Perspective...

meangreanmick · November 25, 2018

3 hours ago, RBP79 said:

My question to all would be, "where do you want to be in 5 years or more. Stay where we're at or keep moving up the food chain"?

Now that’s a legitimate question. I think our goal should be to move up on conferences in 4-5 years. P5 is not going to happen, but MWC or AAC are possible. Or, if there is major shakeup again and a new higher tier G5 forms, we need to be ready for that.

I think we are doing what we must to position for those things: record setting fund raising, record setting attendance, winning on the field, recruiting better, paying salaries that draw legitimate coaches for where we want to be in the future. All of these bars have to continue to be raised for the next 5 years to get there.

NorthTexasWeLove · November 25, 2018

2 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

Wait.....so now your upset over our quality of wins?

Rick

Problem...there are no quality wins to be had. Even if we beat a 10-2 WKU in the CUSA Champ game in 2020...No. One. Will. Give. 1. Shit.

FirefightnRick · November 25, 2018

28 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Problem...there are no quality wins to be had.

There were......had SMU and FAU won and gone bowling?l. But your one of the fans that hooray’s it that SMU is sitting at home this year..

So which is it? Hooray!!!!!! that SMU lost and celebrate our easy SOS????...or boo that SMU lost and cry about our easy SOS?

Rick

Edited November 25, 2018 by FirefightnRick

GrandGreen · November 25, 2018

Some of you seem to believe that NT can pick their conference. CUSA is a big improvement over the Belt despite what ratings state about one sport in one year.

Despite some views, NT is not too good for CUSA. I don't remember NT dominating anything in this league other than woman's soccer.

My main objective to CUSA is it is too widespread and the MWC would be much worse. The only real step up is to a P5 and that will take a major shakeup for there to even be a chance. Look at UH and Central Fla; two much more successful programs that can't make that happen.

NT after many years of doing as little as possible to stay afloat in D1, is actually substantially increasing their investment in the program. That and making good hiring decisions is about all a program can do to elevate their status.

THOR · November 25, 2018

1 hour ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Problem...there are no quality wins to be had. Even if we beat a 10-2 WKU in the CUSA Champ game in 2020...No. One. Will. Give. 1. Shit.

totally disagree...all north texas fans will give a shit and love the hell out of it...it's our team, our success, i enjoy every bit of it...sorry you don't

NorthTexasWeLove · November 25, 2018

15 minutes ago, THOR said:

totally disagree...all north texas fans will give a shit and love the hell out of it...it's our team, our success, i enjoy every bit of it...sorry you don't

No one outside UNT. I'll try to be more specific moving forward.

Like no one will care about mtsu beating uab this upcoming Saturday for the cusa crown. It doesn't move the needle outside of CUSA campuses. And even then, most students don't really care...Or cusa and many of our HUGE university enrollments and alum base would be cramming into our tiny stadiums across the conference.

FirefightnRick · November 25, 2018

21 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

No one outside UNT. I'll try to be more specific moving forward.

Like no one will care about mtsu beating uab this upcoming Saturday for the cusa crown. It doesn't move the needle outside of CUSA campuses. And even then, most students don't really care...Or cusa and many of our HUGE university enrollments and alum base would be cramming into our tiny stadiums across the conference.

What a miserable post. It’s gonna be a looooong offseason for some of us.

Rick

PlummMeanGreen · November 25, 2018

1 hour ago, GrandGreen said:

Some of you seem to believe that NT can pick their conference. CUSA is a big improvement over the Belt despite what ratings state about one sport in one year.

Despite some views, NT is not too good for CUSA. I don't remember NT dominating anything in this league other than woman's soccer.

My main objective to CUSA is it is too widespread and the MWC would be much worse. The only real step up is to a P5 and that will take a major shakeup for there to even be a chance. Look at UH and Central Fla; two much more successful programs that can't make that happen.

NT after many years of doing as little as possible to stay afloat in D1, is actually substantially increasing their investment in the program. That and making good hiring decisions is about all a program can do to elevate their status.

Wasn’t it decided by many on GMG.com after the original CUSA (basically) blended into the AAC that what was left of the present CUSA is what we are now in—a glorified SBC 2.0 with a bunch of 30,000 seat stadiums & start-ups galore?🤢

UH (who I followed closely as a fan since 1960) & before transferring to North Texas in 1972; anyhow UH has not made what I’d call a real oganized effort to get into P5 other than (1) Here we are with our new 40,000 seat stadium & (2) we beat OU at formerly Reliant Stadium so knock yourselves out now & bring us in, P5 group! (Uh, not).

I think only way schools like UH, UNT, BYU & others have a prayer for P5 is to organize & request to go in as group of Indy’s who play each other every season (as Indy’s ) or as an actual conference with some top-notch corporate lawyers that threaten the NCAA, CBS, ABC, ESPN, etc.with a monopoly-breaking lawsuit. Not sure outside of doing something similar to that how any G5 school breaks into the P5 country club (closed) membership.

⁉️ QUESTION IS: What present G5 AD who wants a future as a P5 AD would lead the way in such a venture as the aforementioned? That is why Presidents & their BOR’s would have to lead this parade.

GMG!

Edited November 25, 2018 by PlummMeanGreen

GMG24 · November 25, 2018

1 hour ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

No one outside UNT. I'll try to be more specific moving forward.

Like no one will care about mtsu beating uab this upcoming Saturday for the cusa crown. It doesn't move the needle outside of CUSA campuses. And even then, most students don't really care...Or cusa and many of our HUGE university enrollments and alum base would be cramming into our tiny stadiums across the conference.

Recruits care, and when recruits care and it does matter.....you get better prospects going to your school which makes your team better. Man some of yall really are some sour puss fans and everything is bad. WE WON 9 GAMES, WE DID IT 2 SEASONS IN A ROW. Sure expectations can be high and I am all for it, but holy cow we are 3 years removed from some of the worst football in the country.

ENJOY THIS WHILE IT LASTS!!!

meangreenlax · November 25, 2018

6 hours ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

There are some on this board who actually know their shit from their oatmeal. The ones who don't) need to graduate & go to work for the goverment where they'd most likely be comfortable or........

To work for the government you need to be able to form coherent thoughts so I understand why you’re so bitter.

MattMakesLoans · November 25, 2018

Perspective: Fan expectations outpace reality.

9-3 with wins over SMU & Arkansas is an awesome season! It sucks that we haven't one a "big" game yet, but that's what this upcoming bowl game is about.

Littrell and Company have this squad a step a head of where any other rebuild would be. A normal rebuild would be stop the bleeding in year 1, shoot for .500 in year 2, get to a bowl in year 3.

wardly · November 26, 2018

18 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Because regardless of what kind of success we may or may not have, our program and programs like ours are currently in an unsuatainable format to hold serve for continuing years. The fall of attendance and tv money paired with the rise of salaries and facility costs is not a formula we can maneuver through and hope for sustainability. That's why it matters.

This hits the nail on the head. Plus, I thought merging CUSA WEST with SUN BELT WEST would be a positive for reducing costs and increasing fan interest. I guess the genius who decided to merge Sears with K-Mart thought the same.

RBP79 · November 26, 2018

I don't know the answer to conference affiliation. I like the idea of MWC affiliation but we've tried the western Avenue approach before, Big West, and it didn't work out. Plus I was able to attend 2 away games this year and doubt I could go west to see MWC away games. Not a easy solution.

PlummMeanGreen · November 26, 2018

1 hour ago, meangreenlax said:

To work for the government you need to be able to form coherent thoughts so I understand why you’re so bitter.

Would you know coherent if it bit you in the ass, smart ass?

meangreenlax · November 26, 2018

Just now, PlummMeanGreen said:

Would you know coherent if it bit you in the ass, smart ass?

Yes. It’s exactly the opposite of anything you comment.

PlummMeanGreen · November 26, 2018

2 minutes ago, meangreenlax said:

Yes. It’s exactly the opposite of anything you comment.

Go to Hell, RedFlake.

NorthTexasWeLove · November 26, 2018

4 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

What a miserable post. It’s gonna be a looooong offseason for some of us.

Rick

Yes, it's miserable. I agree. Only because it's true. ESPN will be cringing for 3 hours on Saturday while our conference's CHAMPIONSHIP GAME is aired, and rightfully so. It's only a matter of time until that carpet is ripped out from under us too. We'll be Facebook streaming an FBS conference championship game in the very near future and no one seems to care. Just want to argue with the reality of it it seems.

GrandGreen · November 26, 2018

Obviously perspective is different for every fan.

For some of you, apparently nothing means anything unless NT is in the national championship picture and even than would find something to moan about. To expect that kind of results on any G5's budget is definitely lacking perspective.

NT overall coaching staff is outstanding. Littrell is the best coach since Hayden Fry was on the sidelines. IMO, McCasland is also better than any coach NT has had in MBB in again about 50 years. Mitchell doesn't have the numbers yet, but she is the best WBB coach NT has ever had with the exception of Aston's one year. The other sports for the most part are also very well coached.

There is no sane person that can argue that Baker is not the best AD ever at NT. NT is competitive in every secondary sport and has plus CUSA level programs in volleyball, tennis, men's cross country, men's golf and soccer.

The sports that have been behind include for the most part track and field, softball, and swimming. Track and field has been without a suitable venue and that is currently being solved. Softball has a brand new coach with an outstanding record. I don't think swimming is going to be competitive until a better facility is available.

Most of the above, is not perception it is fact. Teams can always be better, but it is a great time to be a NT fan.

PlummMeanGreen · November 26, 2018

16 hours ago, meangreenlax said:

meangreenlax, my utmost apology. Totally uncalled for on my part.

We are both passionate about the right school, though, and that is a given.

"For North Texas, North Texas, we love."

Happy Holidays.

GMG!

untjim1995 · November 26, 2018

I have said this many times that independence will be back in vogue after the Big XII goes away and the private schools with money will look at the BYU model to look and see if they can make this work as a way to be “included” still as a power team. Same thing could happen for your bigger AAC and MWC programs.

Back in the day, UH, Louisville, Cincy, Miami, FSU, Penn State, Pitt, South Carolina, Syracuse, and Boston college were all football independents along with Notre Dame. Today, it’s basically just ND and BYU at that level.

As with all things, it’ll come down to budgets and spending. I’d love to think we could figure out a way to do it, but it’d be a very different path forward.

One thing is certain—the Power leagues aren’t expanding anytime. They’ll get smaller. Teams like UH, UCF, USF, Memphis, Boise State, and Cincy have already seen that they cannot do anything to make the Power leagues take them in. Those schools have made it clear they aren’t sharing the money from their network deals any more. Louisville got the last spot on the gravy train.

FirefightnRick · November 26, 2018

I disagree Jim.

The independents are Army, Norte Dame, BYU, UMass, Liberty and New Mexico St

Notre Dam and Army are the only teams to finish with a winning record, 12-0 and 9-2.

BYU finished at 6-6, and until I looked it up I had no idea what BYU’s Record was. That is because unlike Notre Dame they do not have a major network in their back pocket to showcase them. And they have no conference affiliation either.

So until they money whip a better record or buy national media to hype themselves they’ll remain nearly invisible.

Worst decision ever by them to go Indy IMO.

Rick

Edited November 26, 2018 by FirefightnRick

NorthTexasWeLove · November 26, 2018

11 minutes ago, FirefightnRick said:

I disagree Jim.

The independents are Army, Norte Dame, BYU, UMass, Liberty and New Mexico St

Notre Dame is the only team to finish with a winning record, 12-0.

BYU finished at 6-6, and until I looked it up I had no idea what BYU’s Record was. That is because unlike Notre Dame they do not have a major network in their back pocket to showcase them. And they have no conference affiliation either.

So until they money whip a better record or buy national media to hype themselves they’ll remain nearly invisible.

Worst decision ever by them to go Indy IMO.

Rick

They were on national tv 2 nights ago vs a top25 team.

Once BYU get a back to 8 and 9 wins you will see them more because they dictate their schedule and will be marquee games once THEY get better. Their schedule is great. Next year they host Utah, USC, Washington, and Boise while traveling to Tennessee, Toledo, USF, and SDSU.

FirefightnRick · November 26, 2018

1 minute ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

They were on national tv 2 nights ago vs a top25 team.

Good to know because it wasn’t on the three tv’s that we’re on where I was at. And if they are hosting that home schedule then they obviously have the money to money whip themselves into the spot light.

They can afford it. Most schools can’t.

Rick

NorthTexasWeLove · November 26, 2018

7 minutes ago, FirefightnRick said:

Good to know because it wasn’t on the three tv’s that we’re on where I was at. And if they are hosting that home schedule then they obviously have the money to money whip themselves into the spot light.

They can afford it. Most schools can’t.

Rick

No..it's nothing to do with money. They aren't paying those schools a dime. And if they were still a MWC team they wouldn't have the room to make this schedule or the prowess to bring in some of those names. They made an executive decision to pull out of the MWC when they had a great coach in Mendenhall at the helm and never looked back. It was a GOOD decision and they are now kinda grouped into that P5 group because of the timing of their MWC withdraw, paired with timely success, and a great AD pulling the right scheduling strings in the background.

FirefightnRick · November 26, 2018

52 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

No..it's nothing to do with money. They aren't paying those schools a dime. And if they were still a MWC team they wouldn't have the room to make this schedule or the prowess to bring in some of those names. They made an executive decision to pull out of the MWC when they had a great coach in Mendenhall at the helm and never looked back. It was a GOOD decision and they are now kinda grouped into that P5 group because of the timing of their MWC withdraw, paired with timely success, and a great AD pulling the right scheduling strings in the background.

I guess if having to play the likes of McNeese St, Liberty, Idaho St or North Alabama just to get to 6-6 and a chance at some hardware every year is your thing..... then yeah....that’s a fantastic approach.

Rick

Edited November 26, 2018 by FirefightnRick