DRC: Follow-up thoughts on UNT's depth chart

Brett Vito · April 6, 2018

DRC:

http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/mean-green/2018/04/06/follow-thoughts-unts-depth-chart-including-curious-case-bryce-english

UNTLifer · April 9, 2018

Nice article, but I disagree with:

The only way Shanbour plays is if Mason Fine has gotten hurt, at which point UNT would be in big trouble.

We would obviously see a drop in production, but I don't think we would be in "big" trouble. We have more depth and ability at QB than I can ever remember.

MeanGreenTexan · April 9, 2018

7 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Nice article, but I disagree with:

We would obviously see a drop in production, but I don't think we would be in "big" trouble. We have more depth and ability at QB than I can ever remember.

I agree with Vito. If Fine goes down for an extended period (4+ games), we're in "big" trouble.

Ben Gooding · April 9, 2018

I'm not sure what exactly big trouble is, but there would for sure be a dip in production. I think the offense would obviously need to be tweaked a bit to alleviate the QB role of being so large.

A good way to prevent this from happening....Quit doing freaking QB powers with a 180lb QB. I don't know, just food for thought.

UNTLifer · April 9, 2018

4 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

I'm not sure what exactly big trouble is, but there would for sure be a dip in production. I think the offense would obviously need to be tweaked a bit to alleviate the QB role of being so large.

A good way to prevent this from happening....Quit doing freaking QB powers with a 180lb QB. I don't know, just food for thought.

Don't think that is in the play book.

Ben Gooding · April 9, 2018

11 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Don't think that is in the play book.

It indeed is. And ran with relative frequency.

MGNation92 · April 9, 2018

27 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Don't think that is in the play book.

16 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

It indeed is. And ran with relative frequency.

Yeah they did it a bunch against UTSA, and sprinkled throughout the season. A particularly effective formation was them motioning Smith from out wide to almost on the tackle, snapping, have him crack the D-End and pull the tackle. It's a good wrinkle to have, but Fine has to continue to learn to slide/get out of bounds when possible

unt_rocket09 · April 9, 2018

Thats not Power...Power is pulling your guard and kicking out playside end or overhang.

UNTLifer · April 10, 2018

Guess I thought it was a variation or the same type a run as the zone read where he is running outside off tackle. I think of a Power as a run up the middle.

unt_rocket09 · April 10, 2018

Literally just showed y’all what power is lol

TreeFiddy · April 10, 2018

22 minutes ago, unt_rocket09 said:

Literally just showed y’all what power is lol

To be fair, you provided an example of a traditional power play out of the I formation with a fullback and the QB lined up under center. The QB Power ran out of the spread with the QB lined up in shotgun with a single wing back looks quite a bit different.

Ben Gooding · April 10, 2018

11 hours ago, unt_rocket09 said:

Literally just showed y’all what power is lol

It's the same concepts with a slightly different variance intended to have the same outcome.

unt_rocket09 · April 10, 2018

Power is guard pulling backside. That is power. Also known as “G”. You can kick out the end w a WR, Slot or TB it’s still power. Pulling a tackle is not power. That is Dart, counter or GT

unt_rocket09 · April 10, 2018

12 hours ago, TreeFiddy said:

To be fair, you provided an example of a traditional power play out of the I formation with a fullback and the QB lined up under center. The QB Power ran out of the spread with the QB lined up in shotgun with a single wing back looks quite a bit different.

Lol wrong. Power is what the line does. See above post.

TreeFiddy · April 10, 2018

58 minutes ago, unt_rocket09 said:

Lol wrong. Power is what the line does. See above post.

Ah, gotcha. Didn't catch that you were focused on the comment regarding a pulling tackle vs guard. Agreed power involves a pulling guard. I was really focused on the part about not getting our undersized QB killed running QB Power.

I think (maybe?) this is the play that @MGNation92 was referencing, and yes it is a guard that is typically pulled and the TE has the option of who to block.

Ben Gooding · April 10, 2018

1 hour ago, TreeFiddy said:

Ah, gotcha. Didn't catch that you were focused on the comment regarding a pulling tackle vs guard. Agreed power involves a pulling guard. I was really focused on the part about not getting our undersized QB killed running QB Power.

I think (maybe?) this is the play that @MGNation92 was referencing, and yes it is a guard that is typically pulled and the TE has the option of who to block.

Yes...This may not be your granddaddy's power play, but it has the basic principles applied. Florida is here running the play with a 6'3" 245lb fullback playing quarterback. We do it with a 180lb slot playing quarterback. We need far less of this unless the defense just presents itself for an untouched run of this caliber. Otherwise, go full air raid and run your backs with the ball. I'm not against running the QB if the game flow presents itself...Just not like this. It's senseless.

MGNation92 · April 10, 2018

FYI This is the Play I was referencing:

unt_rocket09 · April 10, 2018

The Florida play I would call power or g. That is the Guard pulling and the play side TE kicking out

UNTLifer · April 10, 2018

I guess my response was to the comment, "They did it a bunch against UTSA," and I don't recall Fine running that often.

unt_rocket09 · April 10, 2018

1 hour ago, MGNation92 said:

FYI This is the Play I was referencing:

That looks like its supposed to be buck sweep but the backside guard gets cut off from his pull, basing on the WR crack. Just my opinion

Ben Gooding · April 10, 2018

Yeah, that is not the play I am referring to. I'm actually not afraid of those kind of plays. It gives Fine sliding/avoid contact options. I am talking more so about the shotgun hesitation/draw look Fine presents while the H-back flows over and backside tackle pull. Fine will hesitate and wait for the H-back/TE to kickout and the tackle will lead into the hole. I guess a counter trey of sorts. Fine's option then presents itself to be only tackled by players significantly larger.

unt_rocket09 · April 10, 2018

Probably QB counter but I see what you mean. Him sticking it up w the big boys.

Aldo · April 11, 2018

On 4/10/2018 at 11:41 AM, TreeFiddy said:

I think this may be a counter trey

The inside runs against UTSA toward the end of the game may have been inverted veer or some quick trap play where the backside guard pulls behind the C.

Aldo · April 11, 2018

iirc we had more success with the zone read than with the inverted veer against UTSA

GMG24 · April 13, 2018

On 4/10/2018 at 1:07 PM, MGNation92 said:

FYI This is the Play I was referencing:

If you are able to, slow it down or pause as play develops, we have a hat for a hat and you can't ask for more than that from an OC standpoint. We saw something we liked about QB run game around the goal line that game bc we did it several times.