Where the Blame Actually Lies

Censored by Laurie · November 11, 2018

its with all of you.

you. and you. and your mom. and with me. and definitely with you. so many of you asshats yell about personal responsibility and then never take an ounce of it in your own lives.

you built the expectations. this team goes 4-0 and everyone starts dreaming of going undefeated and top 25s and national publicity...because the only reason any of you care about the results are so you can go into our shitty jobs and have a moment of win at the water cooler and respite from your otherwise mundane lives.

this team was never great. it was and is a good football team with flaws. and good teams win games they shouldn't and lose games they should not have. it's seriously as if none of you have ever watched sports.

this program has been horrible for a decade. we start to get even a modicum of respectability and competitive football and the lot of you fall over yourselves to by the #1 worst fan...claim you're done with the program...complain publicly about how much you spent (more self-importance)...

success and improvement are not linear. everyone should be disappointed, but try and have some semblance of perspective.

meangreenlax · November 11, 2018

Oh ffs, quit the sanctimonious bullshit. 7-2 teams should not lose to 2-7 teams.

Censored by Laurie · November 11, 2018

and...I hope everyone of these stupid effing downvotes is matched by a comment.

@NT91 please try using complete sentences and punctuation.

Censored by Laurie · November 11, 2018

1 minute ago, meangreenlax said:

Oh ffs, quit the sanctimonious bullshit. 7-2 teams should not lose to 2-7 teams.

and yet it happens...to every team in every sport at some point.

I promise you UNT Lax Bros lost to some other lesser group of all white Lax Bros.

MeanGreenTexan · November 11, 2018

-1 not from me.

I felt like we were the superior team VS LATech, we just shot ourselves in the foot & lost. No big deal, keep moving.

UAB proved we were not the best team in the West. THEY shot us in the foot. No problem, finish strong & win our bowl.

Today, against a 2-win team with nothing to play for... to jump out to a 28pt lead, & then hand the game over (you’re correct, it was a collective effort by team & coaches (except Bussey, what more can he give?)), we swallowed a grenade.

We’re going bowling, and that’s great, but as of now, I really am concerned we’re not going to even compete in a bowl game.

Side Show Joe · November 11, 2018

9 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

its with all of you.

you. and you. and your mom. and with me. and definitely with you. so many of you asshats yell about personal responsibility and then never take an ounce of it in your own lives.

you built the expectations. this team goes 4-0 and everyone starts dreaming of going undefeated and top 25s and national publicity...because the only reason any of you care about the results are so you can go into our shitty jobs and have a moment of win at the water cooler and respite from your otherwise mundane lives.

this team was never great. it was and is a good football team with flaws. and good teams win games they shouldn't and lose games they should not have. it's seriously as if none of you have ever watched sports.

this program has been horrible for a decade. we start to get even a modicum of respectability and competitive football and the lot of you fall over yourselves to by the #1 worst fan...claim you're done with the program...complain publicly about how much you spent (more self-importance)...

success and improvement are not linear. everyone should be disappointed, but try and have some semblance of perspective.

I wish there were a way to give you a minus 34 points (one for every point ODU scored after we had a 28 point lead).

Side Show Joe · November 11, 2018

1 minute ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

-1 not from me.

I felt like we were the superior team VS LATech, we just shot ourselves in the foot & lost. No big deal, keep moving.

UAB proved we were not the best team in the West. THEY shot us in the foot. No problem, finish strong & win our bowl.

Today, against a 2-win team with nothing to play for... to jump out to a 28pt lead, & then hand the game over (you’re correct, it was a collective effort by team & coaches (except Bussey, what more can he give?)), we swallowed a grenade.

We’re going bowling, and that’s great, but as of now, I really am concerned we’re not going to even compete in a bowl game.

Bingo!

Censored by Laurie · November 11, 2018

Just now, MeanGreenTexan said:

-1 not from me.

I felt like we were the superior team VS LATech, we just shot ourselves in the foot & lost. No big deal, keep moving.

UAB proved we were not the best team in the West. THEY shot us in the foot. No problem, finish strong & win our bowl.

Today, against a 2-win team with nothing to play for... to jump out to a 28pt lead, & then hand the game over (you’re correct, it was a collective effort by team & coaches (except Bussey, what more can he give?)), we swallowed a grenade.

We’re going bowling, and that’s great, but as of now, I really am concerned we’re not going to even compete in a bowl game.

sure. and like I said, we should be disappointed.

but to say you're purposely changing plans to support your alma mater and this team...this team that has already won more in 2.5 years than in nearly the entire decade prior...is just stupid.

and I've been reading a whole lot of stupid.

Censored by Laurie · November 11, 2018

3 minutes ago, Side Show Joe said:

I wish there were a way to give you a minus 34 points (one for every point ODU scored after we had a 28 point lead).

wait...so a team can score points after we score?

it's like a sports miracle happened right in front of you. I've never heard of that happening.

Green P1 · November 11, 2018

Quit being logical and start threatening to burn your piece of paper.

Did McCarney or Dodge ever give up a 28 pt lead?

Ill I’ll hang up and listen.

Wag Tag · November 11, 2018

This is Seth’s worst lost! Character is suppose to define this team and lack of it helped us loose that game! GMG

TIgreen01 · November 11, 2018

Nice try. That loss is on Littrell. Kick the field goal and we don't lose.

Especially concerning after listening to him talking to Fine about little momentum swings on Beyond the Green. He single handedly swung the momentum away from his own team.

TheNewEra · November 11, 2018

Lol this could be the worst post I’ve ever seen on here and I’ve seen some bad ones. Who do you think you are? High and mighty acting best UNT fan of all time post.

Mean Green Fan4Life · November 11, 2018

25 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

its with all of you.

you. and you. and your mom. and with me. and definitely with you. so many of you asshats yell about personal responsibility and then never take an ounce of it in your own lives.

you built the expectations. this team goes 4-0 and everyone starts dreaming of going undefeated and top 25s and national publicity...because the only reason any of you care about the results are so you can go into our shitty jobs and have a moment of win at the water cooler and respite from your otherwise mundane lives.

this team was never great. it was and is a good football team with flaws. and good teams win games they shouldn't and lose games they should not have. it's seriously as if none of you have ever watched sports.

this program has been horrible for a decade. we start to get even a modicum of respectability and competitive football and the lot of you fall over yourselves to by the #1 worst fan...claim you're done with the program...complain publicly about how much you spent (more self-importance)...

success and improvement are not linear. everyone should be disappointed, but try and have some semblance of perspective.

Suggesting that the fans are at fault for the failures of this team is ridiculous. Why are you getting upset that our fans are reacting negatively to today's failure? Would you prefer apathy? Because that's what most of us have experienced that have been around North Texas football during the last 3-4 decades. I, for one, welcome a display of passion from our fans! They have a right to be upset. That's what is expected when your team has winning expectations. As someone that has followed since the early 80's, I can remember many years when expectations were to win a game.

Edited November 11, 2018 by Mean Green Fan4Life

Censored by Laurie · November 11, 2018

-10 on the original post and only (potentially) 3 of you have bothered to make a post.

and I've had people try to fight me and tell me to drown. new denton is soft.

NorthTexan95 · November 11, 2018

10 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

-1 not from me.

I felt like we were the superior team VS LATech, we just shot ourselves in the foot & lost. No big deal, keep moving.

UAB proved we were not the best team in the West. THEY shot us in the foot. No problem, finish strong & win our bowl.

Today, against a 2-win team with nothing to play for... to jump out to a 28pt lead, & then hand the game over (you’re correct, it was a collective effort by team & coaches (except Bussey, what more can he give?)), we swallowed a grenade.

We’re going bowling, and that’s great, but as of now, I really am concerned we’re not going to even compete in a bowl game.

Well said. I completely agree.

TheNewEra · November 11, 2018

1 minute ago, Censored by Laurie said:

-10 on the original post and only (potentially) 3 of you have bothered to make a post.

and I've had people try to fight me and tell me to drown. new denton is soft.

I would gladly love to punch you in the mouth but you are still one of our own, gotta save my anger for UTSA fans.

Side Show Joe · November 11, 2018

Just now, Censored by Laurie said:

wait...so a team can score points after we score?

it's like a sports miracle happened right in front of you. I've never heard of that happening.

A 2-7 team shut us down after we posted 28 straight points. That is completely unacceptable and why fans, even many long time fans, are hopping mad. Just so you know, I've been a regular at home games for around 20 years. I was there for the lean years. Even as bad as we were, I never recall the Mean Green surrendering a 28 point lead to a team that was worse then us. If you can, please post it.

What makes the problem even worse is that our coach makes comments like "there were no adjustments to make" and "For what ever reason, we've just got to be better."

meangreenlax · November 11, 2018

13 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

and yet it happens...to every team in every sport at some point.

I promise you UNT Lax Bros lost to some other lesser group of all white Lax Bros.

You don't know anything about my ethnicity or class so how about you keep this focused on the issue at hand.

22 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

success and improvement are not linear. everyone should be disappointed, but try and have some semblance of perspective.

Going back to your original set of points, you're correct. Success and improvement are not linear. In order to have success and improve you need to learn from your mistakes and grow from them. This team and coaching staff has shown no ability to do so over the past few seasons. They win when its easy.

Censored by Laurie · November 11, 2018

1 minute ago, Mean Green Fan4Life said:

Suggesting that the fans are at fault for the failures of this team is ridiculous. Why are you getting upset that our fans are reacting negatively to today's failure? Would you prefer apathy? Because that's what most of us have experienced that have been around North Texas football during the last 4-5 decades. I, for one, welcome a display of passion from our fans! They have a right to be upset. That's what is expected when your team has winning expectations. As someone that has followed since the early 80's, I can remember many years when expectations were to win a game.

not suggesting the fans are at fault for anything but building the team up for more than it ever was and then threatening (almost certainly an empty threat) to stop supporting the team because they fell short of the expectations they themselves built.

and "passion" is what leads half these people to their first domestic assault charge. I'd rather have "reason"

Censored by Laurie · November 11, 2018

1 minute ago, Censored by Laurie said:

and "passion" is what leads half these people to their first domestic assault charge.

3 minutes ago, TheNewEra said:

I would gladly love to punch you in the mouth but you are still one of our own, gotta save my anger for UTSA fans.

see.

at least Dodge made good husbands and fathers.

Green P1 · November 11, 2018

13 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

-10 on the original post and only (potentially) 3 of you have bothered to make a post.

and I've had people try to fight me and tell me to drown. new denton is soft.

To be fair... your SMUG ass shoulda just drowned.

Edited November 11, 2018 by Green P1

NorthTexasWeLove · November 11, 2018

ODU sucks. We suck more. This is a momentum stopping type loss given the nature of the loss and the opponent. You're attempting to band aid a gaping hole.

However, I didn't downvote you because I don't care. But my support of this university and program will not waiver. Just my trust and confidence of this staff.

oldguystudent · November 11, 2018

I came into this game under Todd Dodge. I met you one time and we enjoyed craft beer together. This post is out of line.

outoftown · November 11, 2018

31 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

and "passion" is what leads half these people to their first domestic assault charge. I'd rather have "reason"

Many folks understand that passion without reason is a serious problem. Fewer folks seem to grasp the reason without passion is often just as bad.

Hope is a dangerous thing. This could have been a special season. It turns out that the team was actually better last season in some ways than it is this season, and that is actually mostly on in-game coaching.. NT pays its head coach 1.4 million to do this. You cannot have people have genuine hope without then also have negative feelings between dissapointment and anger when the hope does not get fullfilled. The bigger the hope is, the worse that reaction has to be, otherwise the hope was never real. In a relationship with a partner disappointment may be better than anger. Here anger is better, as disappointement is likely to have people actually not come back.

The way you write you never had hope it could be a special season instead of this offensive regression, as you always expected NT would just get kicked in the guts somewhere. If that is the case, then I feel a good piece of pity for you for not experiencing that emotional richness that comes with it.

If on the other hand you don't think there is some regression going on that is a sign of larger problems or if you can't see that said regression isn't transitory, then we have simply not been watching the same games the last 5 weeks. The problem is real and recurring, and there are no signs of it getting better, all 3 losses have some very obvious similarities in the way they came about.

Edited November 11, 2018 by outoftown