Frisco Bowl

[Matt from A700]

No surprise here that the Frisco Bowl tonight was sparsely attended to say the least.

[PlummMeanGreen]

10 minutes ago, Matt from A700 said:

No surprise here that the Frisco Bowl tonight was sparsely attended to say the least.

Night game in DFW in December?  Not a promoter’s dream.

[Salsa_Verde]

Imagine how much more money they would make with an expanded playoffs. These bowls are a failing enterprise. 

[Rudy]

Wasn't it raining?  Maybe that had something to do with it?

 

[VideoEagle]

The Frisco Bowl is managed with a smaller crowd in mind. They know they don't have a lot of stadium seats so they work around it. If you notice, they pick teams that aren't likely to bring big crowds. 

Ohio played a great game! 

[untjim1995]

Who wants to watch Ohio U play SDSU on a Wednesday night in December in Frisco?

[TIgreen01]

7 hours ago, Rudy said:

Wasn't it raining?  Maybe that had something to do with it?

 

Virtually no traveling fans, though.  If you had traveled in from Ohio or San Diego (granted, why would you?!) would a light drizzle stop you from attending?  No.

[Moobs]

2 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

Who wants to watch Ohio U play SDSU on a Wednesday night in December in Frisco?

I would have gone just because I live near the stadium, like college football and picked Ohio in my bowl pool.  But I looked all day and couldn't find tickets for less than $50 each after fees.  I probably would have gone if I could get in for half that price.

Edited December 20, 2018 by Moobs

[wardly]

Larger crowd than the New Mexico Bowl.

[MeanGreenDan]

1 hour ago, wardly said:

Larger crowd than the New Mexico Bowl.

Nah

[meangreen24]

I went in the rain. Man San Diego State played awful.

[wardly]

On 12/20/2018 at 10:16 AM, FirefightnRick said:

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Rick

There weren't 10,000 t0 12,000 fans in stadium at New Mexico, and while we may disagree on head count I find your response to my estimate juvenile.

Edited December 21, 2018 by SteaminWillieBeamin

[FirefightnRick]

5 hours ago, wardly said:

There weren't 10,000 t0 12,000 fans in stadium at New Mexico, and while we may disagree on head count I find your response to my estimate juvenile.

First off...no one in this thread claimed there were 10,000-12,000 at NM. The reported attendance for the Frisco Bowl was 11,000 or so, not New Mexico. But most everyone here understands that that number is tickets sold/handed out, not a head count.   But your so quick to criticize the N.M. Bowl (for god knows why????)....that you don’t even know which bowl and reported attendance your referring to.

And secondly, don’t take it personal but if your going to fabricate the notion that there was more in Frisco than N.M. then expect to be called on it.  

Frisco...

New Mexico

 

 

Rick

Edited December 21, 2018 by FirefightnRick

[Quoner]

FFR wins this battle hands down. Consider that your...

 

Frisclosure, baby!

[wardly]

New Mexico Bowl holds 36,000, announced attendance 25,000, actual number between 1 and 25,000. Frisco Bowl said they had 11,000, which if true would be about my estimate of New Mexico Bowl. Since Frisco Bowl only holds 18,000, I just assumed that the announced number might be correct. My mistake.Either way, not much support with butts in the seats for either one.
 

[TheTastyGreek]

1 hour ago, Quoner said:

FFR wins this battle hands down. Consider that your...

 

Frisclosure, baby!

It's not rocket science or frisclopen-heart surgery.

Put two long distance middling fan bases together, and it's a recipe for an empty stadium. Pictures tell the tale. 

[FirefightnRick]

1 hour ago, wardly said:

My mistake.   Either way, not much support with butts in the seats for either one.
 

Depends on what you define as “much support”.  Regardless, there were still WAAAAAY more butts in seats in New Mexico than in Frisco.  

Considering the distance for both schools’ fans,...62 miles further from Logan than from Denton.......and the short time allowed to plan,....it was better than I imagined it would be for UNT.  I’ve been to other bowls where there were much less.  But for a program like North Texas that’s still sort of new to this going to the post season thing I thought it was a decent turn out.

Just a middle-aged man’s opinion.

Rick

Edited December 20, 2018 by FirefightnRick

[wardly]

My bad. I just assumed that both teams would be required to buy a total of 9,000 tickers, which is half the capacity, similar to the requirement of New Mexico Bowl. I just couldn't believe that the Frisco Bowl couldn't sell another 3-4,000, so assumed the announced attendance of 11,000 was butts in the seat. One again, to assume is to make an ass out of me. For that I apologize.The only reason I ever broached the subject of attendance in Albuquerque is my concern as to how can UNT continue to lose money by participating in these second tier bowls. We had to eat the cost of 8,500 tickets, plus cost of team,band,dancers, cheerleaders,etc. To me the big picture is football for 2nd tier programs is a failing business model. Overall, attendance is down for college football, and t,v, revenues for UNT are basically non existent. Coaching and administrative costs are skyrocketing, travel costs increasing, and for us football is becoming a gate revenue sport.In the real world when expenses continue to rise  and revenues decline you have a business that is on life support at best.While I realize that collegiate sports seen to be exempt from normal business practices, at what point do you pay the piper?

[Cerebus]

We don't lose money on the bowl. Why do you think there is a bowl payout? Yes in CUSA we all bundle the bowl money together, but the first thing it is used for is to cover costs.

[wardly]

Is there enough to cover costs?

[Cerebus]

1 hour ago, wardly said:

Is there enough to cover costs?

New Mexico bowl payout was $1M.  

[UNTexas]

On 12/20/2018 at 1:51 PM, FirefightnRick said:

First off...no one in this thread claimed there were 10,000-12,000 at NM. The reported attendance for the Frisco Bowl was 11,000 or so, not New Mexico. But most everyone here understands that that number is tickets sold/handed out, not a head count.   But your so quick to criticize the N.M. Bowl (for god knows why????)....that you don’t even know which bowl and reported attendance your referring to.

And secondly, don’t take it personal but if your going to fabricate the notion that there was more in Frisco than N.M. then expect to be called on it.  

Frisco...

New Mexico

 

 

Rick

So your illustration shows we brought the band and a nearby Utah State brought a few fans. Ok. I was at the Frisco bowl and sitting on the pressbox side where everyone else was. You could walk under that area to get out of the rain.

All I really saw out of NM was our team get embarrassed by a classless Utah State team in front of an empty old stadium.

Either way, pretty stupid argument. Both had lousy attendance and responding by cursing is sophomoric at best. 

Edited December 22, 2018 by UNTexas

[wardly]

1 hour ago, Cerebus said:

New Mexico bowl payout was $1M.  

I may be wrong, as I am on a loosing streak, but I think it is $525,000 ,which really surprised me. I guess each team gets that amount, which is in line with your number.

[wardly]

Well, guess I am wrong again. In  2017/2018  CUSA grossed $18.5 million from bowl payouts with institutional expenses of $5 million, for gross payout of $13.5 million. I must tell you I am having a hard time believing the numbers, but there they are. Think I will log out  next yea.as my Christmas gift.Happy holidays to all.

[UNTLifer]

2 hours ago, UNTexas said:

So your illustration shows we brought the band and a nearby Utah State brought a few fans. Ok. I was at the Frisco bowl and sitting on the pressbox side where everyone else was. You could walk under that area to get out of the rain.

All I really saw out of NM was our team get embarrassed by a classless Utah State team in front of an empty old stadium.

Either way, pretty stupid argument. Both had lousy attendance and responding by cursing is sophomoric at best. 

I would say the second picture showed we brought quit a few fans. What this thread tells me is that some of our fans will complain about any and every thing.