Wren Baker on Money Games

[Ben Gooding]

1 hour ago, oldguystudent said:

FTFY and probably never. 

So you're intrigued by this 1 and 1? Just checking.  

[oldguystudent]

5 hours ago, Ben Gooding said:

So you're intrigued by this 1 and 1? Just checking.  

Not excited about it, but it doesn't cause enough of a significant detriment to my life for me to expend energy going out every day looking for things to bitch about with the AD.  It just isn't life or death important to me. 

[Ben Gooding]

14 minutes ago, oldguystudent said:

Not excited about it, but it doesn't cause enough of a significant detriment to my life for me to expend energy going out every day looking for things to bitch about with the AD.  It just isn't life or death important to me. 

So, no. 

[oldguystudent]

6 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

So, no. 

Once again, I am bested by your sage wisdom and rapier wit. 

[meangreenJW]

On 2/24/2018 at 12:14 AM, BTG_Fan1 said:

I forgot who, but another CUSA school is playing Liberty and is getting paid 1Million to play Liberty... UNT from what Vito has reported is it’s just a 1 and 1 for UNT...

Yeah Vito did a good job explaining it. ODU was one that got $1.3 million. They are playing the home opener for Liberty's first ever FBS season. 

One more time for the blind and deaf. The decision wasn't on Liberty. The decision was to get out of the Army games. WB and SL didn't think playing Army 6 more times was in the program's best interest. For those of you that don't agree, fine. But that's obviously how our Coach and AD felt. So they wanted out of Army series. There was only ONE (I repeat ONE) school in the country that had those dates available. It was Liberty because they were new to FBS and had to schedule. 

But Liberty knew they were the only school that could take the games. They asked for a home and home to do the deal. UNT was going to have a hard time filling the early part of the Army series they gave up for the same reasons no other schools were available to take the Army series. So they did the deal. And used the new dates to get Houston, CAL and I think a MWC school (but I can't remember which one). 

It's not like our admins did a deal with Liberty free and clear because they found them to be a compelling match-up. At the same time, they pushed Wisconsin back several years. They did it to fix the damn schedule. And get to the model WB tweeted last week. 

Maybe I'm getting forgetful but I swear this board didn't used to beat a dead horse like this issue. It's hijacked dozens of threads. 

[Ben Gooding]

16 minutes ago, meangreenJW said:

Yeah Vito did a good job explaining it. ODU was one that got $1.3 million. They are playing the home opener for Liberty's first ever FBS season. 

One more time for the blind and deaf. The decision wasn't on Liberty. The decision was to get out of the Army games. WB and SL didn't think playing Army 6 more times was in the program's best interest. For those of you that don't agree, fine. But that's obviously how our Coach and AD felt. So they wanted out of Army series. There was only ONE (I repeat ONE) school in the country that had those dates available. It was Liberty because they were new to FBS and had to schedule. 

But Liberty knew they were the only school that could take the games. They asked for a home and home to do the deal. UNT was going to have a hard time filling the early part of the Army series they gave up for the same reasons no other schools were available to take the Army series. So they did the deal. And used the new dates to get Houston, CAL and I think a MWC school (but I can't remember which one). 

It's not like our admins did a deal with Liberty free and clear because they found them to be a compelling match-up. At the same time, they pushed Wisconsin back several years. They did it to fix the damn schedule. And get to the model WB tweeted last week. 

Maybe I'm getting forgetful but I swear this board didn't used to beat a dead horse like this issue. It's hijacked dozens of threads. 

But the decision IS Liberty. BECAUSE THAT'S WHO IS ON THE DAMN SCHEDULE. And do we know, without a single doubt, that Liberty was (AT THE TIME OF SCHEDULING) the ONLY available opponent to fill that slot? AND, to add, even IF it was why tf was it a necessity to go home and home with a CURRENT FCS program. We've went over this and you'll apparently defend this BS forever and always, but there is no denying it was a bad decision. If Liberty was the only viable option (which I don't believe), then you keep Army on the books until something worthwhile comes available. And you never go home and home in this scenario. The chips were stacked in our favor and we go home and home with a FCS East coast program that was THIRSTY for opponents to qualify as an FBS program. And there we went, bending over and grabbing our ankles. 

And this thread is about scheduling. So it's far from a hijack. 

[meangreenJW]

22 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

But the decision IS Liberty. BECAUSE THAT'S WHO IS ON THE DAMN SCHEDULE. And do we know, without a single doubt, that Liberty was (AT THE TIME OF SCHEDULING) the ONLY available opponent to fill that slot? AND, to add, even IF it was why tf was it a necessity to go home and home with a CURRENT FCS program. We've went over this and you'll apparently defend this BS forever and always, but there is no denying it was a bad decision. If Liberty was the only viable option (which I don't believe), then you keep Army on the books until something worthwhile comes available. And you never go home and home in this scenario. The chips were stacked in our favor and we go home and home with a FCS East coast program that was THIRSTY for opponents to qualify as an FBS program. And there we went, bending over and grabbing our ankles. 

And this thread is about scheduling. So it's far from a hijack. 

Hey clown...glad to see you back at it. You basically confirmed my point. That the only point someone can make it they prefer Army over Liberty. SL obviously didn't want to play Army that many times. No one else was coming forward. The games were continuous. The next one was next year! Like do you even read anything about scheduling? It is done years in advance. Sometimes over a decade. 

So by all means be mad that the admin gave in to the coaches wishes to get out of Army. But acting like another option would magically appear is just asinine. And most certainly some of the other games wouldn't have been scheduled (UH, Cal) because some of the dates would have been occupied by Army. 

[Ben Gooding]

32 minutes ago, meangreenJW said:

Hey clown...glad to see you back at it. You basically confirmed my point. That the only point someone can make it they prefer Army over Liberty. SL obviously didn't want to play Army that many times. No one else was coming forward. The games were continuous. The next one was next year! Like do you even read anything about scheduling? It is done years in advance. Sometimes over a decade. 

So by all means be mad that the admin gave in to the coaches wishes to get out of Army. But acting like another option would magically appear is just asinine. And most certainly some of the other games wouldn't have been scheduled (UH, Cal) because some of the dates would have been occupied by Army. 

There are too many holes to poke in this and I'm on a phone. I'll save my thumb muscle for another debate. 

[GMG24]

1 hour ago, Ben Gooding said:

But the decision IS Liberty. BECAUSE THAT'S WHO IS ON THE DAMN SCHEDULE. And do we know, without a single doubt, that Liberty was (AT THE TIME OF SCHEDULING) the ONLY available opponent to fill that slot? AND, to add, even IF it was why tf was it a necessity to go home and home with a CURRENT FCS program. We've went over this and you'll apparently defend this BS forever and always, but there is no denying it was a bad decision. If Liberty was the only viable option (which I don't believe), then you keep Army on the books until something worthwhile comes available. And you never go home and home in this scenario. The chips were stacked in our favor and we go home and home with a FCS East coast program that was THIRSTY for opponents to qualify as an FBS program. And there we went, bending over and grabbing our ankles. 

And this thread is about scheduling. So it's far from a hijack. 

So you want to see our defense and players get gashed for 600 yards on the ground every year? Just checking.  Bc that Army offense is only going to get better.  

[BTG_Fan1]

50 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

So you want to see our defense and players get gashed for 600 yards on the ground every year? Just checking.  Bc that Army offense is only going to get better.  

Thats an improvement from other games this defense played, that they just got run out of the house.

so yes, I would take 600 yards allowed vs a Team that is a national name and solid program compared to Liberty. Also remember, Army is was getting top25 votes, and we beat them and they brought a solid crowd as well.

If I also recall correctly, we go to Liberty first and then they come here in a few years.

Edited February 26, 2018 by BTG_Fan1

[greenminer]

4 minutes ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

so yes, I would take 600 yards allowed vs a Team that is a national name and solid program compared to Liberty. Also remember, Army is was getting top25 votes, and we beat them and they brought a solid crowd as well.

That's logical.  It's also logical to question of having such a beat down is good for the betterment of the program.

I'm sure our program will live on.  IMO The upward swing is more dependent on recruiting and 8+ win seasons than a single win or loss each season.

[GMG24]

34 minutes ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

Thats an improvement from other games this defense played, that they just got run out of the house.

so yes, I would take 600 yards allowed vs a Team that is a national name and solid program compared to Liberty. Also remember, Army is was getting top25 votes, and we beat them and they brought a solid crowd as well.

If I also recall correctly, we go to Liberty first and then they come here in a few years.

What games? For someone who works in AD, you sure find a lot of negative.  Yeah our defense blew this year. We signed 70% of this class to address those issues.  FAU recruited better and had better athletes on campus before we ever showed up.  We've got a long ways to go to catch them. 

I can only remember 1 where I knew no matter what happened we'd couldn't stop the run. ARMY.

Edited February 26, 2018 by GMG24

[BTG_Fan1]

1 hour ago, greenminer said:

That's logical.  It's also logical to question of having such a beat down is good for the betterment of the program.

I'm sure our program will live on.  IMO The upward swing is more dependent on recruiting and 8+ win seasons than a single win or loss each season.

Yes beating down a Liberty team will do so much for UNT when CUSA is likely to have another down year next year. 

Also, Liberty beat Baylor.. UNT lost to Portland St. These games are now guaranteed Ws.

1 hour ago, GMG24 said:

What games? For someone who works in AD, you sure find a lot of negative.  Yeah our defense blew this year. We signed 70% of this class to address those issues.  FAU recruited better and had better athletes on campus before we ever showed up.  We've got a long ways to go to catch them. 

I can only remember 1 where I knew no matter what happened we'd couldn't stop the run. ARMY.

Troy run us out of the building...

We stopped SMU for the first 2 drives and then once they put in the backups backups.. 

FAU beat us down x2, and the first time we gave up a Conference Record, in a conference known for offense.. that alone should have lead to Reff being fired.. 

Next, so now  working in the office doesn’t allow for someone to have an opinion now? I get replacing Army because of the systems they play. BUT UNT replaced Army which was a very solid team that gets Top 25 votes and is a beatable program (for UNT) that also brings in a huge fan base (Believe this years game was 2nd or 3rd largest EVER at Apogee) for Liberty.. I’m going to take a guess and say, I doubt Liberty when they play at Apogee brings 1/4 the fans Army did.. That alone is a huge chunk of change, ontop of playing a likely worse opponent.. If UNT had gotten a million dollars like ODU or so to go play great, but this is a straight 1 for 1 with a worst opponent that brings nothing to the table to get fans out to Apogee.

Edited February 26, 2018 by BTG_Fan1

[oldguystudent]

Because of who they are, what they teach, and what they stand for, I would rather daily don burnt orange and blue and go marching on the steps of the NCAA for the full inclusion of UTSA in the SEC and official recognition of a 1982 national championship for SMU than I would acknowledge Liberty as a legitimate football program.  

I found it interesting that there are some on this board who feel the exact opposite about the school, but that's a topic for the Eagle's Nest of yore when things used to get really ugly and personal.  

I also disagree with some who think that no matter what the AD does, it is an act of defecating floral scented nuggets of pure gold for the embetterment of us all and the glory of UNT.  

I don't like the Liberty series.  At all.  

However, when I've watched how the last three games with Army have gone down, and I see the benefits of future schedules in years to come as a result of getting out of the Army series, I realize that sometimes a department has to take its lumps and accept sacrifice for the overall benefit and long-term growth of the program. 

I believe the team will take a step back in record in 2018, and will be out of divisional contention at least by late October.  I believe the defense will still suck.  I believe Mason Fine and his corps of receivers will put up video game numbers.  I believe the selection of beer flavors in Apogee will be mediocre at best.  I believe that my tickets will get inappropriately scanned by overzealous yellow jackets at every game, leaving me to have humorous conversations about it with the gray jackets at the club entrance.  I believe that no matter what, people will bitch about the bands, their uniforms, and the choice of team uniforms.  I believe in the small of a woman's back...the hangin' curveball, high fiber, good scotch...that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent crap...I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.  I believe that there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter.  I believe in the sweet spot, soft core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.  

And none of that -- not one iota of it, is going to cause my blood pressure to rise or make me indulge the constant, never give up, Sisyphean efforts of those who believe that they must constantly verbally lambast the department, the coaches, the players, other fans, and most of all, the students because gosh darn it, they want it THEIR way -- they want UNT to be Alabama...today...without having to make any particular contribution or effort of their own except behind the wizard's curtain of a semi-anonymous keyboard on a message board that a select few who ain't goin' anywhere nohow read.

[97and03]

Slow clap?

[BTG_Fan1]

Teams are still filling for this current season that could have replaced Liberty 

[GrandGreen]

Endless debate, scheduling is something an AD can never satisfy even a majority of the fans.  

I doubt any posters knows what was available or not in scheduling.  I didn't like adding Liberty to the schedule as a one and one.     Liberty was and is a program with money desperate for games against FBS schools.  It seems NT could have got a much better opponent or at least a better deal in scheduling Liberty.  

[UNTLifer]

21 hours ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

Teams are still filling for this current season that could have replaced Liberty 

Would they fit the specific date in our schedule that was open when we finished off the Army series?

[MeanGreenDadx2]

23 hours ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

Teams are still filling for this current season that could have replaced Liberty 

Maybe North Carolina and/or UCF are looking to keep their travel costs down.