Multiple clues suggest Texas may be stifling voter registration

[Skipper]

Last week it was announced that thousands of citizens who registered to vote through vote.org, a third-party, nonprofit voter registration website, may not actually be eligible to vote. The organization

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[UNTLifer]

Misleading headline.  People that don't follow the rules or don't want to put forth the effort to find out how the system works in advance and looking for someone to blame.

[UNTLifer]

Nobody that downvotes ever gives a rebuttal.  The voter registration system, just like the immigration system, worked fine forever until someone didn't folllw the rules.  Instead of following the rules, they want the entire system changed.  Typical of today.

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

I'll give you a rebuttal, but you ignore most reasoning when it comes to things like this. 

You lack empathy on nearly all topics. It is an amazing trait.  

Vote.org is a well known organization and well trusted to make the process more attainable for the common working person. There is no way that a person can know ALL the rules of registration legalities. Some "wet signature" requirement is absurd and how could anyone predict that term/law/rule exists? I have never heard of it. That is why Vote.org and other sites like it try to make the process easier.

But your lack of empathy makes you blame the person who is facing this problem instead of saying "hm, that is stupid. How can that law really exist? We should fix that."

Instead, you think, "People are stupid. They are dumb for making stupid mistakes. They deserve all they get or don't get."  

The headline is clickbait. The contents are solid though. Voting should be easy. It should not have tests and hoops. 

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17 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Nobody that downvotes ever gives a rebuttal.  The voter registration system, just like the immigration system, worked fine forever until someone didn't folllw the rules.  Instead of following the rules, they want the entire system changed.  Typical of today.

forever?

https://americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/did-my-family-really-come-legally-todays-immigration-laws-created-a-new-reality

"the Immigration Service excluded only 1 percent of the 25 million immigrants from Europe who arrived at Ellis Island between 1880 and World War I"
"The Quota Law of 1921 and the Immigration Act of 1924 created a quota system that was based on race and nationality. These laws heavily favored Western European immigrants, while closing the door to “undesirables,” including people from Southern and Eastern European countries.  The 1921 and 1924 laws did not put numerical limits on natives of the Western Hemisphere, including Canada, Mexico, and South America."

you're advocating for bringing back those standards? to stem all this new illegal immigration?

"In 1925, the Immigration Service reported 1.4 million immigrants living in the country illegally. A June 17, 1923, New York Times article reported that W. H. Husband, Commissioner General of Immigration, had been trying for two years “to stem the flow of immigrants from central and southern Europe, Africa and Asia that has been leaking across the borders of Mexico and Canada and through the ports of the east and west coasts.” 

but I bet all these criminals were put in jail or deported, right? 

"The 1929 Registry Act allowed “honest law-abiding alien who may be in the country under some merely technical irregularity” to register as permanent residents for a fee of $20 if they could prove they had lived in the country since 1921 and were of “good moral character.” 

just another example of yearning for the gold old days without a real concept or historical grasp for what they actually were. typical of today"

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[SteaminWillieBeamin]

We should absolutely go back to the good ole days of voting laws working "fine."

Like when you had to have a penis.
Like when you had to have a penis AND be white.
Like when you had to have a penis AND be white AND own land.
 

[Censored by Laurie]

16 minutes ago, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

We should absolutely go back to the good ole days of voting laws working "fine."

Like when you had to have a penis.
Like when you had to have a penis AND be white.
Like when you had to have a penis AND be white AND own land.
 

back to a simpler time of being able to have illegitimate children with your slave marm or round up your local natives and march them to Oklahoma

[greenminer]

Not sure how I feel about going 100% electronic when it comes to citizenship, identity, and voting.  I get it, though.  It's already there when it comes to other critical parts of our lives.

It's interesting to watch what we're willing to do in the name of convenience.  Sometimes we get something that's better, sometimes we don't.

*old man rant below*

How many of you are wigged out at the idea of connecting your house locks/garage door to your wifi/internet?  No thanks to that, I say!

[UNTLifer]

4 hours ago, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

I'll give you a rebuttal, but you ignore most reasoning when it comes to things like this. 

You lack empathy on nearly all topics. It is an amazing trait.  

Vote.org is a well known organization and well trusted to make the process more attainable for the common working person. There is no way that a person can know ALL the rules of registration legalities. Some "wet signature" requirement is absurd and how could anyone predict that term/law/rule exists? I have never heard of it. That is why Vote.org and other sites like it try to make the process easier.

But your lack of empathy makes you blame the person who is facing this problem instead of saying "hm, that is stupid. How can that law really exist? We should fix that."

Instead, you think, "People are stupid. They are dumb for making stupid mistakes. They deserve all they get or don't get."  

The headline is clickbait. The contents are solid though. Voting should be easy. It should not have tests and hoops. 

And these people were alerted and given ten days to correct the error. 

I have empathy towards those that are in need, but you go right ahead and make that comment about someone you have never met nor laid eyes on.  I just want people to follow the rules or go about a legal way of changing the rules to make them better. Breaking the law because you don't like how the law is written is not the way to get things done.   

Of course your second response was to sensationalize the whole thing. My take is that everyone has the right to vote that meets the requirements as stated by law. Everyone that meets these requirements has many opportunities to register and plenty of time. You are correct that I do not have empathy for those that wait until the last minute to register, and then blame the system. Personal responsibility is a lost value. 

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

30 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Personal responsibility is a lost value. 

That's so sensational! 

[UNTLifer]

2 hours ago, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

That's so sensational! 

But sadly the truth. 

[KRAM1]

You know, with all these issues it is just amazing that so many people do find a way to vote.

Let's go back to the "good ole days" when LBJ was able to even get the dead to vote! 

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3 hours ago, KRAM1 said:

You know, with all these issues it is just amazing that so many people do find a way to vote.

Let's go back to the "good ole days" when LBJ was able to even get the dead to vote! 

in the 2016 election, roughly 135.5m people voted...that's from an adult population of approximately 245.5m. that means roughly 45% of those of eligible voting age did not vote. 

I know, I know...they're all lazy and lack personal responsibility.

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https://www.npr.org/2018/10/13/657125819/many-native-ids-wont-be-accepted-at-north-dakota-polling-places

lazy injuns.

[KRAM1]

9 hours ago, Censored by Laurie said:

in the 2016 election, roughly 135.5m people voted...that's from an adult population of approximately 245.5m. that means roughly 45% of those of eligible voting age did not vote. 

I know, I know...they're all lazy and lack personal responsibility.

I am so happy that you have finally acknowledged the major reasons why people do not vote. Good for you.....finally.

😂😂

[Graddean]

We could go back to the Poll Tax.  We should make it easier to register not more difficult.  TheNorth Dakota incident is an obvious attempt to disenfranchise Native Americans on reservations.  Something is wrong when politicians want to keep those who would be qualified from registering.  As someone put on Facebook, if my registration is disallowed, I should not have to pay taxes.  NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.   

[UNTLifer]

On 10/14/2018 at 1:40 AM, Censored by Laurie said:

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/13/657125819/many-native-ids-wont-be-accepted-at-north-dakota-polling-places

lazy injuns.

And a totally different subject all together.  Thanks for playing.

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3 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

And a totally different subject all together.  Thanks for playing.

the inherent lack of work ethic and personal responsibility of the (remaining...surviving) population of the indigenous peoples of North America?

or purposeful voter suppression?

[Hunter Green]

On 10/12/2018 at 2:43 PM, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

We should absolutely go back to the good ole days of voting laws working "fine."

Like when you had to have a penis.
Like when you had to have a penis AND be white.
Like when you had to have a penis AND be white AND own land.
 

Typical liberal argument. Absurd reasoning. How about making sure the process is fair and enforceable for everyone? You're the one who thinks people are too stupid to register to vote. Ridiculous argument.

[Hunter Green]

Heard this morning on WBAP that here were 4 people arrested for engaging in illegal voter registration/fraud.  There was an attempt to find out if they were republican or democrat.  "They" were unable to release that information which tells me they were democrats! If they had been republicans, it would be front page news. However, we all know that this is an age old tactic used by the democratic party. The party of no issues, no respect for the rule of law, the party of mob mentality and the party of socialism. They can't win an election straight up. Only by cheating.

#vetobeto

Edited October 15, 2018 by Hunter Green

[UNTLifer]

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/10/645223716/on-the-sidelines-of-democracy-exploring-why-so-many-americans-dont-vote

The above would outline a number of reasons why people don't vote.  Many did state that they didn't find vote because they didn't have time, didn't think it mattered, felt disconnected, have misconceptions (Trump is a Fascist),  which to me would be a reason to vote, don't like the system, etc...  I just don't get the excuse that it is difficult to register.  Elections occur all the time.  Waiting until the last minute and then getting upset because something didn't work out is not the fault of the system. 

Can the system be improved?  Absolutely, but change it lawfully.  That is the point I may not have made clear earlier.

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3 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Can the system be improved?  Absolutely

and I think that is the point you seem to be missing...that all laws and "improvements", mostly since Shelby Co v Holder, have been made not just with the aim of making more difficult the process but specifically limiting particular voices...as in the article I posted above (that for whatever reason you determined was immaterial to this conversation) that enacted laws aimed directly at North Dakota's Native American population. and this isn't a registration issue...this can adversely affect already registered voters...a law change and ID requirement different even from this year's primary elections:

"This week, the Supreme Court declined to overturn North Dakota's controversial voter ID law, which requires residents to show identification with a current street address. A P.O. box does not qualify.

Many Native American reservations, however, do not use physical street addresses. Native Americans are also overrepresented in the homeless population, according to the Urban Institute. As a result, Native residents often use P.O. boxes for their mailing addresses and may rely on tribal identification that doesn't list an address.

Those IDs used to be accepted at polling places — including in this year's primary election — but will not be valid for the general election. And that decision became final less than a month before Election Day, after years of confusing court battles and alterations to the requirements."

[UNTLifer]

It wasn't the article, it was your comment, "lazy injuns," which smacks of the all too predictable "smart-assery."

Edited October 16, 2018 by UNTLifer

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14 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

It wasn't the article, it was your comment, "lazy injuns," which smacks of the all too predictable "smart-assery."

so you didn't think the inherent lack of work ethic and personal responsibility of the (remaining...surviving) population of the indigenous peoples of North America was pertinent to the conversation?

it's 100% true...just not pertinent, is what you're saying?

[UNTLifer]

Nope.  Not even close to what I was referring to so you can stop putting words in my mouth and twisting this story.  The article you referenced regarding the Native Americans in North Dakota has nothing to do with my original point.