Seth Littrell Rumors Mega Thread

[Cerebus]

1 hour ago, TheReal_jayD said:

 Is now the best time for both parties Seth and UNT to part ways?

No, I would prefer that whoever took over the reins had the best recruiting class we have ever landed to work with.  I know SL is most likely going to continue to win and thus move on, but would much prefer he SIGNS that class first.

A class like that is program changing, can make recruits (and HS coaches) look at a program differently, even if the head coaches change.  

[MGNation92]

Just now, Cerebus said:

No, I would prefer that whoever took over the reins had the best recruiting class we have ever landed to work with.  I know SL is most likely going to continue to win and thus move on, but would much prefer he SIGNS that class first.

A class like that is program changing, can make recruits (and HS coaches) look at a program differently, even if the head coaches change.  

With the current climate, even if Littrell signs the class then bolts, I wouldn't be surprised to see half the class immediately transfer anyways.

 

[TheReal_jayD]

20 minutes ago, Big Z said:

I want up and coming young coaches rather than these recycled coaches. Ones like Seth who are hungry and bring creativeness to the program. Todd Graham would be McCarney 2.0

Dan never hit 10 wins. And had an overall losing record by a Mile. Todd and Dan are polar opposites

[MeanGreenTexan]

8 minutes ago, MGNation92 said:

With the current climate, even if Littrell signs the class then bolts, I wouldn't be surprised to see half the class immediately transfer anyways.

 

December 19th baby!  If we can keep him through then, hopefully we get most of these dudes signed.

Then, it's all about who would remain, if any of these coaches and the relationships they have with their guys.

[MGNation92]

2 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

Dan never hit 10 wins. And had an overall losing record by a Mile. Todd and Dan are polar opposites

Not to mention the fact the Graham would run a similar offense to what we have currently. A few names under his coaching tree(from wikipedia):

• Gus Malzahn: Arkansas State (2012), Auburn (2013–present)
• Chad Morris: SMU (2015–2017), Arkansas (2018–present)
• David Beaty: Kansas (2015–present)
• Mike Norvell: Memphis (2016–present)
• Major Applewhite: Houston (2016–present)
• Jay Norvell: Nevada (2017–present)
• Billy Napier: Louisiana (2018–present)

All of those guys are spread guys. 

[Big Z]

4 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

Dan never hit 10 wins. And had an overall losing record by a Mile. Todd and Dan are polar opposites

Do you really think Todd Graham would stay more than 2 years with UNT?

[MeanGreenTexan]

Just now, Big Z said:

Do you really think Todd Graham would stay more than 2 years with UNT?

Probably Not.   But if he were to continue winning 9+ games/yr would it matter?   
We just find the next guy while the NT brand continues to rise, and we position ourselves to be a VERY NICE piece to add when the next round of conference reshuffling takes place.   Welcome to Boise St. model... except we're in the #4 media market in the nation in the most fertile recruiting grounds in the nation, not stuck on an island in the Rocky Mountains.

[golfingomez]

 

2 minutes ago, Big Z said:

Do you really think Todd Graham would stay more than 2 years with UNT?

plus, do you really want a coach that had 'meh' success in a pretty weak Pac 12 South over the last 6 years?

[Big Z]

Just now, golfingomez said:

 

plus, do you really want a coach that had 'meh' success in a pretty weak Pac 12 South over the last 6 years?

Nope 

[greenminer]

1 hour ago, Big Z said:

I want up and coming young coaches rather than these recycled coaches. Ones like Seth who are hungry and bring creativeness to the program. Todd Graham would be McCarney 2.0

I don't think it's wise to rule someone out just because they're older than 50.

[meangreenlax]

19 hours ago, oldguystudent said:

Reddit reporting Littrell to K-State.

[Big Z]

6 minutes ago, greenminer said:

I don't think it's wise to rule someone out just because they're older than 50.

Yes it is, I mean we are 3/3 on going bowling right now. 

[TheReal_jayD]

29 minutes ago, Big Z said:

Yes it is, I mean we are 3/3 on going bowling right now. 

La Tech is 4 for 4 with 4 wins..

[MGNation92]

Just now, TheReal_jayD said:

La Tech is 4 for 4 with 4 wins..

Lol, but JD, don't you know?

Winning a bowl game is entirely way too much of an expectation to have. We have to be thankful for winning 8 games a year and having nothing to show for it.

[TheReal_jayD]

 before you read this: I am one of the biggest Seth Littrell homers ever and have been that way since day one.  I would hate to see him go as much as anybody. One of the main reasons is it would almost automatically mean that the # 1 Recruiting Class in Conference-USA (according to 247sports) would dissolve in Thanos-like fashion. Also, it would be a gut punch to the momentum and culture Seth and Co. has built from the ground up. That said, with virtually the entire offense returning next season I must pose the following question: Is now the best time for both parties Seth and UNT to part ways?

I know many of you are shaking your head right about now.  Seth has built something here that has rarely been seen in North Texas football’s 100-year history.   Even so, would it not be better to have a new coach in place to hit the ground running next year with what looks like could be a top G5 roster as opposed to 2020 when the cupboard could be bare and you lose your all-conference QB, 2 WR, 2 TE, 2 OL, Hambone, Khari and English on the defensive side?

We know 2 things for sure. North Texas is a much more attractive job today than it was when Seth was hired for several reasons. The coaching compensation has improved, as have the facilities with the indoor practice facility now being built.  Most of all, the roster is miles ahead of where it was after McCarney left. There will be plenty of quality candidates that will apply for the position. And Wren has proven to us with the hiring of Grant Mccasland he is not afraid to go and getting a sitting D1 head coach.  Does Wren go back to Jonesboro and go after their excellent football head coach Blake Anderson? It might be a hard sell since Blake’s hometown is Jonesboro. Or does Wren go a different route and get a proven winner that is a retread? Finally, does he go the Seth route and get a P5 OC and hope he learns on the job as fast as Seth did (I don’t think this happens, I think with this roster you get a guy who has been a head coach before because this roster is ready to win).

If he goes with G5 head coach two names come to mind, Neal Brown at Troy and earlier mentioned Blake Anderson at Arkansas State. I don’t think this happening just due to both are at schools they are winning at and the increase in salary alone will not be enough to justify moving to another G5 school. With Neal you could argue it was a step back if you watched him dismantle us in the New Orleans bowl last year.  Blake would be am even harder sale in my opinion due to the fact Jonesboro is his hometown. He is also struggling this year, so I don’t know how hot of a hire he would be. There could be other options but those are two that come to mind that meet the young, Texas Ties and successful Head criteria that I think will be required. (please comment with your names you would like to see considered).

An option that I think could be considered is hiring a retread along the lines of Sonny Dykes and Skip Holtz when they were hired at SMU and La Tech respectfully. Both had had success at G5 level but were relieved of duties at the jobs they held prior. Skip has turned La Tech into a CUSA contender year in and year out. And he has now won 4 straight bowl games.  Sonny looks like he has turned a corner at SMU after beating a ranked Houston team this weekend. One name that sticks out to me is a DFW local in Todd Graham. He was relieved of his duties at Arizona State and has taken this season off. But he has had great success in his career. In 12 years of being a Head Coach he led his team to bowl games in 10 of the 12 years and winning 5 of the bowl games.  He also has got to the 10-win plateau 5 times in the 12 years. Side note, he has won more C-USA west titles (three) than North Texas (one) has as a program. I think the year away from the game could help. Graham certainly has his critics and it may be that Wren does not have a good personal connection with him.

 

Two names that have been brought up a lot here lately on the board are Colby Carthel (Texas A&M Commerce HC) and Eric Morris (Incarnate Word HC) and they are probably my two favorite choices.  Here’s my question -- why can we not have them both? Now hear me out here. Eric Morris has proven this season he can lead a program as a head coach and can also put up some points. He took over Incarnate Word that won one game last season. He won his 5th game this weekend with 3 games left to play. He has also said that he likes the defense that Colby Carthel coaches as he hired the Texas A & M Commerce Defensive Coordinator after Carthel led the Lions to a National Championship last season.  

Questions have been raised about Carthel making the Jump from D2 all the way to FBS. But questions have never been raised about his ability to coach defense. So, my proposal is to Hire Eric as the HC/OC to replace Seth. Then hire Coach Carthel as the DC/ Coach in waiting so he can get some experience at the FBS level. Because he has proven he and lead and win games. It will also give him a shot to get FBS experience. I think this is doable financially. You are currently paying Seth in the 1.5 million dollar range and Graham 300K+ range. I don’t have the numbers for Eric but I bet he could be got for around 1.2. Colby is making 200k at Commerce so you could easily double his money and have your HC and both coordinators filled with 2 top notch options.

I hope Seth stays for the next 20 Years becomes our Bill Snyder, we rename the stadium, “Seth Littrell Stadium” and we are playing in the new Big 12 with 50k+ in attendance.  The truth is I doubt that happens and the news of the new agent hired by Littrell throws up a lot of red flags for me. I am just saying it would be nice to be ahead of the curve instead being behind. Ill hang up and listen. #GMG

 

Reminder Dirk Koetter started Boise run not Chris Peterson. Life doesn't end after Seth.

Edited November 5, 2018 by TheReal_jayD

[MeanGreenTexan]

5 minutes ago, MGNation92 said:

Lol, but JD, don't you know?

Winning a bowl game is entirely way too much of an expectation to have. We have to be thankful for winning 8 games a year and having nothing to show for it.

Holtz didn't go to a bowl game his first season coaching, and lost 3 of his first 4 bowl games.   He's grown as a HC, just as I'm sure Littrell will.

He would be an awesome hire, but I highly doubt he would make a lateral move for more money.

[Cerebus]

Being a football coach is such an insane career.  So unstable.  People here are talking about hiring Holtz, while half the LaTech board wants him fired.  

[Big Z]

41 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

La Tech is 4 for 4 with 4 wins..

La Tech fan boy 

[greenminer]

I would also add to this, given our history, that we have a staff that's more successful in UNT history because we are affording them more resources than any other staff in our history.  We hired a good coach - possibly a great one -  who brought in the people he wanted, afforded them competitive salaries, and we have an AD that is committed to giving them whatever they want and need.

In short, if we're speaking from just the UNT experience, we should be talking more about how resources impact our success, rather than a coach's age or career path.

EDIT: it is def cray cray how LaTech continues to be competitive considering their resources.

Edited November 5, 2018 by greenminer

[outoftown]

2 hours ago, Big Z said:

Two names that have been brought up a lot here lately on the board are Colby Carthel (Texas A&M Commerce HC) and Eric Morris (Incarnate Word HC) and they are probably my two favorite choices.  Here’s my question -- why can we not have them both? Now hear me out here. Eric Morris has proven this season he can lead a program as a head coach and can also put up some points. He took over Incarnate Word that won one game last season. He won his 5th game this weekend with 3 games left to play. He has also said that he likes the defense that Colby Carthel coaches as he hired the Texas A & M Commerce Defensive Coordinator after Carthel led the Lions to a National Championship last season.  

Questions have been raised about Carthel making the Jump from D2 all the way to FBS. But questions have never been raised about his ability to coach defense. So, my proposal is to Hire Eric as the HC/OC to replace Seth. Then hire Coach Carthel as the DC/ Coach in waiting so he can get some experience at the FBS level. Because he has proven he and lead and win games. It will also give him a shot to get FBS experience. I think this is doable financially. You are currently paying Seth in the 1.5 million dollar range and Graham 300K+ range. I don’t have the numbers for Eric but I bet he could be got for around 1.2. Colby is making 200k at Commerce so you could easily double his money and have your HC and both coordinators filled with 2 top notch options.

 

I like the candidates you are putting up here if SL indeed leaves (not a given in this seasons slow coaching carousel I think).

But I don't think there is any reason to pay Eric Morris 1.2 Million (i.e. more than any C-USA HC other than SL). In my mind that is overpaying for no good reason. His track record to date is not driving his value more than SL had when he arrived. You give him a proper salary in the upper middle of the pack (800 k) and up him if he is successful.

That leaves also more money for the coordinators. Also, depending on how Basketball goes, we might have to up there too. Also it leavees more money for other resources including recruiting budget etc, and as someone else correctly mentioned, part of the current upswing at NT may be that coaches are afforded more resources. But in any case, the assumption that a new HC allows anyone -including the AD- to decide on who he hires as a coordinator is a dangerous one, that can lead to a lot of problems.

p.s. sorry quote is missatributed, should say RealJayD

Edited November 5, 2018 by outoftown

[Big Z]

Just now, greenminer said:

I would also add to this, given our history, that we have a staff that's more successful in UNT history because we are affording them more resources than any other staff in our history.  We hired a good coach - possibly a great one -  who brought in the people he wanted, afforded them competitive salaries, and we have an AD that is committed to giving them whatever they want and need.

In short, if we're speaking from just the UNT experience, we should be talking more about how resources impact our success, rather than a coach's age or career path.

Both young in their now early 40s...

[greenminer]

1 minute ago, Big Z said:

Both young in their now early 40s...

Well, you're allowed to not want coaches that are old.  But I think it's flat wrong to say older coaches can't win.

I can't really respond to you because I'm not sure where you stand between those two statements.

[Big Z]

2 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Well, you're allowed to not want coaches that are old.  But I think it's flat wrong to say older coaches can't win.

I can't really respond to you because I'm not sure where you stand between those two statements.

Didn’t say older coaches can’t win, I said I prefer a young up and coming coach who is hungry. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

3 minutes ago, Big Z said:

Didn’t say older coaches can’t win, I said I prefer a young up and coming coach who is hungry. 

Those guys seem to have more drive to win, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to win.

I don't care how old they are or how hungry they are, if they win, they win.

[agw0038]

What are your thoughts on Briles? 

Did you intentionally leave him out? 

I know the majority of this board is completely against hiring him (I'm on the fence) but wouldn't he be a better option than the ones listed above?