of their lives.

I guess a lot of you on here are very careful of the shows, movies, music, and professional sports you watch and listen to since so many in those industries have been accused of crimes. 

[NT93]

13 hours ago, Moobs said:

What could go wrong here? 

Not a Briles fan and not defending him because I know he didn't have control of his program, but I don't think he was accused of any sexual assaults.  Also, I doubt he's going to be recruiting any bad characters to Mt. Vernon, so I think the women and children will be safe.

He's gone from head coach at a Big 12 school to head coach at a 3A school.  He was making upwards of $4 million a year now he's making probably around $60K.  Not to mention his reputation is obviously shot.  Plus, he's 63 years old so I doubt this is a stepping stone to getting back to a major college job.  He's paid a hefty price for his "crimes" and rightfully so.

The sad part and the hypocrisy is that Mt. Vernon will probably have greater attendance numbers at their football games next year than any 3A school in Texas.  

[outoftown]

Luckily there is less (not necessarily none though) recruiting going on at the high school level. I wonder if the punishment to have to go back to the high school ranks is accurate, and likelyit is not. But I can kind of live with it, as I am sure he feels the loss of renome acutely. Still I would seriously hope that Mt. Vernon keeps a very attentive eye on its football programs (read not just the players) demeanor off the field at all times.

That said, if I were on the board at a high school, I probably would have said let some other school take that man on. Even if he is succesful on thefield, hiring him is not a message I would want to have to explain to the Moms and girls and media in my school district.

Edited May 25, 2019 by outoftown

[jtm0097]

My former high school played against Mount Vernon. We were a diverse school, and they were not. When they played this past year, I heard their players were using racial slurs against my high schools players. The game was so chippy that they had a post game meeting between the refs and coaches from each team. The head coach before Art  literally left for a job 15 mins down the road at Winnsboro. I have heard Mount Vernon is like any small town from East Texas.  The school board is full of “good ole boys”. There are people from Mount Vernon defending this hire on the East Texas sports forum. They are trying to argue that he had a clean record at Stephenville, and he didn’t get charged with any crimes. I’m glad I moved away from back woods East Texas.

Edited May 25, 2019 by jtm0097

[FirefightnRick]

Just goes to show that people still believe in second chances, as they should.

 

Rick

[Matt from A700]

Fell from P5 to 2A football. Damn.

Edited May 26, 2019 by Matt from A700

[meangreenlax]

Why does he deserve a second chance? Baylor paid this dude $15m just for the pleasure of firing him. I’ll save my pity for the destitute. 

[UNTLifer]

3 hours ago, meangreenlax said:

Why does he deserve a second chance? Baylor paid this dude $15m just for the pleasure of firing him. I’ll save my pity for the destitute. 

Hope you never screw up or get treated as a scapegoat, covering all bases here, and want a second chance. 

[meangreenlax]

44 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Hope you never screw up or get treated as a scapegoat, covering all bases here, and want a second chance. 

He was the head coach of that team. He was ultimately responsible for his player's actions on and off the field. If he was ignorant to the institutional failures that led to the misconduct, he was either dumb, or willfully negligent. Let's not treat these guys with kid gloves.

[NT93]

On ‎5‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 12:41 PM, jtm0097 said:

 The head coach before Art  literally left for a job 15 mins down the road at Winnsboro. 

You do realize the coach that left and went to Winnsboro is a Winnsboro graduate.  You try to paint it as though he wanted out of Mt. Vernon because its a bad place when you don't know why he left.  As far as some of the things you "heard,"  he may have some of the same issues because Mt. Vernon is in fact more diverse than Winnsboro (though I don't think anyone would describe either town as "diverse.")

[jtm0097]

7 minutes ago, NT93 said:

You do realize the coach that left and went to Winnsboro is a Winnsboro graduate.  You try to paint it as though he wanted out of Mt. Vernon because its a bad place when you don't know why he left.  As far as some of the things you "heard,"  he may have some of the same issues because Mt. Vernon is in fact more diverse than Winnsboro (though I don't think anyone would describe either town as "diverse.")

You do realize I don’t live in East Texas anymore? Most of the stuff that I have heard are from people that coach in East Texas very close to Mount Vernon. 

[NT93]

53 minutes ago, jtm0097 said:

You do realize I don’t live in East Texas anymore? Most of the stuff that I have heard are from people that coach in East Texas very close to Mount Vernon. 

Yes, I do.  You stated it in your first post and it's in your profile to the left of your posts.  I believe you live in Lewisville now.    

[Aquila_Viridis]

Well if he can make it a year or two without any of their poor girls having trouble, Liberty will be prepared to offer him $5 million per year.

[UNTLifer]

10 hours ago, meangreenlax said:

He was the head coach of that team. He was ultimately responsible for his player's actions on and off the field. If he was ignorant to the institutional failures that led to the misconduct, he was either dumb, or willfully negligent. Let's not treat these guys with kid gloves.

I understand your feelings 100%, but I have some friends that have been heavily involved with Baylor for years that claim he was a scapegoat to the higher ups in the Baylor administration.  Basically, he took the fall to cover the asses of people above him.  Look, I despise Baylor with every fiber of my being, but if this is true, then he does deserve a second chance somewhere.  Would I take him at North Texas, absolutely not, but if what my friends tell me is true, then I believe he deserves a second chance.  He didn't move on to another college or move in to pro ball like some of the assistants on his staff including his son, he is starting over at a small nondescript school in east Texas. That is why I made the comment about "covering all of my bases."  

[MeanGreenTexan]

7 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

I understand your feelings 100%, but I have some friends that have been heavily involved with Baylor for years that claim he was a scapegoat to the higher ups in the Baylor administration.  Basically, he took the fall to cover the asses of people above him.  Look, I despise Baylor with every fiber of my being, but if this is true, then he does deserve a second chance somewhere.  Would I take him at North Texas, absolutely not, but if what my friends tell me is true, then I believe he deserves a second chance.  He didn't move on to another college or move in to pro ball like some of the assistants on his staff including his son, he is starting over at a small nondescript school in east Texas. That is why I made the comment about "covering all of my bases."  

He was in a long line of people with knowledge of the situations that ‘passed the buck’ up the chain rather than nipping it in the bud.  

Of course when the punishments come, they’re going to cascade back down.  Don’t want to be a “scapegoat”?  Don’t let it get by you.  He & Mount Vernon deserve each other.