Things Appear More Than Fine Heading Into Year Three For Junior QB

MGNation92 · February 26, 2018

http://www.meangreensports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/022618aaa.html

DeepGreen · February 26, 2018

Hypothetical scenario. Mason Fine exceeds his 2017 numbers in 2018, and UNT football wins the West again, and possibly the CUSA Championship and a Bowl game. The he does it again his senior year, is it possible for Mason to be considered for the Heisman Trophy?

MeanGreenTexan · February 26, 2018

5 minutes ago, DeepGreen said:

Hypothetical scenario. Mason Fine exceeds his 2017 numbers in 2018, and UNT football wins the West again, and possibly the CUSA Championship and a Bowl game. The he does it again his senior year, is it possible for Mason to be considered for the Heisman Trophy?

Probably not the Heisman since he's a G5 QB, but possibly the Davey O'Brien!

MGNation92 · February 26, 2018

9 minutes ago, DeepGreen said:

Hypothetical scenario. Mason Fine exceeds his 2017 numbers in 2018, and UNT football wins the West again, and possibly the CUSA Championship and a Bowl game. The he does it again his senior year, is it possible for Mason to be considered for the Heisman Trophy?

Maybe if he has 2007 Graham Harrell-esque stats:

5700 Yards passing, 48 TDs, 14 INTs

AND leads UNT to the CFP.

Otherwise no.

Edited February 26, 2018 by MGNation92

DeepGreen · February 26, 2018

Just now, MeanGreenTexan said:

Probably not the Heisman since he's a G5 QB, but possibly the Davey O'Brien!

So a QB has to play for a P5 team to have a shot at the Heisman? I mean, is that a fact?

oldguystudent · February 26, 2018

2 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Probably not the Heisman since he's a G5 QB, but possibly the Davey O'Brien!

Do you think that Fort Worth is going to recognize Denton?

MeanGreenTexan · February 26, 2018

2 minutes ago, DeepGreen said:

So a QB has to play for a P5 team to have a shot at the Heisman? I mean, is that a fact?

Well, I didn't say "Definitely not...." Ty Detmer did it. It can be done. Just not probable.

oldguystudent · February 26, 2018

1 minute ago, DeepGreen said:

So a QB has to play for a P5 team to have a shot at the Heisman? I mean, is that a fact?

Looking at the list of Heisman trophy winners, the last non-P5 was Ty Detmer of BYU in 1990, if you consider BYU G5.

Prior to that, you have to go back to 1958 for Pete Dawkins of Army, if you consider 1950s Army to be non-P5.

Finally, we can go back to 1951 for Dick Kazmaier of Princeton. That was post 1945 when the Ivy League stopped giving athletic scholarships, so I'm going with the last true non-P5 Heisman being some 66 years ago.

greenminer · February 26, 2018

6 minutes ago, DeepGreen said:

So a QB has to play for a P5 team to have a shot at the Heisman? I mean, is that a fact?

Technically, not a rule, but let's just say it's de facto.

MeanGreenTexan · February 26, 2018

21 minutes ago, oldguystudent said:

Looking at the list of Heisman trophy winners, the last non-P5 was Ty Detmer of BYU in 1990, if you consider BYU G5.

Prior to that, you have to go back to 1958 for Pete Dawkins of Army, if you consider 1950s Army to be non-P5.

Finally, we can go back to 1951 for Dick Kazmaier of Princeton. That was post 1945 when the Ivy League stopped giving athletic scholarships, so I'm going with the last true non-P5 Heisman being some 66 years ago.

To take this a little further...

Case Keenum.

Three 5k-yd years with a Senior year of 5631yds/48TDs/5INTs, leading Houston to a 13-1 record and a final ranking of 18.

The Heisman winner that year? RG-III @ 4293yds/37TDs/6INTs. Keenum, with his video game numbers, finished 6th in Heisman voting.

@DeepGreen, you've received wise counsel. Draw your conclusions accordingly.

Edited February 26, 2018 by MeanGreenTexan

DeepGreen · February 26, 2018

9 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

To take this a little further...

Case Keenum.

Three 5k-yd years with a Senior year of 5631yds/48TDs/5INTs, leading Houston to a 13-1 record and a final ranking of 18.

The Heisman winner that year? RG-III @ 4293yds/37TDs/6INTs. Keenum, with his video game numbers, finished 6th in Heisman voting.

@DeepGreen, you've received wise counsel. Draw your conclusions accordingly.

MeanGreenTexan · February 26, 2018

4 minutes ago, DeepGreen said:

RBP79 · February 26, 2018

Perhaps if he starts walking on water???

DeepGreen · February 26, 2018

57 minutes ago, RBP79 said:

Perhaps if he starts walking on water???

Hell, I don't know. Ask MeanGreenTexan.

RiseUNT · February 26, 2018

No.

forevereagle · February 27, 2018

If we can get someone to even get Heisman votes, that would be a tremendous achievement. The is a 0% chance that we ever have someone here win the award. The deck is already stacked.

MeanGreen_MBA · February 27, 2018

18 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

To take this a little further...

Case Keenum.

Three 5k-yd years with a Senior year of 5631yds/48TDs/5INTs, leading Houston to a 13-1 record and a final ranking of 18.

The Heisman winner that year? RG-III @ 4293yds/37TDs/6INTs. Keenum, with his video game numbers, finished 6th in Heisman voting.

@DeepGreen, you've received wise counsel. Draw your conclusions accordingly.

Andre Ware from the University of Houston won it in 1989!!! So you say there is a chance?????

Mean Green 93-98 · February 27, 2018

1 hour ago, MeanGreen_MBA said:

Andre Ware from the University of Houston won it in 1989!!! So you say there is a chance?????

Back when Houston was in the SWC. So not really germane to the discussion.

Back to the article, it is an outstanding look at our diminutive superstar. I particularly liked this quote from Graham:

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“Before I got here, I probably would have believed that [a quarterback can be too small] until I saw Mason play,” Harrell said. “You can’t measure intangibles, a kid’s heart, smarts, or his leadership, so with Mason he’s probably changed the way I view quarterbacks. Making guys around you better is the most important job of a quarterback. You don’t have to be 6-foot-4 to make everyone better, and that’s what Mason does.”

Green Crazy · February 27, 2018

jordan lynch of northern illinois finished 3rd in 2013 behind jameis winston and aj mccarron. he threw for 2900 yards and rushed for 1900 yards.

Edited February 27, 2018 by Green Crazy

greenjoe · February 27, 2018

He may not win the Heisman but I bet we win the West.

GO MEAN GREEN

GrayEagle · March 1, 2018

He may not be able to win the Heisman but I believe that he's already on the watch list for the Sammy Baugh Award, which is pretty prestigious in itself.