USA Today top 25

MeanGreen_MBA · May 2, 2018

Reading the USA Today sports page...free from my hotel....they published their way to early Top. 25 for 2018

FAU came in at #17

golfingomez · May 2, 2018

Conference USA is moving up!

untjim1995 · May 2, 2018

FAU is legit. Their talent is way up there and Lane Kiffin is the perfect coach for them. They are probably going to be tested twice all season.

I expect that if they don't get mudholed at OU, they could very easily be an 11 win team going into the conference championship game again. If that occurs, they'll be the non-power league team in a BCS Bowl, probably ranked in the top 10 or so.

That state of Florida produces high school talent like Texas used to before it went full 7-on-7 for their HS football. How at least one of Florida, FSU, or Miami aren't in the national championship hunt every year is just a mystery to me. Hell, UCF and USF can get somewhat included in this also. And I don't think FAU or FIU are too far behind them.

Ben Gooding · May 2, 2018

FAU is not getting mudholed at OU. I would not be surprised at all to see FAU compete in that game and maybe even win it.

MeanGreen_MBA · May 2, 2018

27 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

FAU is not getting mudholed at OU. I would not be surprised at all to see FAU compete in that game and maybe even win it.

No doubt. Kiffen is the real deal. They still have the running back that’s should get H-consideration. They size up with the big guys. FAU is for real

greenminer · May 2, 2018

2 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

That state of Florida produces high school talent like Texas used to before it went full 7-on-7 for their HS football.

Could someone explain what this means?

Aldo · May 2, 2018

1 hour ago, greenminer said:

Could someone explain what this means?

Something someone read about once about somewhere specific and now is the excuse for all our troubles

(i don't know)

ChristopherRyanWilkes · May 2, 2018

4 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

FAU is legit. Their talent is way up there and Lane Kiffin is the perfect coach for them. They are probably going to be tested twice all season.

I expect that if they don't get mudholed at OU, they could very easily be an 11 win team going into the conference championship game again. If that occurs, they'll be the non-power league team in a BCS Bowl, probably ranked in the top 10 or so.

That state of Florida produces high school talent like Texas used to before it went full 7-on-7 for their HS football. How at least one of Florida, FSU, or Miami aren't in the national championship hunt every year is just a mystery to me. Hell, UCF and USF can get somewhat included in this also. And I don't think FAU or FIU are too far behind them.

I tend to agree with this. I think it showed in our games against FAU and Troy. Look at similar size disparities between Big 12 Texas teams and the SEC.

ipd054 · May 2, 2018

It is a reference to all air raid offense which is a system is designed out of a shotgun formation with four wide receivers and one running back. The formations are a variation of the run and shoot offense where the guards and tackles of the offensive line and the 4 defensive linemen really do not matter because we are just going to play "7 on 7". It puts an emphasis on getting the ball out instead of imposing your will on the other team.

When you look at the big 12 you see "7 on 7" ball. "7 on 7" puts a ton of yards and points on the scoreboard and is well suited for tv (looks like a video game). While it is fun to watch this on "skilled positions" only the receivers and some well rounded back really translate to Sunday. If you look at the big number guys in college, few make it in the NFL. See the list below FBS passing leaders Out of 32 there are 4-5 that are not on a "7 on 7" team and Philip Rivers, Kevin Kolb, Derek Carr, and Jared Goff are really the only ones who have had some success in the NFL.

(For my HSO on the QB's you will see Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, Luke Falk, and Lamar Jackson get their collective ass handed to them and all but one will be out of the league after their rookie contract)

1	Case Keenum	[[Houston Cougars football\|Houston]] (2007–2011)	19,217
2	Timmy Chang	Hawaii (2000–2004)	17,072
3	Landry Jones	Oklahoma (2009–2012)	16,646
4	Graham Harrell	Texas Tech (2005–2008)	15,793
5	Ty Detmer	BYU (1988–1991)	15,031
6	Kellen Moore	Boise State (2008–2011)	14,667
7	Baker Mayfield	Texas Tech (2013), Oklahoma (2015–2017)	14,607
8	Luke Falk	Washington State (2014–2017)	14,481
9	Colt Brennan	Hawaii (2005–2007)	14,193
10	Rakeem Cato	Marshall (2011–2014)	14,079
11	Mason Rudolph	Oklahoma State (2014–2017)	13,618
12	Sean Mannion	Oregon State (2011–2014)	13,600
13	Philip Rivers	NC State (2000–2003)	13,484
14	Corey Robinson	Troy (2010–2013)	13,477
15	Colt McCoy	Texas (2006–2009)	13,253
16	Aaron Murray	Georgia (2010–2013)	13,166
17	Kevin Kolb	Houston (2003–2006)	12,964
18	Dan LeFevour	Central Michigan (2006–2009)	12,905
19	Cooper Rush	Central Michigan (2013–2016)	12,884
20	Brandon Doughty	Western Kentucky (2011–2015)	12,855
21	Derek Carr	Fresno State (2009–2013)	12,843
22	Tim Rattay	Louisiana Tech (1997–1999)	12,746
23	Ryan Lindley	San Diego State (2008–2011)	12,690
24	Luke McCown	Louisiana Tech (2000–2003)	12,666
25	Chris Redman	Louisville (1996–1999)	12,541
26	Chase Daniel	Missouri (2005–2008)	12,515
27	Trevor Vittatoe	UTEP (2007–2010)	12,439
28	Kliff Kingsbury	Texas Tech (1999–2002)	12,429
29	Matt Barkley	USC (2009–2012)	12,327
30	Jared Goff	California (2013–2015)	12,195
31	Zach Terrell	Western Michigan (2013–2016)	12,100
32	Zac Dysert	Miami (Ohio) (2009–2012)	12,016

ipd054 · May 2, 2018

If you want to read more here is an article about UNT's own Todd Dodge

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/highschool/article/Texas-high-school-football-turns-to-the-spread-6700541.php

In 1980, playing for Port Arthur Jefferson, Dodge achieved the improbable feat of throwing for more than 3,000 yards in a season, averaging an unheard-of 200 yards per game. Coming from the state that brought you the ground-bound wishbone and veer offenses, it had to be just a passing fad - pun intended - didn't it?

These days, 3,000 yards is chicken feed. Almost 50 players statewide surpassed that mark in 2014, and hundreds have done so since Dodge's day. His own son Riley, in fact, twice surpassed the old record while playing for his father at Southlake Carroll in 2006-07.

What was once an anomaly has become the rule of the road in Texas high school football, as fans will see this weekend at the University Interscholastic League title games at NRG Stadium.

Of 20 teams playing over three days, at least 15 run some variation of the spread offense - the generic term for any formation that lines up with the quarterback in shotgun formation, be it with one back, two, or occasionally, none.

Aldo · May 2, 2018

The convo has shifted from HS to college products, but look at all the offensive linemen drafted from spread and air raid offenses

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?position=OL&type=position

I guess while you're at it look at the defensive linemen as well

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?position=DL&type=position

Actually I've lost track of what we're complaining about and how things were better in our respective day so I'm mentally checking out

Edited May 2, 2018 by Aldo

greenminer · May 2, 2018

@ipd054 thanks, but I was really wanting to know more about why the scheme/change has suddenly meant Texas produces less talent.

unt_rocket09 · May 2, 2018

Texas doesn’t produce less talent. That is false.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2697990-ranking-the-10-states-with-the-most-talent-in-college-football-right-now.amp.html

oldguystudent · May 3, 2018

From a little blurb I found from 2016

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A cleveland.com review of opening week rosters found Florida leads with the way with 193 players, based on the place of birth of each player. Second is California with 187, followed by Texas (160), Georgia (97), Ohio (80), Pennsylvania (66) and Louisiana (63).

grossman · May 3, 2018

13 hours ago, greenminer said:

@ipd054 thanks, but I was really wanting to know more about why the scheme/change has suddenly meant Texas produces less talent.

It doesn't....

MeanGreenTexan · May 3, 2018

I think what people are saying is that when you grow up playing spread-style football in Texas, then play the same kind of football if you attend a university in Texas/Oklahoma, it is tough to transition to an NFL Pro-Style offense.

greenminer · May 3, 2018

@MeanGreenTexan ty

Greenrex · May 3, 2018

20 hours ago, ipd054 said:

This looks like the pills I take every morning.

Edited May 3, 2018 by Greenrex

untjim1995 · May 3, 2018

2 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

I think what people are saying is that when you grow up playing spread-style football in Texas, then play the same kind of football if you attend a university in Texas/Oklahoma, it is tough to transition to an NFL Pro-Style offense.

Exactly--its not that hard to see how its hurt the Texas colleges, in general, when playing teams with bigger and better athletes on defense. The kids aren't taught to be physical anymore, especially on defense.

unt_rocket09 · May 3, 2018

17 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Exactly--its not that hard to see how its hurt the Texas colleges, in general, when playing teams with bigger and better athletes on defense. The kids aren't taught to be physical anymore, especially on defense.

100% not true

Aldo · May 3, 2018

26 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

The kids aren't taught to be physical anymore, especially on defense.

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greenminer · May 3, 2018

1 hour ago, untjim1995 said:

Exactly--its not that hard to see how its hurt the Texas colleges, in general, when playing teams with bigger and better athletes on defense. The kids aren't taught to be physical anymore, especially on defense.

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