UCF is mad at USF over its scheduling philosophy, and it’s great

Harry · May 21, 2019

UCF is leading a crusade against the college football elite, but none of the people they’re supposedly leading seem to know or care. And it’s kind of difficult to lead a crusade if no one’s following you.

As part of their quest for a seat at the big boy’s table, UCF AD Danny White has insisted on only scheduling home-and-home series with Power 5 programs. It’s been somewhat successful, as the Knights got North Carolina, Pitt and Louisville to agree to home-and-homes, plus a one-off home game with Stanford on Sept. 14 of this season. The Knights would love to get Florida’s Big 3 programs — Florida, Florida State, Miami — on their future schedules, but White has been unwilling to bend on his principles, refusing to schedule a 2-for-1 series or to play UCF’s home game at Orlando’s Citrus Bowl Stadium rather than UCF’s on-campus Spectrum Stadium.

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UNTLifer · May 21, 2019

P6

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NorthTexasWeLove · May 21, 2019

ALL "G5s" need to get in line with UCF. It's in each and every "G5" programs interest to follow this model. They NEED us to fill their schedule. The cellar dwellers of the "G5" NEED these games as well. But the fans of programs like Florida, OK, OSU, etc. will not stand for having 2-3 UMASS/Akron/UTEP type games on their home slate every year; especially with decreasing attendance numbers. Get in line with UCF and hold firm. They ("P5") will eventually cave, it's inevitable.

97and03 · May 21, 2019

It is the same philosophy we have and it is paying off.

ntmeangreen11 · May 22, 2019

Everytime I read "P6" coming out of one of the AAC schools mouths it makes me laugh.

What a freakin joke.

DeepGreen · May 22, 2019

12 minutes ago, ntmeangreen11 said:

Everytime I read "P6" coming out of one of the AAC schools mouths it makes me laugh.

What a freakin joke.

And if you say “P6” really fast it will sound like piss.

emmitt01 · May 22, 2019

MCMLXXX · May 22, 2019

1 hour ago, CK2 said:

Also UNT is trying to talk shit about the AAC yet won't have a home P5 game until 2027 which will likely get bought out.

So you are saying the PAC 12 is not a P5?

Edited May 22, 2019 by MCMLXXX

untjim1995 · May 22, 2019

What will be interesting is to see how the P5s fix this for their advantage. Right now, they need the G5’s and FCS for guaranteed home games and wins. But that cost is climbing and the games aren’t treated real well with the strength of schedule component.

If I was to guess, the way they will start this up for the future will be to expand the playoff system to 8 teams. Then, they will make multiple losses less painful for making the playoff. What then happens is that everyone plays 9 or 10 conference games. That gives these conferences with their own networks better matchups to showcase.

RiseUNT · May 22, 2019

2 hours ago, CK2 said:

Also UNT is trying to talk shit about the AAC yet won't have a home P5 game until 2027 which will likely get bought out.

So you know UofH is playing at Apogee this year. You said we don't have a home game against power conference. Houston is in AAC. You just admitted AAC is not a power conference.

Thank you for your honesty!

UNTLifer · May 22, 2019

2 hours ago, CK2 said:

Remind me how good CUSAs media contract is...oh wait.

Well at least the CUSA Football championship game was a big draw...oh wait

Well that one bid CUSA got for the NCAA tournament made a deep run...oh wait

Gee, CUSA sure is a great conference and their schools have great crowds at their games! /sarcasm

70 - 14

GreenTexan13 · May 22, 2019

USF is a neutral site game lol. A big P5 gets to go play in a NFL stadium in a big city in Florida. That's a no brainer.. really. You can argue that Orlando and UCF is a big city market, but to me it does not have that stigma of a big bad P5 stepping into the little brother's home stadium.

GreenTexan13 · May 22, 2019

2 hours ago, CK2 said:

Also UNT is trying to talk shit about the AAC yet won't have a home P5 game until 2027 which will likely get bought out.

2022 actually, do research before you talk smack.

NorthTexasWeLove · May 22, 2019

3 hours ago, CK2 said:

Remind me how good CUSAs media contract is...oh wait.

Well at least the CUSA Football championship game was a big draw...oh wait

Well that one bid CUSA got for the NCAA tournament made a deep run...oh wait

Gee, CUSA sure is a great conference and their schools have great crowds at their games! /sarcasm

Before this season, CUSA has had a team advance to the round of 32 the past 4 years in the NCAA tournament.

C-USA went 3-3 last year head to head vs AAC. AAC went 7-12** vs the "P5" and 8-9 vs the OOC "G5".

AAC sent 7 teams bowling last post season and had a 1-6 record. (8-12 bowl record over 3 years)

C-USA sent 6 teams bowling last post season and had a 4-2 record. (12-10 bowl record over 3 years)

AAC had 11 players taken in the 2019 draft. C-USA had 6.

AAC average 2018 attendance 28.9K.

C-USA average 2018 attendance 18.9K

And these attendance figures are dramatically hurt by some horribly supported programs such as WKU, Charlotte, and the F_U's. Our division is a better supported division within CUSA (though UTEP at 14.4K doesn't help) with an average attendance of 20.9k. AAC - West division had an average attendance figure of 24.3K. The AAC's water mark in attendance is being held by 4 of 5 schools from the east division in UCF, USF, Cincy, and ECU. Navy is a "west" division school and is 4th in attendance.

CUSA and AAC isn't as far apart as the sports media and yourself liken them to be. And the MWC conference's overall figures are better than CUSA's and probably just as good as AAC if not better. The differences are minuscule and it's basically splitting hairs. You'll see a clearer picture on 9/28.

But, carry on.

**The wins were against "P5" powers such as Pitt, Maryland, Illinois, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Arizona, and UCLA. These 7 teams had a combined record of...wait for it....26-46. And in the AAC's 12 losses the average margin of defeat was 24 points.

Spare us the P6 bullshit.

MWC -

23.5K average attendance in 2018. Like the AAC, the MWC had 4 teams averaging over 30K a game.

3-2 in 2018 bowl games (Boise game, arguably their best team, was canceled). 11-7 bowl record over 3 years

12-8 vs OOC "G5" programs.

10 MWC players drafted in 2019.

MWC went 3-0 vs the AAC in 2018.

Edited May 22, 2019 by NorthTexasWeLove

drex · May 22, 2019

So, take away SMU's creative home attendance numbers and the conference averages are about the same.

NorthTexasWeLove · May 22, 2019

40 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

What will be interesting is to see how the P5s fix this for their advantage. Right now, they need the G5’s and FCS for guaranteed home games and wins. But that cost is climbing and the games aren’t treated real well with the strength of schedule component.

If I was to guess, the way they will start this up for the future will be to expand the playoff system to 8 teams. Then, they will make multiple losses less painful for making the playoff. What then happens is that everyone plays 9 or 10 conference games. That gives these conferences with their own networks better matchups to showcase.

Another hot take that will definitely be wrong.

It's been pulling teeth to try to get the SEC or the ACC to even consider 9 games. And the Big10 has been talking terms on how to drop back down to 8. Most realistic scenario is that everyone drops back to 8 before everyone will ever be at 10. These "opportunity" games aren't going anywhere. If we and our peeps hold firm like the UCF AD suggests it will all play into our hands.

RiseUNT · May 22, 2019

39 minutes ago, CK2 said:

Let me know when CUSA gets a billion dollar TV deal or airs its games on a channel I can actually find in America

Still not P6

RiseUNT · May 22, 2019

9 minutes ago, CK2 said:

Still cant find your games on TV not that anybody really watches UNT.

I hope you enjoy ESPN+ like the rest of the G5. The quality is pretty good.

golfingomez · May 22, 2019

USF, however, plays in the Tampa Bay Bucs’ Raymond James Stadium, so agreeing to 2-for-1 series with Florid and Miami is a win-win; Gator and ‘Cane fans can fill an otherwise half-empty stadium, giving USF needed revenue and their schools a de facto neutral site game.

There is 0% chance that Canes fans will occupy up a quarter of that stadium, much less "fill" it...

NorthTexasWeLove · May 23, 2019

6 hours ago, CK2 said:

Let me know when CUSA gets a billion dollar TV deal or airs its games on a channel I can actually find in America

Uh huh.

NorthTexasWeLove · May 23, 2019

22 hours ago, drex said:

So, take away SMU's creative home attendance numbers and the conference averages are about the same.

Not just SMU's, but also Tulane's and Tulsa's. All 3 of them claimed they averaged in the 17-19K per game range in 2018. As we all know, these private school figures are grossly inflated. Not to say that all schools don't inflate, but we know privates do it blatantly. Get those 3 schools to be at least somewhat honest as the publics are somewhat "honest" then the figures would align much closer to the 20.9K average of CUSA-West.

CarmanSandiego · May 23, 2019

18 hours ago, CK2 said:

Still cant find your games on TV not that anybody really watches UNT.

A lot of people like to see UNT play, especially on TV. It is easier to see UNT when it's on TV

NorthTexasWeLove · May 23, 2019

17 hours ago, golfingomez said:

USF, however, plays in the Tampa Bay Bucs’ Raymond James Stadium, so agreeing to 2-for-1 series with Florid and Miami is a win-win; Gator and ‘Cane fans can fill an otherwise half-empty stadium, giving USF needed revenue and their schools a de facto neutral site game.

There is 0% chance that Canes fans will occupy up a quarter of that stadium, much less "fill" it...

Miami rarely fills their own stadium to 50-60% capacity, let a lone one 2 or 3 hours away vs an opponent they deem as inferior.